Location of New Jerusalem

[angels4u]

1 hour ago, other one said:

the new city of Jerusalem is 1500 miles high and would be physically impossible with the present Physics of planet earth with just the surface being burned.  Everything has to be new, even  the physical conditions if there is still a planet earth.

I can see it being in a higher dimension where physics changes, but that goes outside Biblical teaching and most people frown on that.

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I can see it being in a higher dimension where physics changes, but that goes outside Biblical teaching and most people frown on that.

I can see the same, located between heaven and earth..

@Dennis1209  @AdHoc How do you both see this?

Interesting as we don't hear much about it..

[angels4u]

I think during the Millennial  it will not be on earth but on the New Earth it will be on earth?

[Still Alive]

Who knows. But we'll know it when we see it.

[bornagain2011]

The Bible says that after the 1,000 year reign everything will be made new, new heavens, new earth, and at that time New Jerusalem will come down as a bride adorned for her husband. So it will be on the new earth, it will be in the dimensions of a cube, the width will be the same as the height,  at least the wall will be as high as the length and width, not sure about the height of the city structures. 

 

It will take up over the length of the US,but the US won't exist of course, but that gives you an idea of it's vastness. More than enough space for all of us, plus there will be nations outside of the great city where believers will live too.

Edited October 6, 2023 by bornagain2011

[angels4u]

11 minutes ago, bornagain2011 said:

The Bible says that after the 1,000 year reign everything will be made new, new heavens, new earth, and at that time New Jerusalem will come down as a bride adorned for her husband. So it will be on the new earth, it will be in the dimensions of a cube, the width will be the same as the height,  at least the wall will be as high as the length and width, not sure about the height of the city structures. 

 

It will take up over the length of the US,but the US won't exist of course, but that gives you an idea of it's vastness. More than enough space for all of us, plus there will be nations outside of the great city where believers will live too.

During the Millennial there will be 3 categories of people,those who survived the Tribulation will populate the earth again,the people taking up in the rapture and the people who die in the Tribulation because the became new believers,we know the last 2 categories will  rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years ,don't think its possible the New Jerusalem might be hovering above the earth giving access for the people who rule and reign with Him?

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, angels4u said:

During the Millennial there will be 3 categories of people,those who survived the Tribulation will populate the earth again,the people taking up in the rapture and the people who die in the Tribulation because the became new believers,we know the last 2 categories will  rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years ,don't think its possible the New Jerusalem might be hovering above the earth giving access for the people who rule and reign with Him?

Yes, those who survive will repopulate the earth, some Jews, some who bring gifts from elsewhere who never received the Mark of the Beast (MoB). So, how can people not receive the MoB but still be alive? The Beast does not rule the whole world, only the E.U. and the Mediterranean Sea Region, thus some gentiles survive, and the Jews will be protected in the Petra/Bozrah area. 

As per the Martyrs who are killed, yes they indeed serve with Jesus for his 1000 year reign, but the designation states they must have refused the MoB in order to serve for the 1000 years with Christ Jesus in Rev. 20:4. Whenever God is that specific, He means what He is saying and by implication that means those of us Raptured will not rule on earth with Jesus for 1000 years. IMHO, we go back to heaven to build or help finish off the New Jerusalem, as it "descends" it is called the Bride of Christ IMHO, because we are in it as it descends. I actually think we travel to it. This world will burn up Peter said, but not only this earth, this whole Universe will be set on fire, IMHO, thus universe in full is hell, we leave Satan and everyone else who love evil trapped in this "time warp", and we go to God's realm where there is no time, where there is no stars nor sun, no oceans etc. God's Glory is our illuminating light forever more.

We will live in God's realm or in a New Universe and New Earth/New Jerusalem, which is my belief. 

As per the size, when God uses numbers He at times is telling us you do not need to know these things in full, as with the 144,000 which I think is 3.5-5 million Jews, 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 is simply Fulness x Completeness or ALL Israel who repents. Well, I see the dimensions of the New Heaven and New Earth, and New Jerusalem as unfathomable so God just once again used a number that means Fulness x Completeness. In other words, we all would never understand the vastness anyway. Just like using 6 days of creation for 13.7 billion years to Abraham, who could not even fathom what a the number million meant, much lest what a billion was. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

I can see the same, located between heaven and earth..

@Dennis1209  @AdHoc How do you both see this?

Interesting as we don't hear much about it..

Well, Angel’s, since you asked, you will need a good night's sleep and a pot of coffee to keep awake with this extended boring response. 

I think it is natural everyone wants to know as much as they can glean about their eternal home; I am no exception. As stated, the New Jerusalem will be a cube with exact dimensions of roughly 1,500 miles, depending on the furlong used.

I have previously wondered if the NJ will be in geocentric orbit, in space, or touching and grounded on the Earth. Unless it is totally symbolic, the foundation of the apostles needs something to anchor too physically. I realize Christ is our foundation and anchor; I am talking about physics as I know it.

Under certain conditions and requirements of the nations to come to worship the Lord annually, the people walking on the Earth that will be allowed to enter the NJ, I picture it as having to be on the earth's surface. This poses additional questions in my mind I cannot fully comprehend.

We are told the old heavens and earth will pass away with fervent heat, and new ones will be created. I speculate that will include the entire created cosmos, as the universe is part of creation and contaminated by Satan and sin.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

We are told our glorified bodies will resemble Jesus’s glorified body.

Perhaps the new Earth and atmosphere will be 100+ times bigger than the present; I do not know. Will our laws of physics created during creation week still apply to the new heavens and earth? If the NJ were grounded on the earth right now, what would that do with the stabilization of the planet by the mass and weight alone?

Today, if my dwelling place (abode-room-mansion) were assigned on the 1,432nd floor, I would have a problem with oxygen and altitude sickness. We are not told as much about our glorified bodies as I would like to know, for instance:

We are told Earth will be our eternal home. Will we require oxygen to live? If there is a vacuum in space, are we restricted to the planet's surface? We will still eat and enjoy it; the angels eat the food of angels, manna. Will it still be for nourishing our bodies or for pleasure, appreciation, and life? I have more questions than Carter had liver pills.

I agree with @other one, with the dimensional aspect of a higher dimension. I believe this was something lost because of the fall. In God's image, I think the spiritual and created families were meant to be one family and commingle.

How can two beings simultaneously be at the same place, and one not see, hear, touch, or sense the other (dimensional)?

 2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Since I am on the subject, I have noticed something that queued my interest recently. Eve, the bone of my bone, the flesh of my flesh of Adam, there is no mention of any blood in the Bible until Cain spills Able’s blood to the ground.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

As we all know, Jesus shed His blood on the cross for whosoever…

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

As mentioned, we will have glorified bodies like Jesus. Jesus still retained His wounds and scars—no mention of blood. In our physical bodies, blood delivers oxygen to the lungs, heals wounds, etc. I am not making any speculations, but I thought this was interesting.

 

[other one]

21 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, Angel’s, since you asked, you will need a good night's sleep and a pot of coffee to keep awake with this extended boring response. 

I think it is natural everyone wants to know as much as they can glean about their eternal home; I am no exception. As stated, the New Jerusalem will be a cube with exact dimensions of roughly 1,500 miles, depending on the furlong used.

I have previously wondered if the NJ will be in geocentric orbit, in space, or touching and grounded on the Earth. Unless it is totally symbolic, the foundation of the apostles needs something to anchor too physically. I realize Christ is our foundation and anchor; I am talking about physics as I know it.

Under certain conditions and requirements of the nations to come to worship the Lord annually, the people walking on the Earth that will be allowed to enter the NJ, I picture it as having to be on the earth's surface. This poses additional questions in my mind I cannot fully comprehend.

We are told the old heavens and earth will pass away with fervent heat, and new ones will be created. I speculate that will include the entire created cosmos, as the universe is part of creation and contaminated by Satan and sin.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

We are told our glorified bodies will resemble Jesus’s glorified body.

Perhaps the new Earth and atmosphere will be 100+ times bigger than the present; I do not know. Will our laws of physics created during creation week still apply to the new heavens and earth? If the NJ were grounded on the earth right now, what would that do with the stabilization of the planet by the mass and weight alone?

Today, if my dwelling place (abode-room-mansion) were assigned on the 1,432nd floor, I would have a problem with oxygen and altitude sickness. We are not told as much about our glorified bodies as I would like to know, for instance:

We are told Earth will be our eternal home. Will we require oxygen to live? If there is a vacuum in space, are we restricted to the planet's surface? We will still eat and enjoy it; the angels eat the food of angels, manna. Will it still be for nourishing our bodies or for pleasure, appreciation, and life? I have more questions than Carter had liver pills.

I agree with @other one, with the dimensional aspect of a higher dimension. I believe this was something lost because of the fall. In God's image, I think the spiritual and created families were meant to be one family and commingle.

How can two beings simultaneously be at the same place, and one not see, hear, touch, or sense the other (dimensional)?

 2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Since I am on the subject, I have noticed something that queued my interest recently. Eve, the bone of my bone, the flesh of my flesh of Adam, there is no mention of any blood in the Bible until Cain spills Able’s blood to the ground.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

As we all know, Jesus shed His blood on the cross for whosoever…

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

As mentioned, we will have glorified bodies like Jesus. Jesus still retained His wounds and scars—no mention of blood. In our physical bodies, blood delivers oxygen to the lungs, heals wounds, etc. I am not making any speculations, but I thought this was interesting.

 

Will we have his body after the resurrection or after his ascension?    If after his resurrection what of those who have been cremated or destroyed in explosions or fires.....   or fallen in the sea and become bottom feeder food.

Something to ponder.

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, angels4u said:

I can see the same, located between heaven and earth..

@Dennis1209  @AdHoc How do you both see this?

Interesting as we don't hear much about it..

I am the first to take the Bible literally. I only go to the allegorical when it (i) says so, (ii) it is obviously allegorical, and (iii) when it creates absurdities. I also take note of the introductory verses of each book for the setting. Here is Revelation 1:1;

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The Greek word rendered "signified" is the same word rendered "sign" elsewhere (e.g. John 2:11, 20:30). So the Holy Spirit prepares us that the things that John was to write could, or would be "signs". Much prophecy, like Daniel and Ezekiel, is written in "signs", but their fulfillment is literal. It is a very clever move because a picture says many words without taking up space.

Now, the New Jerusalem is a perfect case. God leaves basically one Chapter to show all His councils consummated. And instead of books being written, He gives a picture. And He makes it quite clear that any other way of handling this City will cause difficulty. To start off, it is at the same time, A City, A Wife, A Woman, God's House and a LIGHT. Immediately the literal must give way lest we produce an absurdity. The shape and size recorded is to show two things. It is a cube. The only other cube is the Holy of Holies. It is on earth but reaches to heaven. It is from heaven, making it heavenly, but placed on earth. And it says more. the Holy Place is missing - just like Ezekiel's Temple. Why? Because our Lord Jesus has fulfilled the Holy Place. (He is the LIGHT of the world, the BREAD of life and is the High Priest of heaven to carry our requests to God. The Lampstand, the Shewbread altar and the Golden altar are embodied and fulfilled in Christ.)

Its measurements are 12 - the number of God's people. 12 Tribes as gates and 12 Apostles that are the foundation of a high wall to keep out profane things - the fulfillment of "dressing and keeping Eden". But its measurement are likened to those of an angel - why? Because in Luke 20:35-36 men in resurrection are like the angels. That is why our Lord said the gates of Hades would not prevail against His Church, and also why the ladder in Jacob's dream at Bethel was set on earth. "Bethel"means House of God, and it was not angels that went up but men in resurrection. Angels are heavenly being and would not have started on earth, but what better way to convey this mystery than to have BOTH men in resurrection and becoming heavenly in one compact vision.

In the millennium our Lord Jesus will live in Jerusalem. Israel will serve Him. One of the services is to vet the Nations who go up annually to worship (Zech.14:16). So they REMAIN GATES to check if the unclean want to have audience with the Lord. And so on. Every facet of New Jerusalem shows God achieving a plan of His. It is one of the richest allegories of the whole Bible. It must be explained using the whole rest of the Bible.

[angels4u]

48 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, Angel’s, since you asked, you will need a good night's sleep and a pot of coffee to keep awake with this extended boring response. 

I think it is natural everyone wants to know as much as they can glean about their eternal home; I am no exception. As stated, the New Jerusalem will be a cube with exact dimensions of roughly 1,500 miles, depending on the furlong used.

I have previously wondered if the NJ will be in geocentric orbit, in space, or touching and grounded on the Earth. Unless it is totally symbolic, the foundation of the apostles needs something to anchor too physically. I realize Christ is our foundation and anchor; I am talking about physics as I know it.

Under certain conditions and requirements of the nations to come to worship the Lord annually, the people walking on the Earth that will be allowed to enter the NJ, I picture it as having to be on the earth's surface. This poses additional questions in my mind I cannot fully comprehend.

We are told the old heavens and earth will pass away with fervent heat, and new ones will be created. I speculate that will include the entire created cosmos, as the universe is part of creation and contaminated by Satan and sin.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

We are told our glorified bodies will resemble Jesus’s glorified body.

Perhaps the new Earth and atmosphere will be 100+ times bigger than the present; I do not know. Will our laws of physics created during creation week still apply to the new heavens and earth? If the NJ were grounded on the earth right now, what would that do with the stabilization of the planet by the mass and weight alone?

Today, if my dwelling place (abode-room-mansion) were assigned on the 1,432nd floor, I would have a problem with oxygen and altitude sickness. We are not told as much about our glorified bodies as I would like to know, for instance:

We are told Earth will be our eternal home. Will we require oxygen to live? If there is a vacuum in space, are we restricted to the planet's surface? We will still eat and enjoy it; the angels eat the food of angels, manna. Will it still be for nourishing our bodies or for pleasure, appreciation, and life? I have more questions than Carter had liver pills.

I agree with @other one, with the dimensional aspect of a higher dimension. I believe this was something lost because of the fall. In God's image, I think the spiritual and created families were meant to be one family and commingle.

How can two beings simultaneously be at the same place, and one not see, hear, touch, or sense the other (dimensional)?

 2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Since I am on the subject, I have noticed something that queued my interest recently. Eve, the bone of my bone, the flesh of my flesh of Adam, there is no mention of any blood in the Bible until Cain spills Able’s blood to the ground.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

As we all know, Jesus shed His blood on the cross for whosoever…

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

As mentioned, we will have glorified bodies like Jesus. Jesus still retained His wounds and scars—no mention of blood. In our physical bodies, blood delivers oxygen to the lungs, heals wounds, etc. I am not making any speculations, but I thought this was interesting.

 

Hi Dennis,

I find this topic so very interesting knowing we might arrive in the Millennial soon,it's the biggest gift we could ever receive,to live and rule and reign with Jesus forever !

I was wondering that when we reign with Jesus during the Millennial,we all have our mansion ,will it be be in the New Jerusalem? And where will that be,I think it will be hovering over earth?

Since we will be glorified , I don't think we have to worry about breathing and eating,remember we're in Jesus care, He ate fish with the disciples and could also show up all of a sudden or dissapear through walls,will we be like that? There's so much we don't know and maybe God doesn't want us to to know,one thing is sure,it will be glorious!