Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad2]

29 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

1260, 1290 and 1335 is really the...............

1335, 1290 and 1260................Revere your thinking !!

The 1260 is unbeknownst to many the biggest key to unlocking the End Times in all of the bible. And it's good for everyone reading this that I know exactly what it means due to much study and prayer. (30 years worth, SMILE).

Thanks for the clue as to why your prophesy ideas are messed up. Pride.

 

29 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

God tells us when the Rapture is when the Abomination of Desolation happens when the Two-witnesses show up when the Beast Conquers Jerusalem when the Two-witnesses die when the Beast dies.

 

 Oh, where does God tell us the Rapture is at the mid point of the 7 years? Ha

 

 

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when the children of Israel or the Holy people scatter and last but not least when the Day of the Lord comes upon mankind, all by the 1260 day or Time, times and a half time measurement. Each event and each person/peoples mentioned in connection with the 1260 day time frame can be juxtaposed against other people/events to give us specific time frames if we just use common sense.

Why make stuff up?

 

 

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For instance, we know the holy people are scattered at the 1260 day mark (time, times and half time) and that the Anti-Christ reneges on all his agreements or covenants in the Middle of the week so he conquers at day 1260 and thus rules as the Beast for 42 Months just like Rev. 13 says. So it goes without saying he thereby scatters the holy people Israel at that same time, they Flee Judea as Jesus commanded them to do. The Woman (Israel) is protected by God for 1260 days in the Wilderness.

Saying you know silly things to be true means nothing. Nowhere in the bible did I read about the AC doing anything 1260 days after he scatters anyone, or conquers something 1260 days after he defiles the temple etc etc. Total nonsense.

 

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Daniel chapter 12 tells us when the Two-Witnesses show up and when they die but we have to use the 1260 (time, times, half) to figure it out, Its complicated.

Via Daniel chapter 12 we come to understand that the Abomination of Desolation has to come before the Jews Flee, some think it happens at the same time, I used to, but that passage give us a VERY IMPORTANT CLUE that changes the thought process, if we catch it, its there.

The Numbers are REVERSED from what most think, they are not counting days into the Tribulation, but days until the end/Jesus returns, from specified events. This can be proved by yours truly.

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus/Angel?), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? (NOTICE THE QUESTION HERE....)

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (1260 Days); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

This is saying that from the time the Holy people are "SCATTERED" (Israel Flees Judea) there will be 1260 Days (time, times and half time) until all of these wonders are finished. So the 1260 is how many days from the time the Anti-Christ comes forth, Conquers Jerusalem and becomes the Beast for 42 Months until Jesus Christs Second coming. It can be nothing else.

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

So what does this mean? Everyone seems to have problems with these numbers, but when we get they are all REVERSED and are Events then days from said Events until the END TIME it kind of clears up for us. Since we know the 1260 (time, times and half time) is in the Middle of the Week, and it says the holy people are scattered at this time, the Abomination of Desolation mentioned in verse 11 can not be set up 30 days after the holy people have scattered or fled, because Jesus prophesied that when you see the Abomination of Desolation that Jews should FLEE JUDEA in Matthew 24:15-17, so the 1290 event can not be 30 days after the 1260 event, thus it has to be 30 days before the 1260 event, and that makes sense when we understand the 1260 days was Days until the END/Jesus' Return. Thus the 1335 is also an Event that is 1335 Days until the End/Jesus Returns. Everyone is looking at it wrong/Backwards.

1. 1335 Days until Jesus Returns the Two-Witnesses show up, blessed is he that makes it from this day of Repentance all the way to Jesus' return.

2. 1290 Days before Jesus Returns the Daily (Oblation/Worshiping of Jesus) is taken away, and the Abomination is set up. (Jews should FLEE JUDEA.)

3. The Anti-Christ comes forth to Conquer in the Middle of the Week (Day of the Lord/Gods Wrath) and the Jews/Israel has thus been SCATTERED !!

This timeline fits scriptures. The Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Beast and die BEFORE the Beast (2nd Woe vs. 7th Vial). And Malachi 4:5-6 says that the two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So we understand all the timelines of Revelation/End Times via the 1260 Days timelines. If we are observant.

The way I wrote this 2 years ago may be easier for some to understand I guess, its a very in depth understanding, but simple.

 

So what we have then is you wasting our time with utter made up rubbish with no support at all.

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

Jesus said we would go where He was.

Shalom, dad2.

Sorry, but Yeeshuwa` said we would go where He was WHEN HE GETS BACK! We are gathered TO HIM!

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

If we are Raptured before the wrath of God that we are no appointed to, that is where we go.

Nope. Although we are not "appointed unto wrath," that ONLY means that we will not suffer His wrath that He pours out on the rest of humanity! Within His Kingdom, there will be peace. HOWEVER, OUTSIDE of His Kingdom, He will subdue all of His enemies!

We don't "go to Heaven"; we go to the graves to await our RESURRECTION! THEN, we are gathered THROUGH THE HEAVENS (THROUGH THE SKIES) to Him in the Middle East!

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

By the time we return with Jesus the marriage supper is over. Blessed are they that are called to it. That sounds like a heavenly marriage supper.

Nonsense! He won't drink from the fruit of the grape until He returns! THEN, He will have the marriage and the associated supper with it! He will return home to Israel and drink from a new harvest of the vine!

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

One commentary says this

"So it seems plain that we are warranted in viewing Israel as the earthly bride and the church as the heavenly bride. Both are dear to His heart. He purchased them with His precious blood, but each has a special character of her own."

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/isn/revelation-19.html#verse-1

 

Well, first, take anything a commentary says with a grain of salt! They are NOT the Bible nor should one treat their words as such!

Second, this person is splitting between Israel and "the church(es)"; but, Paul was quite specific when he said,

Ephesians 2:11-22 (KJV)

11 Wherefore remember, that ye (Ephesian Gentile believers) being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by that which is called the "Circumcision" in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were WITHOUT CHRIST (OUTSIDE OF MESSIAH), being aliens from the commonwealth (citizenship) of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without (outside of) God in the world: 

13 But now IN CHRIST JESUS (IN MESSIAH YEESHUWA`) ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ (the blood of the Messiah). 14 For HE IS OUR PEACE, WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for TO MAKE IN HIMSELF OF TWAIN (TWO) ONE NEW MAN, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile BOTH unto God IN ONE BODY by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (the Gentiles), and to them that were nigh (the children of Israel). 18 For through him we BOTH have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye (Ephesian Gentile believers) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints (the children of the Kingdom of Israel), and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

One should understand, though, that "Heaven and earth" are NOT two separate places! "Heavenly" does NOT mean "nonphysical" or "spiritual"; while "earthly" means "physical" or "natural." That is a Platonism (which the author Randy Alcorn called "Christoplatonism" in his book Heaven) that was incorporated into the "churches" in the late First Century to the middle of the Third Century! It is PURELY A LIE!

"Heaven and earth" is talking about the "sky/atmosphere and the ground." The word "earth" didn't have a primary meaning of the "planet" back in the New Testament! The word meant the "dirt," the "ground," the "land!" It only "graduated" (or was "demoted") to mean the "planet" in the 20th Century!

"Heaven" also meant "the sky"; the "air," and the weather within it! That's how Yeeshuwa` used it in Matthew 16:1-4!

Matthew 16:1-4 (KJV)

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven (Greek: ek tou ouranou = "out of-the sky"). 2 He answered and said unto them,

"When it is evening, ye say, 'It will be fair weather': for the sky (Greek: ho ouranos = "the sky") is red. 3 And in the morning, 'It will be foul weather to day': for the sky (Greek: ho ouranos = "the sky") is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky (Greek: tou ouranou = "of-the sky"); but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas!"

And he left them, and departed.

They asked for Him to give them a sign out of the sky, and He said, "Okay, red sky at night is a sailor's delight; red sky at morning, sailors take warning!" THAT'S what the Greek word "ouranos," frequently translated as "heaven," means!

This is true for the NEW heavens and the NEW earth, as well! Even though they are "new," they are still words that refer to "the new skies and the new land!" It is PHYSICAL, as physical as the original Creation was! The only part that is supernatural is that God said He would dwell with us, but He dwells (tents) with us on the NEW EARTH!

[Desopixi Seilynam]

For I would not brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own eyes;
that hardening in part is happened to Israel,
until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so[or and in this manner] shall all Israel be saved,
as it is written;
There shall come out of Zion the deliverer
and shall turn away ungodliness from Israel
for this is my covenant with them
when I shall take away their sins. [When did He take away all sin?]
[On the cross]
As concerning the good news, they are enemies for your sake,
but concerning the election they are beloved for the fathers' sake's.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
For as you in times past have not obeyed God,
yet now have obtained mercy through their disobedience.
[they had Christ killed is their disobedience]
[you have mercy because of the death and resurrection of Christ]

Even so have these also now  not obeyed,
that through the mercy shown to you they also may obtain mercy.
Because God has concluded them all in disobedience,
that He may have mercy upon all.
[via the death and resurrection of Christ]
Romans 11:25-32
 

And so they have to believe in the death and resurrection of Christ,
just as we do, they must believe in Christ to be saved.
Christ is the deliverer that came to Zion and took away sin.

God confined them to the death of Christ,
that He might have mercy upon all mankind,
via the death and resurrection of Christ.
 

 

"In the first year of Darius... I Daniel understood by the books,
the number of years, whereof the word of the Lord
came to Jeremiah the prophet,
that He would accomplish seventy years
in the desolations of Jerusalem."
Daniel 9:1-2

"...this whole land shall be a desolation....
and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon
seventy years"
"And it shall come to pass when seventy years
are finished that I will punish ....... all the nations."
Jeremiah 25:11-13

"Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand,
and cause all nations, to whom I send thee,
to drink it. And they shall drink, and be moved,
and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them"
Then took I the cup ... and made all the nations to drink...
To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah ...
to make them a desolation.....
and all the kingdoms of the world..."

Jeremiah 25:15-26

We see that Jerusalem is to be first,
then all the nations of the world,
a sword among them. War.

And so Daniel  prays:

"O Lord, according to all thy righteousness,
I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury 
[referring directly to what he read in Jeremiah]
be turned away from thy city Jerusalem."
Daniel 9:16

We can understand from this and from 2 Chronicles 36:15-21
that Daniel had been in captivity 70 years,
and therefore by reading Jeremiah he understood that Jerusalem
was to be destroyed, and therefore was praying that God not destroy it.
But the angel Gabriel comes and gives Daniel greater understanding.

"Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people.......
And after 32 captivities shall Messiah suffer the death penalty
but not for Himself. And the people of the prince [John 14:30]
that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, [Rev 12:15-17]
and until the end of the war desolations are determined."
Daniel 9:24-26

4,900 total years worth of captivity.

70 captivities, in about the middle of which,
the Messiah suffers the death penalty,
but not for Himself.

During the final captivity,
is the culmination of beast and false prophet.
 

Afterwards;

"many of them that sleep in
the dust of the earth shall awake...."
[1 Thess 4:16-17, 2nd Thess 1:7-10, Rev 19:7-14, Rev 20:4-5,
Ezekiel 37:9-10, Matt 24:31, Jude 1:14-15, Isaiah 26:19]
 

"But thou O Daniel, shut up the words,
and seal the book, even to the time of the end,
many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall be increased."

Daniel 12:2,4

[Selah7]

17 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Hello sister Selah, going to cover what you already know but hope it will bring perspective on the 'ISRAEL' thing

Okay.   Let’s see.  I, like many on this forum, understand the grafting in of the gentiles.

For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

- Romans 11:13-25 

Now.  The question proposed by the OP was, Did God restore Israel in 1948?

D, as you have read in my previous posts and the scriptures that I have provided, I do not believe that the nation of Israel was restored in 1948 (the “two sticks” joining together).  This has not happened, as we can clearly see in Daniel 9:24. But it will happen when Jesus returns at the 7th trump.

 

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

If if if. If there is a cosmic time jump ..then this and that must be true etc etc etc. The bottom line is that it was not 1948. The chapter makes that clear. What else matters?

From what I read in what you replied unto, this was about the Two Sticks Prophecy. Thus it had to start in 722 BC when Israel were toted off and thus will go on until Jesus returns, God simply says He made then ONE STICK (Kingdom). So, all of your IF, IF, IF matters not, its FACT, FACT, FACT.

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

Maybe. However, perhaps descendants of these various people live in the end also. If so, then it makes sense to refer to those people as well. When Israel gets saved in the end, God restores them good and proper in other words. Nothing to do with 1948.

No maybe, the Prophecy JUMPS to 1948 as I stated. God disowned those Northern Tribes, they became Gentiles in His mind when he cast them out, He moved on with the remnant SEED he had saved unto Himself, as He called in in Isaiah, I have saved for myself 7000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal. Those who were cast off by God are not of Faithful Abraham anymore unless they come unto Him via Jesus as "Gentiles". You are looking at it all wrong, there were never any LOST TRIBES, its a fantasy. There were a huge part of the wicked northern tribes tat were cast out, but God SAVED HIMSELF 7000 meaning He had SEED from every tribe still living in Israel. 

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

? Say what? He rules after He returns for 1000 years. You seem to have it hass backwards. It is not a 1000 year lead up to His ruling.

Again, you miss the Progression of the prophecy, is what I stated. The Two Sticks Prophecy starts out with Assyria toting of the Northern Kingdoms, Israel becoming ONE STICK (All of the tribes live in Judah and eventually become known as Jews or Judeans), THEN, the Diaspora happens, and it is said Hitler killed "Six Million Jews" when it was really 6 Million Israeli's from all 12 tribes !! BUT.........Jesus finishes off the Prophecy WITH his 1000 year reign, no one said he waits a 1000 years and ten reigns. So, the Prophecy progresses until the 1000 year reign, of course.

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

I never speculated at all on how many get Raptured. Strawman. As for the days of the last 3 1/2 years, that is a moot point. Apparently Jesus comes back, and then there are a small number of weeks and days where some things happen as we enter the 1000 years. No need to speculate on details now. Perhaps it takes some days to judge the nations? Who knows? Who really cares now? There are seven final years and then Jesus returns and rules.

It nit important what subjects you commented on via my posts tbh. I just understand who to deduce prophetic utterings because its actually my calling of 37 years, I do not wait on "permission from men" to put forth the word. (SMILE)

No, that just you not understanding what the 1290 and 1335 are, so it confounds and confuses you, like most people. I don't "speculate" I KNOW what it means. I care, that my job, my calling, and thus God cares also, because He wants us to know Hs DEEPM TRUTHS, just because you can't grasp something brother you can't therefore say "who cares" !!

 

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:14 PM, Walter Goraj jr said:

I just disagree with your view of the kingdom age. 

You stated: "Yes, we are of FAITHFUL Abraham, but we are not Jews brother."

Yes! Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

All of God's children, no matter what our background is . We are all equal, all one in Christ Jesus. 

I don't call myself anything other than a Christian, a born again believer, a true believer. 

We ARE NOT Israel !! You do not understand the scriptures brother. You take Galatians and you run with one or two verses, so instead of me telling you what it means, let me take the time to show you what Galatians really means. The fact that you guys can not get that we are not ALL MALES or FEMALES but still think it means we are ALL ONE before God know in our races/nationalities mystifies me, Paul is only speaking unto FAITH, we are all one in FAITH, we are not all males nor females, not all Jews OR Gentiles, that is truly nonsensical brother. But alas, let me take the time to do this, I am staying with my bedridden mom today so I have plenty of time to do this today (SMILE). I don't mind anyway brother, I really pray this helps you see past the misconceptions put out by men's traditions.

Lets go with the Holman version because it gives us HEADERS.

Justification through Faith

Gal. 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has hypnotized you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified? 2 I only want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now going to be made complete by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so much for nothing—if in fact it was for nothing? 5 So then, does God supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law or by hearing with faith?

6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, 7 then understand that those who have faith are Abraham’s sons. 8 Now the Scripture saw in advance that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and told the good news ahead of time to Abraham, saying, All the nations will be blessed through you. 9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith.

{{{ Above, we have some Gentiles, the Galatians who were trying to please God via the works of the law, no doubt some "converted Jews" were trying to teach them they had to also observe the Sabbath etc. etc. in order to be "of God" or in order to "earn their salvation" So, Paul is like, did you receive your Salvation by works of the law or via Faith? He calls them foolish for falling into this trap. NOTICE: Paul still calls them Gentiles, he said God would justify the Gentiles via faith, and that the Nations would be blessed via faith . He does not say they are Israelis or Jews. }}} 

Law and Promise

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law is cursed. 11 Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith. 12 But the law is not based on faith; instead, the one who does these things will live by them. 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written: Everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed. 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles by Christ Jesus, so that we could receive the promised Spirit through faith.

15 Brothers, I’m using a human illustration. No one sets aside or makes additions to even a human covenant that has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say “and to seeds,” as though referring to many, but referring to one, and to your seed, who is Christ. 17 And I say this: The law, which came 430 years later, does not revoke a covenant that was previously ratified by God and cancel the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is from the law, it is no longer from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.

{{{ So, Abraham here is simply trying to teach the converts unto Christ the difference between the Law, and the Promise (Jesus), one merely convicts us, the other Justifies us via faith in his Promised Seed Jesus. That is why we are of Abraham, our Faith makes us heirs with him, not our NATIONALITY !! Not our GENDER !! Not us being FREEMEN !! Simply our faith, be we Jews or Gentiles, Males or Females, Slaves or Freemen. Italian or Chinese or American or Brazilian or Canadian or Jewish !! We are all justified BY FAITH not by the LAW which came 430 years after the Promise. Don't you see? We are heirs not because we are all the same "Nationality", but because we all have Faith in God the Redeemer to Justify us via His mercies !! Amen. }}}

The Purpose of the Law

19 Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. The law was put into effect through angels by means of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not for just one person, but God is one. 21 Is the law therefore contrary to God’s promises? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then righteousness would certainly be by the law. 22 But the Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin’s power, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. 24 The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith. 25 But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

{{{ The Law was only given so that our (Israel's) sins could have a spotlight shined on them, once Jesus came, there was now no need for the Law anymore, we could now both see and believe in the Sacrifice, and we now had a continual high priest in heaven absolving all sinners who came unto the mercy seat of God to get forgiveness of their sins, 24/7/365, thus the law serves no purpose, the spirit pricks our hearts, because he lives in us continually, unless we turn back unto sins and love sins more than God like the prodigal son who went to the far lands and loved wickedness and wound up in the pig pen. We are thus all justified by FAITH ALONE We are not all the same nationality however, Paul was just using our nationalities, our genders etc. as a comparison point, noting that no matter what race, nationality, gender we are, we are all heirs because of FAITH ALONE, like Abraham. We are not all Jews or Males, we are however all heirs via faith. }}]

Sons and Heirs

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ like a garment. 28 There is no Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise(Faith in Jesus).

{{{ This, to be honest should be a very simple concept which Paul laid out, but Satan via confusion has a way of conflating these things. If there are still males and females, then why are there not still Jews and Gentiles?

It makes no sense that people can not pick up on this right away and understand that this is not, nor can it be Paul's overall point !! He is simply trying to tell the Galatians that no matter what you have been told, those of Faithful Abraham do not have to work their way to heaven by keeping the law, you are every much a heir as the Jewish people are, via the Promised seed Jesus Christ, Abraham believed and that was his righteousness, likewise Faith is indeed all men's righteousness, because we are made whole by belief in God's mercies on us who do not deserve those mercies. Not by keeping the law, which condemns us by its very nature. 

So, in order to get this point across to the Galatians he tells them, there is no Jew or Gentile, no male nor females, no freemen nor slaves in Jesus, and we are all made whole by FAITH ALONE, not by works. His whole point is we live BY FAITH, and thus are heirs like Abraham, not of Abraham per se, OF Jesus, via Faith, Abraham is our brother in Faith. We thus are all one via FAITH ALONE, not via our nationality or genders. He is ever, ever saying the Gentiles and Jews are all one via God's callings, just that we are all one via FAITH. I am called to Prophecy, another man called unto converting the youth, another is called to help feed the starving, another is called to a ministry of healing, we as individuals are all called unto unique offices, as ordained by God, so is Israel called unto a different calling than the Gentiles, they are called to the Kingdom Age, we are not a part of that unless we are Martyrs who die as Gentile Converts during the 70th week tribulation, ones who missed the rapture then paid with their lives via faith in Jesus. Our Gentile Church is called to evangelize the whole World, Israel's calling was split asunder, they were called to BIRTH the Messiah, read Rev. 12, the "male child" then the Time of the Gentiles came in (Church Age with some Messianic Jews) BUT...................After the Time of the Gentiles is fulfilled (The Rapture) Israel will then be back on God's timeclock, Jesus will set up a 1000 year Kingdom Age on earth with Israel. That is Israel's calling not ours. Paul says THEIR CALLINGS are without repentance via God's desires in Romans 11. }}}

That chapter in no way infers that Israel and the Gentiles are now all ONE in our callings. It simply means we are all, ONE in how we come unto Christ Jesus' Salvation, BY FAITH ALONE!!

Edited January 1, 2023 by Revelation Man

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Selah7 said:

D, as you have read in my previous posts and the scriptures that I have provided, I do not believe that the nation of Israel was restored in 1948 (the “two sticks” joining together).  This has not happened, as we can clearly see in Daniel 9:24. But it will happen when Jesus returns at the 7th trump.

Happy New Year Selah

Just so you understand, I don't believe the 'two sticks' have come together either.  That would be the 'two' nations becoming one people again

That is not the subject here, as the DATE of 1948 sets the tone of the subject, at least it did for me.  I apologize for not being more specific.  When I think of Israel I allow the precept on precept to determine which Israel such as

Israel is Jacob who had 12 sons
Israel is the 12 sons plus the 2 as a bloodline people 
Israel is the people divided into two Nations- House of...
Israel is the promised LAND, nothing to do with the people being ON IT
Israel is all of Gods people both bloodline and grafted in

The different promises and/or covenants and stuff like that, I also take into consideration to separate the one from the other.  The titles themselves as to who is included and who is excluded like the WHOLE house of Israel for when speaking of ALL the people as does House of JACOB

Israel is NOT the tribe of Judah nor the house of Judah nor the Jews those are parts used to describe in further detail.
If it didn't become 'recognized' as a nation once again in 1948, Gods word would have not been true as given in Lev 26. 

I have given thought to Dan 9:26 on all being future but I don't see how it could be  possible.  Maybe in another thread sometime...Thank you D


 

[Alive]

Its simple to me when looked at as simple principles.

Peoples set apart by God for His purposes.

Abraham was called out from and set apart for…his seed in the natural became a people set apart for God’s Purpose.

Later as foretold the gentiles are grafted into the set apart group, not to become jews, but to be included with ‘set apart ones’, for God’s Purpose. Of the two there is one. Jews do not become gentiles nor do gentiles become Jews. We are all one in that we are all, now of the elect…called out.

This is the baseline Paul established when reflecting God’s will and Plan. All are Abraham’s seed by faith, but not according to flesh.

Everything else needs to be seen from this baseline.

Simple.

[dad2]

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, dad2.

Sorry, but Yeeshuwa` said we would go where He was WHEN HE GETS BACK! We are gathered TO HIM!

John 14:2

 

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3

 

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

When we are received into the air we are brought to where He is in the air. When He returns to earth at the appointed time after the Tribulation, we are still with Him.

 

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Nope. Although we are not "appointed unto wrath," that ONLY means that we will not suffer His wrath that He pours out on the rest of humanity! Within His Kingdom, there will be peace. HOWEVER, OUTSIDE of His Kingdom, He will subdue all of His enemies!

So you thought that believers in the Great Tribulation would not suffer? Not true. Many will be martyred. They will not be able to buy food or anything else. The world will be burnt and the trees killed the waters turned to blood, so nothing to drink, hailstones about a 100 pounds each falling, the government will be seeking out believers to kill them for refusing the mark, the stars and sun will go dark, demons will be openly on the earth, etc etc. Jesus does not subdue enemies until He returns. Pretty basic stuff.

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

We don't "go to Heaven"; we go to the graves to await our RESURRECTION! THEN, we are gathered THROUGH THE HEAVENS (THROUGH THE SKIES) to Him in the Middle East!

Nonsense! He won't drink from the fruit of the grape until He returns! THEN, He will have the marriage and the associated supper with it! He will return home to Israel and drink from a new harvest of the vine!

Yes His Father and the mansions and city He prepared is in heaven. Yes we are raised either alive or from the dead to go UP in the air to be with Him forever.

Rev 19:

¹ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

² For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

³ And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

⁴ And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

⁵ And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

⁶ And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

⁷ Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

⁸ And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

⁹ And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

 

The scene is in heaven, so what makes you say that the marriage supper is not there?

Notice how those following Jesus are dressed?       ¹⁴ And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Since He then gathers believers from the Tribulation (including Jewish) perhaps we could say another celebration happens as the commentary suggested.

 

 

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Well, first, take anything a commentary says with a grain of salt! They are NOT the Bible nor should one treat their words as such!

Second, this person is splitting between Israel and "the church(es)"; but, Paul was quite specific when he said,

Ephesians 2:11-22 (KJV)

11 Wherefore remember, that ye (Ephesian Gentile believers) being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by that which is called the "Circumcision" in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were WITHOUT CHRIST (OUTSIDE OF MESSIAH), being aliens from the commonwealth (citizenship) of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without (outside of) God in the world: 

13 But now IN CHRIST JESUS (IN MESSIAH YEESHUWA`) ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ (the blood of the Messiah). 14 For HE IS OUR PEACE, WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for TO MAKE IN HIMSELF OF TWAIN (TWO) ONE NEW MAN, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile BOTH unto God IN ONE BODY by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (the Gentiles), and to them that were nigh (the children of Israel). 18 For through him we BOTH have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye (Ephesian Gentile believers) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints (the children of the Kingdom of Israel), and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Jews who are saved today or then are in the household of God like everyone else who believes. The Israel in the end that gets saved are not those individuals who already got saved. Israel as a nation and people today are not saved. All the promises God made to them about the land and restoring them etc etc will be fulfilled when they finally get saved. Yes calling them Israel is apt. That remnant that gets saved in the end is not the church! The Bride is a special batch of believers since Jesus came. When all Israel gets saved they are another batch! The Tribulation saints are another batch. The Millennial saints are another batch! All will be one in Christ. However that does not mean we do not have special promises such as to the Jewish people that will be fulfilled. The Millennium saints will be saved from the wicked that camp around them. The church will be Raptured in the air to be with Him and our city is New Jerusalem. One promise we share with the Jewish people who will get saved is that we both will rule with Him.

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

One should understand, though, that "Heaven and earth" are NOT two separate places! "Heavenly" does NOT mean "nonphysical" or "spiritual"; while "earthly" means "physical" or "natural." That is a Platonism (which the author Randy Alcorn called "Christoplatonism" in his book Heaven) that was incorporated into the "churches" in the late First Century to the middle of the Third Century! It is PURELY A LIE! "Heaven and earth" is talking about the "sky/atmosphere and the ground." The word "earth" didn't have a primary meaning of the "planet" back in the New Testament! The word meant the "dirt," the "ground," the "land!" It only "graduated" (or was "demoted") to mean the "planet" in the 20th Century!

Wrong. Calling it a lie is the lie. Clearly Jesus went to heaven. Not earth! Clearly God lives in heaven not earth. The atmosphere is also called heaven. However that is not the part of heaven where God dwells. That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit. They are not the same.

Luke 12:33

 

Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth

 

That for example is not talking about earth or where kites fly!

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

They asked for Him to give them a sign out of the sky, and He said, "Okay, red sky at night is a sailor's delight; red sky at morning, sailors take warning!" THAT'S what the Greek word "ouranos," frequently translated as "heaven," means!

The signs in the heavens we are told about include the sun and stars going dark etc. Heaven is not limited to where birds fly. Period.

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

This is true for the NEW heavens and the NEW earth, as well! Even though they are "new," they are still words that refer to "the new skies and the new land!" It is PHYSICAL, as physical as the original Creation was! The only part that is supernatural is that God said He would dwell with us, but He dwells (tents) with us on the NEW EARTH!

The city comes to earth down from heaven. The city has been prepared in heaven.

[dad2]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

From what I read in what you replied unto, this was about the Two Sticks Prophecy. Thus it had to start in 722 BC when Israel were toted off and thus will go on until Jesus returns, God simply says He made then ONE STICK (Kingdom). So, all of your IF, IF, IF matters not, its FACT, FACT, FACT.

Nope.

Ezekiel 37:21

 

And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Ezekiel 37:22

 

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

Ezekiel 37:23

 

Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

 

That never happened yet. Not in 722. Not in 1948

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No maybe, the Prophecy JUMPS to 1948 as I stated. God disowned those Northern Tribes, they became Gentiles in His mind when he cast them out, He moved on with the remnant SEED he had saved unto Himself, as He called in in Isaiah, I have saved for myself 7000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal. Those who were cast off by God are not of Faithful Abraham anymore unless they come unto Him via Jesus as "Gentiles". You are looking at it all wrong, there were never any LOST TRIBES, its a fantasy. There were a huge part of the wicked northern tribes tat were cast out, but God SAVED HIMSELF 7000 meaning He had SEED from every tribe still living in Israel. 

There is no 1948 anywhere. State whatever you like. They still had transgressions in 1948 etc

 

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, you miss the Progression of the prophecy, is what I stated. The Two Sticks Prophecy starts out with Assyria toting of the Northern Kingdoms, Israel becoming ONE STICK (All of the tribes live in Judah and eventually become known as Jews or Judeans), THEN, the Diaspora happens, and it is said Hitler killed "Six Million Jews" when it was really 6 Million Israeli's from all 12 tribes !! BUT.........Jesus finishes off the Prophecy WITH his 1000 year reign, no one said he waits a 1000 years and ten reigns. So, the Prophecy progresses until the 1000 year reign, of course.

It mentions a former divide that will no longer exist when they are restored by God. His restoring will not take any great time at all. Boom. Done.

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It nit important what subjects you commented on via my posts tbh. I just understand who to deduce prophetic utterings because its actually my calling of 37 years, I do not wait on "permission from men" to put forth the word. (SMILE)

I knew better before you got started. No sense bragging.

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No, that just you not understanding what the 1290 and 1335 are, so it confounds and confuses you, like most people. I don't "speculate" I KNOW what it means. I care, that my job, my calling, and thus God cares also, because He wants us to know Hs DEEPM TRUTHS, just because you can't grasp something brother you can't therefore say "who cares" !!

 

WE all know there are periods of weeks or days after Jesus returns. You trying to stick them in the trib period somewhere is what is being looked at here.