What is the "Apostasy" mentioned at 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

[DeighAnn]

John 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

John 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

John 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? MINE HOUR IS NOT YET COME

SPEAKING ON THE MARRIAGE OF CHRIST 

Not a pre trib believer?  Then you have no questions as to EXACTLY WHEN is being spoken of or meant here.  What is written is what you believe.  No "return or coming" to have to choose from.  Just like every day the Day of the Lord or the return of Christ or the second advent or the returning in like manner, or the resurrection of the dead and those alive and remaining are changed or ANYTHING that has to do with the return of the Lord.  Super SIMPLE, 


God doesn't leave it up to you to "figure out" while He never gives not one direct word on the subject.  No, If He is coming or returning it is once and it is with armies and those who have slept and in the clouds,  and gathering and all the rest,  NEVER A GUESS, never need to add or subtract or alter or explain, Gods Word does all that.  




Believe in pre trib?  You will just have to just guess, I guess, or go to mans wisdom to have them tell you what "when" is REALLY meant here and everywhere else.  With out "a man" explaining it to you, how would one ever figure it out ?    



 

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.


 

Isaiah 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

 Isaiah 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

Isaiah 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
 

Not a pre trib believer?  Then you have no questions as to EXACTLY WHEN is meant.  What is written is what you believe.  
Christ came once as Saviour, He is returning as Lord of Lords and King of Kings on the day of vengeance and to them who have over come and not taken the mark of the beast and endured to the end He will comfort and appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.


 

Believe in pre trib?  You will just have to just guess again, I guess, or go to "mans wisdom" to have them tell you what and whom is REALLY meant here and seeing as how you would not have "endured to the end" none of this applies, unless the "meanings" of words have been "altered" already by some man.     Mans wisdom will also have to tell you who is mourning and who is receiving beauty for ashes, and who will receive the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that He might be glorified.  

[Diaste]

On 11/27/2020 at 8:39 AM, Revelation Man said:

Good excuse. 

There is no reason to beat to death the meaning of 'day' and the age of creation.

If a person can't discern the truth here it's an endless, fruitless undertaking.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because lawlessness(against Gods laws) shall abound,
the love of many shall grow cold." Matthew 24:11-12

The great falling away from the faith.

A falling away from Gods laws, and from the specific teachings of Christ.

 

[TheBlade]

 it is "departure".  Not some view. Its really ok because one can still make that verse agree to our personal view/belief. That is one of the meanings of that word. To say that verse ONLY means.. would be unwise. 

Not many know ancient Greek in this world. They have said it can also mean "departure". Again very unwise to just cast that aside. Like I said.. its ok if one does not believe in caught up before tribulation you can still say "It really means departure form the faith". See? Feel better? I have no problem how some say it. For THEY don't have no say in when Christ come for us. I am ready now thats what matters to me. 

And Satan will never ever be given power over me. Christ won't be leaving nor the  Holy Spirit. So God will not give him power over me to subdue me or kill me. For I have all power all authority over Him. Over ever demon and fallen angels. Christ in ME. I see that does not get talked about. What was is what will be happening after the Church is gone. Then Satan that can not come out now.. something is gone and not holding the lawless one back any more. Odd huh.. can't come out now at all. But.. when something that has the power to keep him back is taken out of the way.. then and only then does he come out in the open.

Remember this is about Israel and God. 

[Diaste]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:44 PM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because lawlessness(against Gods laws) shall abound,
the love of many shall grow cold." Matthew 24:11-12

The great falling away from the faith.

A falling away from Gods laws, and from the specific teachings of Christ.

 

And....

"1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;" 1 Tim 4

" 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" 2 Tim 4

[luigi]

On 11/7/2020 at 6:04 PM, BibleReader said:

2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3 (NASB):  "Regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. . .No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction."  

What is the apostasy that comes first?  

Please choose one of the following:

A)  The apostasy described by Jesus in his illustration of the wheat and the weeds in which Satan sowed weeds (imitation Christians) after the death of the apostles which now results in false Christians and teachings. (Matthew 13:24:30, 36-42)  

B)  It is the same as the apostasy described in Daniel 11:30-32 and is yet future.  

C)  It is a great falling away from the one true church that will take place in the future.  

D) Something else.  (If you choose this option, please elaborate, thanks in advance)

 

 

 

D) Something else. Since having faith in Christ is to believe in the Spiritual virtues the Lord espoused, people who then attend hate rallies (which is the opposite of loving your neighbor) in effect are become apostates to the faith of Christ.

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 11/7/2020 at 4:04 PM, BibleReader said:

2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3 (NASB):  "Regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. . .No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction."  

What is the apostasy that comes first?  

Please choose one of the following:

A)  The apostasy described by Jesus in his illustration of the wheat and the weeds in which Satan sowed weeds (imitation Christians) after the death of the apostles which now results in false Christians and teachings. (Matthew 13:24:30, 36-42)  

B)  It is the same as the apostasy described in Daniel 11:30-32 and is yet future.  

C)  It is a great falling away from the one true church that will take place in the future.  

D) Something else.  (If you choose this option, please elaborate, thanks in advance)

 

 

 

First of all, what if your options for this [apostasy] is incorrect?   What if it isn't about what the [Church] and the Followers of Christ do, but what if it is about an "Event?"  What if this is speaking when the Antichrist sets himself up in the Temple of God, proclaiming to be God, and when he offers the [[UNCLEAN OFFERING]] this sets off the coming event of Christ's return?

 

If anything, your Scripture reference clearly proves POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE!

[Leonardo Von]

On 11/7/2020 at 8:04 PM, BibleReader said:

What is the apostasy that comes first?  

Good question. After all, it isn't "any" apostasy, but "the" apostasy. I believe that it is to use the Holy Scripture to deny Jesus Christ with His holiness and purity, and acclaim the antichrist:

2Pe 2:1 ->  "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who secretly will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.".

 

[Diaste]

On 7/9/2021 at 12:20 PM, Leonardo Von said:

Good question. After all, it isn't "any" apostasy, but "the" apostasy. I believe that it is to use the Holy Scripture to deny Jesus Christ with His holiness and purity, and acclaim the antichrist:

2Pe 2:1 ->  "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who secretly will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.".

 

Yes. It is 'the' apostasy. I wonder just what makes it 'the one'? Is it a special type? Is it large as in lots of people? Is it 'the' apostasy because of the timing? 

Tongue in cheek I have proposed it's on the airwaves like advertisements for a rock concert or major sporting event.

No one can seem to answer what sets it apart from any other 'apostasy'.

[Leonardo Von]

On 7/22/2021 at 6:14 AM, Diaste said:

Yes. It is 'the' apostasy. I wonder just what makes it 'the one'? Is it a special type?

Thinking about this, I concluded that the working of error (2Th 2:11) is the false resurrection of the seventh head of the sea beast (Rev 13:3) which will eliminate any doubt in the heart of those whose name isn't written in the book of life. 

From this moment they will believe blindly that the antichrist is the Christ (the greatest of all apostasies, which is mentioned here ).