Faith

[TheBlade]

Might have helped to explain just what faith is. Seems some really don't know. And there are times with faith what you do.. can also be faith. For if we are calling those things that be not as though they were and when we pray what we desire believe you receive them you shall have them. In some cases how you act since you already received it..by faith  Best to stop here

[Ancient]

On 4/27/2022 at 9:52 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

In this case I own you an apology.

Hope that settles it.

Much respect to you.

Shalom

Edited April 28, 2022 by Ancient

[steve morrow]

YES ; YES ; YES

IS  NOT  BEING  FAITHFUL  --FAITH--

DOES  NOT  FAITH  REQUIRE  OBEDIENCE

 

1 CORITHIANS 4:2  moreover it is  --required--  in stewards that a man be found faithful 

PSALM 119:138  thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very  --faithful--

PSALM 119:86  ---all thy commandments are faithful--- they persecute me wrongfully help thou me

 

1 TIMOTHY 4:6   if thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things thou shalt be a good minister of  JESUS  CHRIST  ---NOURISHED  UP  IN   --   THE  WORDS  OF  FAITH---

2 TIMOTHY 1:13  hold fast the form of  --sound words--  which thou hast heard of me  --in faith--  and love which is in  CHRIST  JESUS

 

ARE  YOU  FAITHFUL 

1 JOHN 2:9  he that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother  ---is in darkness even until now

--2:10-- he that loveth his brother abideth in the light and there is --none occasion of stumbling in him

PSALM 119:130  the entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple 

 

PROVERBS 21:16  the man that wandereth ---out of the way of understanding  --  shall remain in the congregation of the dead---

MATTHEW 8:22  but  JESUS  said unto him ---FOLLOW ME  --  and let the dead bury the dead

2 TIMOTHY 2:7  ---consider what I say and  THE  LORD  give thee understanding  --  in all things---

1 TIMOTHY 2:5  for there is one  GOD  and one mediator between  GOD  and men  ---the man JESUS  CHRIST---

 

ARE  YOU  FAITHFUL  ARE  YOU  A  BELIEVER  DO YOU  HAVE  FAITH

 

JOHN 8:45  AND  BECAUSE  I  TELL  YOU  THE  TRUTH  YOU  BELIEVE  ME  NOT

REVELATION 22:18  for I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book   ---if any man  --  shall add unto these things --  GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

--22:19--  and  --if any man--  shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy   GOD   shall take away  ---his part out of the book of life---  and out of the holy city  --- and from the things which are written in this book--- 

 

PSALM 12:8  THE WICKED WALK ON EVERY SIDE  ---WHEN  THE  VILEST  MEN  ARE  EXALTED 

PSALM 46:10  be still and know that I am  GOD ---I will be exalted among the heathen  --  I will be exalted in the earth---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

[Alive]

I posed this question because of folks that give themselves credit for their believing faith juxtaposed against those who haven't. When I believe we are first regenerated and then hearing we believe as a Gift that can only come to the regenerate. I have long seen a very pointed pride and sharp edge toward others in those that take credit for what only God can do for the depraved--Godward.

 

This scripture says to me, that such a proposed man made believing is referred to here. A doing is a deed.

 

Titus 3:5 (NAS20S)  He saved us,  not on the basis of deeds which we did in righteousness, but in accordance with His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I posed this question because of folks that give themselves credit for their believing faith juxtaposed against those who haven't. When I believe we are first regenerated and then hearing we believe as a Gift that can only come to the regenerate. I have long seen a very pointed pride and sharp edge toward others in those that take credit for what only God can do for the depraved--Godward.

 

This scripture says to me, that such a proposed man made believing is referred to here. A doing is a deed.

 

Titus 3:5 (NAS20S)  He saved us,  not on the basis of deeds which we did in righteousness, but in accordance with His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

                   "folks that give themselves credit"

I think maybe I should be ashamed for how I always thought. Perhaps.
I think I understand you Alive. Haven't considered your statement fully. Yet.
I never thought in the terns 'giving my self credit' when I used to think I could decide my own actions, to which I AM RESPONSIBLE for, being as how I never thought of myself as a robot, subject to outside input in --ah, be enablement by/to,  act. Again, I think I understand you, but the explanation as to  why I "give myself credit' to me, is a stretch. I reckon this is just another discussion started hundreds of years ago. If so, I should bow out now, gracefully. And if necessary, I concede...
If not, I'll continue to watch.
 

[Alive]

49 minutes ago, Sower said:

                   "folks that give themselves credit"

I think maybe I should be ashamed for how I always thought. Perhaps.
I think I understand you Alive. Haven't considered your statement fully. Yet.
I never thought in the terns 'giving my self credit' when I used to think I could decide my own actions, to which I AM RESPONSIBLE for, being as how I never thought of myself as a robot, subject to outside input in --ah, be enablement by/to,  act. Again, I think I understand you, but the explanation as to  why I "give myself credit' to me, is a stretch. I reckon this is just another discussion started hundreds of years ago. If so, I should bow out now, gracefully. And if necessary, I concede...
If not, I'll continue to watch.
 

Brother. God bless you. I think it can be a very subtle sort of thing where a foothold is provided for the enemy. Its a danger. Not necessarily manifested in all, but it is a thing to be aware of…as many other potential fleshy things are.

There are other important issues connected to this relating to the degree of Grace we feel we need and then how the fruit of that extends to others.

One could say, there is a direct relationship between those two in the heart.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Alive

[ayin jade]

Ok now I see what you were asking. I read something else in your initial question. 

I do not try to take any credit for saving faith in the Lord. He made it impossible for me to do anything other than believe. 

But in my day to day life, it is all too easy to try and do things my way. Trusting in the Lord to carry me through situations is where I have to take action and walk the walk, to have faith in the Lord to get me through things. As an example, when my husband was out of work and applying for jobs, I could easily have panicked each time no one contacted him, or he got an email saying thanks but no thanks. I had to actively place my faith in Him, that He would see us through.

[Alive]

10 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Ok now I see what you were asking. I read something else in your initial question. 

I do not try to take any credit for saving faith in the Lord. He made it impossible for me to do anything other than believe. 

But in my day to day life, it is all too easy to try and do things my way. Trusting in the Lord to carry me through situations is where I have to take action and walk the walk, to have faith in the Lord to get me through things. As an example, when my husband was out of work and applying for jobs, I could easily have panicked each time no one contacted him, or he got an email saying thanks but no thanks. I had to actively place my faith in Him, that He would see us through.

Amen….we always need to distinguish from the initial saving grace and what we live with and for after regeneration and being in Christ. This is a consistent point of confusion.

I suppose it does not hurt to repeat, but we must realize that other than in Acts and in John’s general epistles at times, the audience is the already in Christ.

It is a good exercise for any of us to read again the NT with this in mind. I can say with some assurance, it is a worthy endeavor.

[Marilyn C]

On 4/26/2022 at 3:24 AM, Alive said:

I have a question to ask and any can answer, but try to keep answers fairly brief--OK?

I am wanting to keep this as simple as the question is.

:-)

Is faith/believing something you do? 

Hi Alive,

For me, I believe `faith` is believing what God has promised to the Body of Christ and obeying Him in respect to that. And that promise is rulership on His throne, and preparation for that is being made like Christ. In that I need to work with the Holy Spirit to have the divine nature of Christ. This comes about in everyday life decisions and actions. (Rev. 3: 21,  2 Peter 1: 4)

For Israel, they had to have `faith,` to believe `for a city, whose builder and maker is God,` plus their rulership over the nations of the earth. (Heb. 11: 10, 16,  Dan. 7: 26 & 27)

Marilyn. 

[kwikphilly]

Simple answer " no"..... Too simple? Let me know....