Are you saved but believe you would have been damned had you died before you were saved?

[Who me]

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It is God's  will that NONE should perish

2 peter3:9 in the niven not wanting anyone, kj, not willing that any should perish.

God knows from before creation who will be saved.

He knows who will be justly punished. 

 

We don't  fully understand how God's  choice is not compromised  by our choice/acceptance of his offer of salvation.

But ultimately  it is God's  choice not mans.

[Marathoner]

21 hours ago, Selah7 said:

Hey @Not of the World  Your question is, “Are you saved but believe you would have been damned had you died before you were saved”

No, because there is no way that I, as one who was chosen before the foundation of the world, would ever reject His call.  The scenario that you propose is not possible.  A chosen individual can never be dammed.  Why? because they were chosen! and they know it as soon as they here Jesus say, “Come to Me.”  They immediately recognize their Shepherd’s voice and follow Him.   -Selah 

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

- John 10:27-28 (NKJV)

Our dear sister did a much better job of directly answering the question than I did. Many thanks, @Selah7.  

The beloved of the Lord cannot and will not perish from this earth until those works which God ordained for them to walk in are finished. That was the point of describing how the Lord called me when I didn't know Him, and how He preserved me when it seemed all hope was lost. The will of Almighty God is always done for there is none who can oppose nor withstand Him. Hence the Lord declared to Cyrus, 

I am the Lord, and there is no one else;
There is no God except Me.
I will arm you, though you have not known Me,
So that people may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no one else,
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating disaster;
I am the Lord who does all these things.
(Isaiah 45:5-7 NASB)

[Space_Karen]

OP

I think the story of Lazarus could apply here.

Lazarus passed away before Jesus died for our sins.

The bible says Lazarus resided in heaven with Abraham, if I remember correctly.

[Not of the World]

11 minutes ago, Space_Karen said:

OP

I think the story of Lazarus could apply here.

Lazarus passed away before Jesus died for our sins.

The bible says Lazarus resided in heaven with Abraham, if I remember correctly.

Thank you!

[TheBlade]

no. Why? I didn't know him. This will be good.. it was not because He called me or my naming being written before the foundation of the world. See He never forced anyone. Everyone that comes to Christ has a choice. His desire is for all to be saved. There is no one Christ didn't choose.  So easy to talk like this since we are found... I don't praise God never would. 

So those that don't know Him are dammed? no. Hello its why were still here! He is still waiting for us to unhide that light and let it shine no matter what happens to us. 

[Selah7]

6 minutes ago, TheBlade said:

no. Why? I didn't know him. This will be good.. it was not because He called me or my naming being written before the foundation of the world. See He never forced anyone. Everyone that comes to Christ has a choice. His desire is for all to be saved. There is no one Christ didn't choose.  So easy to talk like this since we are found... I don't praise God never would. 

So those that don't know Him are dammed? no. Hello its why were still here! He is still waiting for us to unhide that light and let it shine no matter what happens to us. 

Yes. Every person has the option to accept or reject the Lord. All men are promised that "whoever believes in Him shall not die, but have everlasting life" because of what Jesus Christ did on the Cross.  

- Selah 

[AnOrangeCat]

2 hours ago, Who me said:

It is God's  will that NONE should perish

Adding to this there's I Timothy 2. It says God wants all people to be saved and that Jesus gave Himself as a ransom for all. The Bible really reinforces itself by repeating key ideas like this.

[JohnD]

On 11/10/2022 at 7:57 AM, Not of the World said:

Thanks in advance. 

John 3:18 (KJV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This proves original sin nature of man. Eliminates hyper-Calvinism.

[Your closest friendnt]

20 hours ago, JohnD said:

John 3:18 (KJV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This proves original sin nature of man. Eliminates hyper-Calvinism.

No one has ever be damned because of what Adam did. 

Jesus and the disciples did not teach anything like that, not even suggestively. 

They asked everyone as they are to believe in Jesus Christ...to have their sins under the blood of Jesus Christ..

Most of the people who believed from non Christian Families they have denied to believe at first...they stand to be condemned only if they die with their denial. 

Paul denied to believe in Jesus too many times in his Life, but he was not condemned...only if he died in his denial, and only then...but Paul believed before he died, and he died as a believer in Jesus Christ...

John 3:18 has nothing to do with "the original sin", we have nothing to do with the "original sin...

We were never promised to believe in Jesus Christ so we can become like Adam before his disobedience. 

This is not part of the Gospel..it never was and never has been...and never will be.

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[other one]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

No one has ever be damned because of what Adam did. 

I kind of disagree with that, because before he ate of the fruit he did not know what sin really was, so he/she was not held accountable for anything.

After eating of the fruit, both he and Eve did understand for they realized they were naked and no one told them of that.   They knew by nature then of what was really right and wrong.  Call it sin or whatever.  They passed that on to their offspring to us.

So, it isn't that we are condemned by something that anyone else including Adam has done, but the fact that we now by nature know better at some time in our lives, and that is what condemns us before Jesus steps in.