Do Christian Holidays (holy days) align with the scriptures?

[JohnD]

Blessings to all.

Setting aside the arguments for tradition in that "this is the way we've always dunnit, and that's good 'nuff for me..." 

That's fine, stand by your traditions. But for those who are interested in that there might be a difference between what God

intended and what man interpreted... please read on.

 

[JohnD]

Given the fact that all the Jewish feasts / holy days pointed to the coming Messiah Jesus in one aspect or another...

should the Church not been so hasty in eliminating them from the Christian calendar?

Traditions that have long been held by the Church generally have their origin in the Roman Catholic Church. 

As we are fast approaching one of the chiefest RCC holy days (Christ Mass / Christmas), it is unknown to most that

the day that Jesus was born is of no record whatsoever. Even the most detailed account in Luke's Gospel only gives generalities

which harrow it down to approximately the years 5-7 BCE.

And the account mentions shepherds out in the fields at night (which is almost never done in December due to the weather).

Further, John 1:14 may make a prophetic hint about the season of the year Jesus was born in the Greek stating that he

"tabernacled" among us... making the feast of tabernacles a more likely time of Jesus' birth.

It is a good prophetic representation of the incarnation itself how God pitched his flesh tent among us mortals.

It is historic fact that the decree for Christ Mass as the day of Jesus' birth carries no more weight than a papal decree to "Christianize"

the otherwise pagan winter feast Saturnalia (December 21 - 27 depending on the winter solstice that year).

[other one]

Do Christian Holidays (holy days) align with the scriptures?  "NO"

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Given the fact that all the Jewish feasts / holy days pointed to the coming Messiah Jesus in one aspect or another...

should the Church not been so hasty in eliminating them from the Christian calendar?

Traditions that have long been held by the Church generally have their origin in the Roman Catholic Church. 

As we are fast approaching one of the chiefest RCC holy days (Christ Mass / Christmas), it is unknown to most that

the day that Jesus was born is of no record whatsoever. Even the most detailed account in Luke's Gospel only gives generalities

which harrow it down to approximately the years 5-7 BCE.

And the account mentions shepherds out in the fields at night (which is almost never done in December due to the weather).

Further, John 1:14 may make a prophetic hint about the season of the year Jesus was born in the Greek stating that he

"tabernacled" among us... making the feast of tabernacles a more likely time of Jesus' birth.

It is a good prophetic representation of the incarnation itself how God pitched his flesh tent among us mortals.

It is historic fact that the decree for Christ Mass as the day of Jesus' birth carries no more weight than a papal decree to "Christianize"

the otherwise pagan winter feast Saturnalia (December 21 - 27 depending on the winter solstice that year).

I am not letting this get complicated. I acknowledge on Christmas Day that Jesus Christ was born on

this earth in Bethlehem. That is what a Christian called "Christmas". God sent his only begotten Son on this earth to Minister for approximately 33 years. Then He died on the Cross for my sins. I thank Jesus Christ everyday for shedding His blood and dying on the Cross for my sins. I thank God for sending His Son to this earth. I am not going to get into some really long difficult debate which I would need a PHD in Theology

to understand.

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by missmuffet

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Given the fact that all the Jewish feasts / holy days pointed to the coming Messiah Jesus in one aspect or another...

should the Church not been so hasty in eliminating them from the Christian calendar?

Traditions that have long been held by the Church generally have their origin in the Roman Catholic Church. 

As we are fast approaching one of the chiefest RCC holy days (Christ Mass / Christmas), it is unknown to most that

the day that Jesus was born is of no record whatsoever. Even the most detailed account in Luke's Gospel only gives generalities

which harrow it down to approximately the years 5-7 BCE.

And the account mentions shepherds out in the fields at night (which is almost never done in December due to the weather).

Further, John 1:14 may make a prophetic hint about the season of the year Jesus was born in the Greek stating that he

"tabernacled" among us... making the feast of tabernacles a more likely time of Jesus' birth.

It is a good prophetic representation of the incarnation itself how God pitched his flesh tent among us mortals.

It is historic fact that the decree for Christ Mass as the day of Jesus' birth carries no more weight than a papal decree to "Christianize"

the otherwise pagan winter feast Saturnalia (December 21 - 27 depending on the winter solstice that year).

Ya know, you bring up a good point, and that is that while celebrating Christ's birth on a particular day is not in the bible, the Jewish feast days are!  So if there is any reason to set aside particular days, it seems Jewish feast days would be a better reason than setting aside what we know as Christmas.  

Whatever purity there might have been once with Christmas (and how much is seriously debatable), overall the holiday has been largely corrupted by the leaven of the world.  (not saying it might not be a pure holiday to certain adherents, but overall)

[TheBlade]

4 hours ago, JohnD said:

Blessings to all.

Setting aside the arguments for tradition in that "this is the way we've always dunnit, and that's good 'nuff for me..." 

That's fine, stand by your traditions. But for those who are interested in that there might be a difference between what God

intended and what man interpreted... please read on.

 

Yeah not really lol. Just take the wise men.. they didn't arrive when Christ was still a baby and what they gave them.. .. was worth so much.  Paul talked about how some preach Christ and not for good reasons yet.. Christ is being preached.  Its the heart.. as one sis showed pictures.. happy birthday Jesus. Its all about Him.. then to keep going since there is no time or space where God is and 1000y can be as one day. Hmm then Christ just died .. rose days ago. The celebration has never stopped..  we allowed time to  steal so to speak it away with that came doubt

[kwikphilly]

7 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Yeah not really lol. Just take the wise men.. they didn't arrive when Christ was still a baby and what they gave them.. .. was worth so much.  Paul talked about how some preach Christ and not for good reasons yet.. Christ is being preached.  Its the heart.. as one sis showed pictures.. happy birthday Jesus. Its all about Him.. then to keep going since there is no time or space where God is and 1000y can be as one day. Hmm then Christ just died .. rose days ago. The celebration has never stopped..  we allowed time to  steal so to speak it away with that came doubt

That's right about when the Magi( wise men) it is Written in Matt 2:1 arrived in Jerusalen to see the child Jesus and most scholars suggest He was already 2yrs old by the time they arrived.... this is also where another tradition of men originated regarding " 12 days of Christmas"  ... Religious tradition I guess " invented " and called " the Epiphany"

So for myself and many other Born Again Believers ( like yourself) it's not a matter of " good enough for me" or " it's how we've always done it" - we certainly Know what is Written and there many of us that take into consideration other historical extra Biblical accounts as well but as you and I feel" Counting it as Joy because Christ is being preached"!

For our readers who do not know that Jesus wasn't actually born on December 25th well they just learned something- but the Truth is not hidden or some little kept secret for a select few,the Truth is Written in the Word of God for anyone to read for themselves- so if your looking for a specific date and time,you won't find it!So why wouldn't December 25th be just as good a day as any- is it so important to kill the Joy of others?For me I feel it casts more seeds of doubt as it did a younger immature me ...I was so confused at one time in my life and nit from my own due diligence and Revelation from Holy Spirit,no not at all but from Christians hammering and pounding my brain " How dare you have a tree in your living room when you know the Truth"! And Condemnation,accusation etc..... not saying that anyone here is doing that,nit at all--- stating facts & contextual Truth is fine- leave it there,it's good

Again,Holy Spirit- our Counselor,our Comforter is also the one Who Convicts our Hearts....so just follow wherever He Leads,pretty simple but do remember He is not the Accusor,He is nit a God of Confusion,He Does not Condemn, sacrifice & burnt offerings do not please Him -He Knows your heart....

You know many Christians get all bent out of shape over Halloween- they frown upon me that I give candy to little trick or treaters.... so the little ones that know nothing about anything should see the mean ole lady supposedly Representing Jesus has no candy for them?Do you know those little kids still stop by Kwiks house to say hello years later - one boy who is now in his 3os and a youth Pastor stopped by yesterday with a " Relgious " Christmas Card - made me cry with tears of Joy

Take this time,while the world is going about their business for all the wrong reasons to show them Jesus because it's an Opportunity- it might present you a Ministry Moment you'd not have except that they're looking at your decorations?

With love in Christ,Kwik

 

[Who me]

16 hours ago, JohnD said:

all the Jewish feasts / holy days pointed to the coming Messiah Jesus in one aspect or another...

And now that Jesus has come we don't  need to look forward to his coming.

What we should be doing is to live visible as Christian and so influe ce our neighbours etc.

[Hinds Feet]

1 hour ago, Who me said:

And now that Jesus has come we don't  need to look forward to his coming.

What we should be doing is to live visible as Christian and so influe ce our neighbours etc.

Yet, we should be looking forward to when He returns.  The Biblical Feast days could offer insight on this, just as Passover, First Fruits, and Pentecost all had significance to Christian events.  These feasts are God's appointments.  Concerning Christmas, it does have more relevance to the wise men who went to see Jesus.  In Rick Larson's film "The Star of Bethlehem", he makes a case the wise men may have arrived to see Jesus on the very date of Dec. 25th. (Based on what he believes may have been the star they were following)  I encourage everyone to watch it this year!

That said, I would love to see Christians take up celebrating the Feast Days within the Bible.  These holidays are more than just memorials, but are also rehearsals for future events.

[D. Adrien]

18 hours ago, Hinds Feet said:

That said, I would love to see Christians take up celebrating the Feast Days within the Bible.  These holidays are more than just memorials, but are also rehearsals for future events.

I agree. They depict the entire process of salvation for all of humanity that accepts the rulership of God.