The alive and remaining are changed - doesn't that mean all the rest died?

[angels4u]

9 hours ago, Josheb said:

I won't be left behind if Jesus comes tomorrow. I am not waiting a the work of men to be accomplished before he returns. My eschatology permits him to come any time, even though I believe the gospel will continue to be successful as long as he tarries. I am not waiting on nations to be restored, temples to be built, animals to be worthlessly slaughtered, wars to be wages, or the Church to become impotent and in need of rescue. I am about my Father's business empowered by the shed blood of His Son and the sanctifying, inspiring, and empowering work of His Spirit. 

I am not following a 200-year line of teachers who forever predict his return only to prove themselves false teachers. Been there. Done that. Read my Bible. Not doing it any longer. Jesus comes tomorrow then I am ready. It's a huge irony some wait for temples nations and temples and slaughter and kingdoms because they delay his coming - apparently not realizing that is a works-based salvation. 

Neither will I be disappointed if he does not come tomorrow, or next week, next month, next year, decade, or score because He has given me plenty to do. 

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;  not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

Saved by grace.
Saved through faith (not by faith).
Saved, being created in Christ for good works. 

 

Works are the purpose, not the cause, of our salvation. Every single one of us has plenty to do and waiting for the destruction of the world is not one of them. If you did not do so already, go read that op to which I linked you on the compromising of core Christian doctrine. 

So,if we're living in the Millennial now, what makes this world attractive? Or don't you believe in the Millennial at all?

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Josheb said:

I won't be left behind if Jesus comes tomorrow. I am not waiting a the work of men to be accomplished before he returns. My eschatology permits him to come any time, even though I believe the gospel will continue to be successful as long as he tarries. I am not waiting on nations to be restored, temples to be built, animals to be worthlessly slaughtered, wars to be wages, or the Church to become impotent and in need of rescue. I am about my Father's business empowered by the shed blood of His Son and the sanctifying, inspiring, and empowering work of His Spirit. 

I am not following a 200-year line of teachers who forever predict his return only to prove themselves false teachers. Been there. Done that. Read my Bible. Not doing it any longer. Jesus comes tomorrow then I am ready. It's a huge irony some wait for temples nations and temples and slaughter and kingdoms because they delay his coming - apparently not realizing that is a works-based salvation. 

Neither will I be disappointed if he does not come tomorrow, or next week, next month, next year, decade, or score because He has given me plenty to do. 

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;  not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

Saved by grace.
Saved through faith (not by faith).
Saved, being created in Christ for good works. 

 

Works are the purpose, not the cause, of our salvation. Every single one of us has plenty to do and waiting for the destruction of the world is not one of them. If you did not do so already, go read that op to which I linked you on the compromising of core Christian doctrine. 

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

If you are LOOKING for His coming, EXPECTING Him, then you will not be left behind. 

If you are expecting Him tomorrow, it will not be because you are following 200 years of man made expectations. You would be following Paul. He wrote FAR longer than 200 years ago. 

Martin Luther could not have said it better! Good job!

 

[George]

10 hours ago, Josheb said:

Never happened. 

I have no disdain for the Jewish people. I was referencing scripture.

Honestly, your rebuttal to whether the Jewish Rabbis being "dispensational" in explaining the 7 day creation to a world cycle of 7,000 years was ... they're lost and God doesn't care about what they think ... sorry it's a bit insensitive.  The reality is that God has a plan for the restoration of the Jewish people ... just as He has a plan to reach every nation, tribe and tongue.  I asked you to pray about it ... because that's exactly how I read that post, your insensitivity to their plight of a world without their Messiah. 

[George]

19 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Anyone can go through scripture and compare the last days scriptures with the last day scriptures, and anyone can do the same with this age (the age in which Jesus appeared) and the age to come.

God spends 9 CHAPTERS (Ezekiel 40-48) detailing a Temple ... and specifically states in 2 places that God is establishing a Temple whereby all men will know truth.

Isa 2:1  The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 

Isa 2:2  It shall come to pass in the latter days (literally in the END OF THE DAYS -- acharyit ha-yamim in Hebrew) that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it, 

Isa 2:3  and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 

Isa 2:4  He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. 

Isa 2:5  O house of Jacob, come, let us walk in the light of the LORD. 

Again in Micah ...

Mic 4:1  It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and it shall be lifted up above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it, 

Mic 4:2  and many nations shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 

Mic 4:3  He shall judge between many peoples, and shall decide disputes for strong nations far away; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore; 

Mic 4:4  but they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid, for the mouth of the LORD of hosts has spoken. 

Mic 4:5  For all the peoples walk each in the name of its god, but we will walk in the name of the LORD our God forever and ever. 

Perhaps instead of dismissing huge portions of Scripture ... one should STUDY out WHY?  PURPOSE?  How does it fit into God's plan? 

 

[George]

11 hours ago, Josheb said:

I am not waiting on nations to be restored, temples to be built, animals to be worthlessly slaughtered, wars to be wages, or the Church to become impotent and in need of rescue.

Honestly, if you took the time to STUDY out the KINGDOM message it was CENTRAL to Jesus' teachings!

Luk 4:43  but he said to them, “I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns as well; for I was sent for this purpose.” 

Act 1:3  He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God. 

 

Act 1:6  So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 

Act 1:7  He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 

When someone UNDERSTANDS the totality of the Kingdom message ... it's more than simply salvation ... then one truly grabs hold of the message of God!

[Alive]

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

There are spiritual forces at work in the world and we wrestle against the spiritual forces of evil every day..

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

 

Yes--we are to be watchful and to know his wiles as well as the dictates of our own flesh, which is more likely to trip us up. Do you believe the enemy can devour one who is 'In Christ'. I hope not, for many reasons.

[George]

For those who've not read this was a study on the Kingdom.

It may be enlightening to those who are interested.

[George]

@Josheb Do you think I'm being abusive?   Because I asked you to study out the message of the KINGDOM from my perspective?  Amazing! 

[George]

Just now, Josheb said:

And what does the New Testament say about these passages?

Does the Old Testament no longer count as Scripture?

[Last Daze]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

The Return of Jesus

"4On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south"

This dovetails nicely with this:

• And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were watching, and a cloud took Him up, out of their sight.  And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, then behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them, and they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.” Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mountain called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey away.   Acts 1: 9-12

The disciples watched Jesus ascend from the Mount of Olives.  The angles there said He would return in the same way He left which fits perfectly with the scripture you quoted from Zechariah.

There is no evidence that such an event has taken place.