The flood when?

[luigi]

We are all aware of the flood in the book of Genesis that supposedly occurred many millennia back; but according to the book of Enoch this global flood is due to occur in the future. 

I was reading in Isaiah 14:14-22 how Babylon through its socioeconomic consumptive policies will have made the world a wilderness, and how the Lord will then terminate Babylon and its policies, when I noticed a correlation with the termination of those destroying the earth in Enoch XLVIII:10. I decided to verify if these were the same, and so I continued reading through Enoch XLVIII and later chapters for further data. The first thing that appeared is that the Lord Jesus who is referred to as the Elect one in Enoch has returned to the earth and great wisdom is poured out like water upon the faithful, which in their hearts has replaced the consumptive system destroying the earth, that still continues to some degree among the faithless. The faithless nations who continue in their ways of Satan are described as being in a burning furnace (probably in reference to consumptive industry), when the Lord Omnipotent (described as the Lord of Spirits), decides to take vengeance on the faithless nations (LIV:6). It is at this point when in LIV:7, where the waters from the heavens above, along with the waters from beneath the earth (scientifically estimated to be somewhere around 10 times all surface waters combined), commence to flood the earth, destroying the faithless.

In LV:1, The Head of Days (another reference to the Lord Omnipotent) then repents for His having destroyed the earth, and swears that He will never again destroy the earth by flood; just like in Genesis 9:11.

[OneLight]

Genesis 9:11

Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.

[Guest]

Enoch is part of Scripture. Period.

[luigi]

Enoch 1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. 2. And he took up this parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.

[Guest]

Again, Enoch is not Scriptural. The book is not GOD inspired.

[Alive]

We believe that the Lord Himself made sure that the canon His Church has available is precisely what He intended us to have.

This is essential. Essential that we all agree on this.

It is also clear that NT writers read enoch (or what is called enoch) and quoted it. Those guys read lots of stuff including the Greek philosophers.

This does not make it scripture and all to be taken with a salt grain and measured with and by scripture.

The LOrd gave us we we need essential to salvation and learning about Him.

The rest can be some fun and interesting, but can also be a distraction....rabbit hole.

:-)

[JohnD]

Jude quotes from the book of Enoch, Paul quoted from the Athenian philosophers in his Mars Hill sermon.

Doesn't make the entire book of Enoch or the philosophy of the Athenians scriptural / canonical.

For that matter, most of humanity gets most of scripture wrong by their misinterpretations of what actually IS

canonical.

[TheBlade]

7 hours ago, Katie Müller said:

2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

The earth will be burned up, not flooded. Enoch isn't scriptural. I've looked at the Book of Enoch before and the one issue I had was its emphasis on angels and watchers, giving them more power than is reasonable for them to have. For example, I'll just go to the beginning of Enoch:

And then Michael, Gabriel, Suriel and Uriel, looked down from Heaven, and saw the mass of blood that was being shed on the Earth, and all the iniquity that was being done on the Earth And they said to one another: "Let the devastated Earth cry out with the sound of their cries unto the Gate of Heaven. . . . And You know everything, before it happens, and You know this, and what concerns each of them. But You say nothing to us. What ought we to do with them, about this?"
 

Why would an angel challenge God in this manner? It's one thing to cry out to the Lord, it's another for them to say 'What ought we to do with them'.

"And these are the names of the Holy Angels who keep Watch. Uriel, one of the Holy Angels; namely the Angel of thunder and earthquakes. Raphael, one of the Holy Angels; namely the Angel of the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the Holy Angels; who takes vengeance on the world, and on the lights. Michael, one of the Holy Angels; namely the one put in charge of the best part of mankind, in charge of the nation. Saraqael, one of the Holy Angels; who is in charge of the spirits of men who cause the spirits to sin. Gabriel, one of the Holy Angels; who is in charge of the Serpents, and the Garden, and the Cherubim."
 

This sounds a lot like polytheism. Angels are messengers; they receive orders, they have their jobs and their duties and those jobs and duties may change over time. To have so many angels named and be in charge of something, is alarming to me. Demons are angels: fallen angels. The Book of Enoch is either a demonic-work of literature or it was simply someone with a vivid imagination, whose work of fiction has been taken too literal.

Rev. 22:8-9 And I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Holy angels don't bring attention to themselves. Anyone who has had an encounter with angels also knows this. Angels are fellow servants with us. They wouldn't so brazenly go to God as Enoch recounts. The angels mentioned in the book of Enoch are not holy. And they didn't breed with women!



 

Its true the book/books of Enoch which we don't know what he wrote..all or parts. Angels help.. bring messages from God...as for how man and the ranks and what ALL do.. no one knows..its not written and I am not going to speculate.  They seem to have free choice as we do since Satan and 1/3 fell with him and did infact mix with women. They "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" "There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

Anyway yes no more flood God gave His word. Seems fire is next..how when no clue..but left up to man? This world is gone.. praise GOD He shorten the time because of us...for us. 

[luigi]

19 hours ago, Katie Müller said:

2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

The earth will be burned up, not flooded. Enoch isn't scriptural. I've looked at the Book of Enoch before and the one issue I had was its emphasis on angels and watchers, giving them more power than is reasonable for them to have. For example, I'll just go to the beginning of Enoch:

And then Michael, Gabriel, Suriel and Uriel, looked down from Heaven, and saw the mass of blood that was being shed on the Earth, and all the iniquity that was being done on the Earth And they said to one another: "Let the devastated Earth cry out with the sound of their cries unto the Gate of Heaven. . . . And You know everything, before it happens, and You know this, and what concerns each of them. But You say nothing to us. What ought we to do with them, about this?"
 

Why would an angel challenge God in this manner? It's one thing to cry out to the Lord, it's another for them to say 'What ought we to do with them'.

"And these are the names of the Holy Angels who keep Watch. Uriel, one of the Holy Angels; namely the Angel of thunder and earthquakes. Raphael, one of the Holy Angels; namely the Angel of the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the Holy Angels; who takes vengeance on the world, and on the lights. Michael, one of the Holy Angels; namely the one put in charge of the best part of mankind, in charge of the nation. Saraqael, one of the Holy Angels; who is in charge of the spirits of men who cause the spirits to sin. Gabriel, one of the Holy Angels; who is in charge of the Serpents, and the Garden, and the Cherubim."
 

This sounds a lot like polytheism. Angels are messengers; they receive orders, they have their jobs and their duties and those jobs and duties may change over time. To have so many angels named and be in charge of something, is alarming to me. Demons are angels: fallen angels. The Book of Enoch is either a demonic-work of literature or it was simply someone with a vivid imagination, whose work of fiction has been taken too literal.

Rev. 22:8-9 And I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Holy angels don't bring attention to themselves. Anyone who has had an encounter with angels also knows this. Angels are fellow servants with us. They wouldn't so brazenly go to God as Enoch recounts. The angels mentioned in the book of Enoch are not holy. And they didn't breed with women!



 

Timing Katie Miller,

Yes the world will be burned up, but that is to occur following the millennium reign, when Satan is let loose, and the whole world follows him to the encampment of the saints in Jerusalem. Prior to this burning of the earth, other environmentally destructive plagues are to occur, as those in Revelation 8 & 16.

The Thwaites glacier in Antarctica (also referred to as the doomsday glacier) is expected to break away in the next five years. Once it does, all the ice it is currently buttressing is expected to soon follow into the sea. Once all this occurs, sea levels are expected to rise anywhere from 3 feet to 10 feet. While this may not be the flood in the bible, I still wouldn't want to own any low lying seaside property soon.

[other one]

20 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Again, Enoch is not Scriptural. The book is not GOD inspired.

that doesn't mean it isn't true.