The dragon is the second beast in Revelation 13

[Revelation Man]

On 8/31/2020 at 8:46 AM, luigi said:

In Revelation 16:13 we see three unclean spirits who come to battle at Armageddon, the dragon, beast, and the false prophet, a.k.a., the Antichrist. Likewise, in Revelation 13:1-8 we have mention of the dragon, the beast, and the beasts mouth, a.k.a. the Antichrist, who is the false prophet in Revelation 16:13. After these three entities descriptions, we then have another description in Revelation 13:11 of another beast coming out of the earth, having two horns like a lamb, who speaks like a dragon. With these descriptions we then either have a fourth entity in the equation, or the other beast who speaks like a dragon, is the dragon. Since only three come to battle at Armageddon, the beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13:11, would therefore be the dragon. As such we then can recognize that all the criteria following in Revelation 13:12-18 is set forth by the dragon, a.k.a. Satan.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

You have chased your own tail here and gotten confused.

The Dragon is Satan, thus hes a Spirit, thus he will have NO MOUTH. Hes the POWER that gives the seat to the Beast with a mouth as Revelation 13 clearly says, thus the Anti-Christ is the Little Horn with the mouth via Daniel 7. It simply means the LAST KING/Kingdom, but this kingdom will never have a successor, thus hes a LITTLE HORN (Power) not a Nation per se. DESCRIPTION BELOW:

Beast Kingdom = Babylon/Rome = Great Power who ruled for years.

Little Horn = Anti-Christ/Beast Power that is ONE MAN who rules for 3.5 years as the Beast. 

Now that the Beast of Rev. 13 with the MOUTH is settled, lets move on the the 2nd Beast. He is the False Prophet, thus he looks like a Lamb (like a Religious man......hes a Jewish High Priest) but speaks like a Dragon. Hes a Jewish High Priest who serves under the Anti-Christ and thus is in league with Satan/the Dragon. He is placed as THE AUTHORITY (POWER OVER.........Beasting over) over the Worshiping of the Anti-Christ. Doubt that? LOOK BELOW:

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth(Israel); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

This man is placed over Religion, he DEMANDS all men Worship the Beast and his Image or DIE. He will be a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason who was placed as the High Priest under Antiochus, he then tried to "HELLENIZE" the Jews, leading to the Maccabean Revolt !! Jason's real name was Yeshua, he bribed Antiochus to be named the High Priest, thereby having his Pious High Priest brother, Onias III killed in the process. 

The False Prophet is thus a BEAST over Religion. 

The Scarlet Colored Beast of Revelation 17 is a Demon Principality named Apollyon, he was placed over the whole Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan. Thus hes of THE SEVEN...........But he is an 8th in that hes a king of the Bottomless Pit. 

Four Beasts. Two Demons and Two Humans. This is why only two are cast straight into hell..........The Anti-Christ and False Prophet.

 

[luigi]

On 9/3/2020 at 7:38 PM, Revelation Man said:

You have chased your own tail here and gotten confused.

The Dragon is Satan, thus hes a Spirit, thus he will have NO MOUTH. Hes the POWER that gives the seat to the Beast with a mouth as Revelation 13 clearly says, thus the Anti-Christ is the Little Horn with the mouth via Daniel 7. It simply means the LAST KING/Kingdom, but this kingdom will never have a successor, thus hes a LITTLE HORN (Power) not a Nation per se. DESCRIPTION BELOW:

Beast Kingdom = Babylon/Rome = Great Power who ruled for years.

Little Horn = Anti-Christ/Beast Power that is ONE MAN who rules for 3.5 years as the Beast. 

Now that the Beast of Rev. 13 with the MOUTH is settled, lets move on the the 2nd Beast. He is the False Prophet, thus he looks like a Lamb (like a Religious man......hes a Jewish High Priest) but speaks like a Dragon. Hes a Jewish High Priest who serves under the Anti-Christ and thus is in league with Satan/the Dragon. He is placed as THE AUTHORITY (POWER OVER.........Beasting over) over the Worshiping of the Anti-Christ. Doubt that? LOOK BELOW:

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth(Israel); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

 

I know the dragon is Satan. I also believe the 2nd beast who rises from the land with two horns like a lamb, but who speaks like a dragon to be Satan, and not a fourth entity. If the dragon vests the beast with his power, causing the world to worship the beast in Revelation 13:4, then this is the same as the 2nd beast who speaks like a dragon who causes the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

[Leonardo Von]

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The dragon is the second beast in Revelation 13

There are four beasts in Revelation. The dragon is the first.

[Faith-Not-Fear]

On 9/1/2020 at 6:35 PM, Dennis1209 said:

My understanding is, Revelation 13: 1-10 is describing the Beast [Antichrist]. He comes up out of the "sea"; the 'sea' generally represents gentile nations, and a distance away from the center and attention of the world, Israel. Revelation 13: 11-17 is no doubt taking about "the False Prophet" [Rev. 16:13, 19:20, 20:10]. This False Prophet is said to come "out of the earth". Very interesting, could this mean its someone from Hades being brought up? 

Satan always mimics God in everything, we see the un-holy trinity in Revelation [Satan - Antichrist - False Prophet], all kinds of miracles, signs and wonders they will perform. If our Lord resurrects 'two witnesses' to preach the Gospel in Jerusalem, we can be sure Satan will be a copy cat. 

Something I find very interesting, and I'm not drawing any conclusions. Only 'two' people in the Bible are called and named "the son of perdition", Judas Iscariot and the Antichrist. Judas is the only person in the Bible that is said "that he might go to his own place". Strange and exactly where and what is his own place?

John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. [emphasis added]

Acts 1:25 (KJV) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. [emphasis added]

This un-holy trinity will have lots of help, unclean frogs (spirits), Abaddon / Apollyon, demon's, locusts from Hell that have a King, the princes and powers of the air. Stephen King could not create a horror movie on how bad this period of time is going to be. 

Are you a NTEB listener? He is the first person I have heard teach about Judas & the antichrist called the son of perdition. 

[Diaste]

On 8/31/2020 at 7:46 AM, luigi said:

In Revelation 16:13 we see three unclean spirits who come to battle at Armageddon, the dragon, beast, and the false prophet, a.k.a., the Antichrist.

Well, we see three unclean spirits go out to gather the kings of the earth to battle at Armageddon. In the specific verse we don't see the unclean spirits battle, they gather by signs, we don't see them identified as the dragon, the beast and the FP, we see them come out of the dragon, the beast and the FP.

 

On 8/31/2020 at 7:46 AM, luigi said:

 

Likewise, in Revelation 13:1-8 we have mention of the dragon, the beast, and the beasts mouth, a.k.a. the Antichrist, who is the false prophet in Revelation 16:13.

I'm not sure which 'likewise' you're using here. Do mean that 'likewise it's written in Revelation'? I don't see the introduction in Rev 13 having anything to do with 16:13 beyond the mention of the same three entities. Rev 16:13 is about the evil spirits that gather the kings of the earth to battle.

How are you concluding the mouth of the beast to be another entity from "The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words,"? The Greek 'stoma' is a body part or breath or as in this case it means powerful rhetoric, not a living being.

On 8/31/2020 at 7:46 AM, luigi said:

 

After these three entities descriptions, we then have another description in Revelation 13:11 of another beast coming out of the earth, having two horns like a lamb, who speaks like a dragon. With these descriptions we then either have a fourth entity in the equation, or the other beast who speaks like a dragon, is the dragon. Since only three come to battle at Armageddon, the beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13:11, would therefore be the dragon. As such we then can recognize that all the criteria following in Revelation 13:12-18 is set forth by the dragon, a.k.a. Satan.

 Speaks like a dragon is a simile. Anytime you see 'like a' or 'as a' it's a simile. It's a comparison to the manner of speech of a dragon as an attribute of the 2nd beasts words and speech; it's not a positive ID.

But I agree that it's all set forth by the dragon as allowed by the Most High God since the authority is ultimately granted by God to the dragon who abuses that authority and empowers his vile compatriots.

 

On 8/31/2020 at 7:46 AM, luigi said:

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

"Israels dead men shall rise, together with my dead body shall they arise."

"And on that day the Lord with His strong and severe sword [His mouth]
shall slay Leviathan, and He shall punish the Dragon."

Isaiah 26:19 - 27:1.  Resurrections, and the slaying of two beasts.

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Ezekiel 37:9-10
Come from the four winds Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live,
and they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.

Matthew 24:31
He shall send forth His angels with a great sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds
 

Both passages are speaking about actual resurrection.
Both passages are speaking about the same resurrection event.

There is only 1 great resurrection of the righteous.
Throughout the Bible all the prophecies about resurrection
are clearly speaking about that 1 same day.

Ezekiel 37:1-14 Resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-28 Reign
Ezekiel 38 and 39 Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 Resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 Reign
Revelation 20:7-10 Gog and Magog

 

The Lord shall utter His voice before His army. Joel 2:11

In flaming fire taking vengeance... When the Lord shall come to be glorified in His saints. 2 Thess 1:7-10

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

The marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready...

The armies in the sky followed Him upon white horses [Joel 2:4]

And the beast and false prophet were captured,
these both were thrown alive into a lake burning with fire and brimestone
and the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse
which sword proceeded from His mouth,
and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 19:7-21

Verses 20-21 denoting that the beast and false prophet ultimately culminate as two people.

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We know from Ezekiel 37:9-10 that the gathering from the four winds results in an 'exceedingly great army'  
thereby we can conclude that the army in Revelation 19 is that army of resurrected saints,
we are caught up to be literally in the air, in the clouds,
as part of the army arriving with Christ to do doom on all flesh.
Also because of Isaiah we know to put resurrections together with the two beasts being slain,
all the prophecy fits together very nicely and explains itself.

Isaiah 26:19 Resurrections.
Isaiah 27:1 Two beasts slain.

Revelation 19:7-19 Marriage of the Lamb, Resurrections.
Revelation 19:20-21 Two beasts slain.

 

 

The beast as a whole is a kingdom, with seven major kings and ten minor kings. [Rev 17:8-12]
One of the major kings will seem to die and be healed from death, [Rev 13:3]
and then at that point is himself called a beast.
The false prophet will deceive the world into worship of that wounded healed king.

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, Faith-Not-Fear said:

Are you a NTEB listener? He is the first person I have heard teach about Judas & the antichrist called the son of perdition. 

Good morning,

What is the acronym NTEB? 

No one knows who the Antichrist is until he is revealed. According to scripture, he is a physical human being, backed by Satan himself. The "son of perdition" said another way, "the son of damnation", is only used of Satan and Judas Iscariot [John 17:12 & 2 Thess. 2:3]. I find it a little odd these are the only two with that title / destination [damnation]. 

By this example, one has to surmise there has to be some sort of relationship between the two, other than their destinations?  On the other hand, perhaps it is just as simple as that, their eternal destination?

[iamlamad]

On 8/31/2020 at 8:46 AM, luigi said:

In Revelation 16:13 we see three unclean spirits who come to battle at Armageddon, the dragon, beast, and the false prophet, a.k.a., the Antichrist. Likewise, in Revelation 13:1-8 we have mention of the dragon, the beast, and the beasts mouth, a.k.a. the Antichrist, who is the false prophet in Revelation 16:13. After these three entities descriptions, we then have another description in Revelation 13:11 of another beast coming out of the earth, having two horns like a lamb, who speaks like a dragon. With these descriptions we then either have a fourth entity in the equation, or the other beast who speaks like a dragon, is the dragon. Since only three come to battle at Armageddon, the beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13:11, would therefore be the dragon. As such we then can recognize that all the criteria following in Revelation 13:12-18 is set forth by the dragon, a.k.a. Satan.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

You are mistaken. Plain and simple. The two Beasts are MEN. But soon after the first beast enters the temple and declares he is God, he becomes possessed by the Dragon and turns into the Antichrist Beast: a MAN possessed by a spirit - nothing new there. The same thing happened to Judas.

The two men are cast into the lake of fire at Armageddon. The Dragon is cast in after the thousand years.

 

[luigi]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Well, we see three unclean spirits go out to gather the kings of the earth to battle at Armageddon. In the specific verse we don't see the unclean spirits battle, they gather by signs, we don't see them identified as the dragon, the beast and the FP, we see them come out of the dragon, the beast and the FP.

 

I'm not sure which 'likewise' you're using here. Do mean that 'likewise it's written in Revelation'? I don't see the introduction in Rev 13 having anything to do with 16:13 beyond the mention of the same three entities. Rev 16:13 is about the evil spirits that gather the kings of the earth to battle. 

How are you concluding the mouth of the beast to be another entity from "The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words,"? The Greek 'stoma' is a body part or breath or as in this case it means powerful rhetoric, not a living being.

 Speaks like a dragon is a simile. Anytime you see 'like a' or 'as a' it's a simile. It's a comparison to the manner of speech of a dragon as an attribute of the 2nd beasts words and speech; it's not a positive ID.

But I agree that it's all set forth by the dragon as allowed by the Most High God since the authority is ultimately granted by God to the dragon who abuses that authority and empowers his vile compatriots.

 

 

Hi Diaste, A false prophet prophesies of great things to come. The beasts mouth in Revelation 13, and Daniel 7, speaks great things. It is therefore logical that the great words coming from the beasts mouth are those of the false prophet.

To me there are three entities in Revelation 13, the dragon, the beast, and the beasts mouth who I recognize as the false prophet in Revelation 16. While some say there is also a fourth entity, the second beast who speaks like a dragon; I understand this one who speaks like a dragon to be the dragon (Satan) within that individual. If there were not the case, then the three entities, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet who show up at Armageddon in Revelation 16, would exclude the beasts mouth, along with the second beast who speaks like a dragon in Revelation 13. 

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The mouth who speaks blasphemously is basically a carnally minded individual who has total irreverence for things spiritual, and thus speaks of great material things to come to the carnally inclined.

 

[luigi]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are mistaken. Plain and simple. The two Beasts are MEN. But soon after the first beast enters the temple and declares he is God, he becomes possessed by the Dragon and turns into the Antichrist Beast: a MAN possessed by a spirit - nothing new there. The same thing happened to Judas.

The two men are cast into the lake of fire at Armageddon. The Dragon is cast in after the thousand years.

 

I agree with you that the second beast who speaks like a dragon is an individual who is possessed by the dragon Satan. The first beast, however, of seven heads and ten horns in Revelation 13, who is the ten headed beast in Daniel 7, is the fourth kingdom on the earth, who devours the whole earth. This beast kingdom can therefore not be a single individual. 

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The beasts mouth who speaks of great things to come In Revelation 13 and in Daniel 7, I also recognize as a single individual, who along with the dragon and the beast in Revelation 16, is described as the false prophet, which is yet another alias for the Antichrist.