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Few seem to realize this simple but obvious truth. The gentiles being able to be, to be part of, to be in, the body of Christ was hidden previous to being revealed through the Apostle Paul, exactly as Yahuweh's Word Says. It was beyond comprehension for ancient Hebrews/ Jewish thinking/ that the "dogs" (gentile pagans) in general could become such Ekklesia - born again, circumcised hearts, set apart, all by the will of the Father in heaven.

Test everything, always. There are many agendas, sometimes hidden.

Note that there are still, and always have been, "fiery trials" , since the first century, as written.... Suffering, persecution for all who stand up for the truth, beatings, arrests, humiliating treatment, scoffing, belittlement, accusations, torture, execution.

Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them. 1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. Acts 2:24 But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches. Romans 5:6 For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. From page at https://biblehub.com/romans/8-34.htm

Romans 8:34 ► Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

Amen. Another possible distinction is this: While living daily in union with Yeshua , echad, as the Son and the Father are echad, thus walking in the LIGHT, the darkness is readily exposed while in religion(s), darkness might actually be ruling ! ? and keeping people from recognizing the darkness, and stopping them from coming to Jesus ? There are many deceiving entities/demons out there, according to Scripture, and warnings about them, as maintaining our protection from them and not falling prey to them. In the LIGHT, which is JESUS, they are exposed easily, quickly, and dispersed / sent away. Not as if by our power, but by Jesus' Name and Jesus' Power, with the Father, echad.

Look again. After the beast system tells people /forces? /requires them/ to take the mark, those who refuse to take the mark are killed. So the True Christians, if there are any , who refuse to take the mark, are martyred, and won't be around until the resurrection. Those who receive the mark, children, adults, even if desperate , are forever condemned. They cannot repent. Receiving the mark is (apparently) the end result, not a spur of the moment decision, of trusting the government (or other agency or entity) for food and sustenance instead of trusting the Father in heaven. Those who receive the mark trust the government, or whatever, and will not be forgiven .

They may not be lying, just deceived. They might not even be Christians, so all must be tested and verified by two or three witnesses.

Thanks to the Father in heaven for simple, true testimony. All the myths about dna mix and other things related to that has deceived millions of people , for whatever reason (let's not guess). A lot of books and movies sold for a lot of money promoting those false doctrines and false teachings, and have been accepted widely by many , again for whatever reason. Don't fall for those tall tales, myths, so many. Stick with Scripture, plain and truth.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know Him,...... -------------------------------- Concerning the world at large, including priests and pastors and scientists and medical professionals and entertainment etc etc in contrast with the Ekklesia born of he Father from heaven according to all Scripture: 1 John 5:19 Study Bible Concluding Remarks …18We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him. 19We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one. 20And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true—in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.… Berean Study Bible · Download =========================================== concerning the source of Scripture: Galatians 1:11-12 New International Version (NIV) Paul Called by God 11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. ========================================== concerning the source of true wisdom (not like the world's as noted below this) : Ecclesiastes 9:16 Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard. 1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. ==================================== concerning man's wisdom and knowledge (of the world/ science/ finance/ government/ medical/ etc etc ) Study Bible Worldly Wisdom 18Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become a fool, so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” 20And again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”… Berean Study Bible · Download ----------- 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 1 Corinthians 4:6 Brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written. Then you will not take pride in one man over another. Ephesians 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming. James 3:15 Such wisdom does not come from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. ----------------------------- 1 Corinthians 3 New International Version (NIV) The Church and Its Leaders 3 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? ------------------------------- Romans 1 God's Wrath on Unrighteousness 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. ---------------------- Study Bible Spiritual Wisdom …13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.… Berean Study Bible · Download ---------------------- John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. ------------------------ Direct comparison of earthly vs from heaven >>> Two Kinds of Wisdom 13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness. New International Version (NIV) Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide. ========================================= There is likely a hundred more Scripture references to illustrate the terrible knowledge and "wisdom" of mankind which is opposed to God and God's Way, vs the true wisdom from above, that the world (both religious and non-religious) does not see and cannot see. (does not even seek )

p.s. They speak in English. :) the text is German ..... The FIRST THIRTY SECONDS are the best and most important ! HALLELUYAH ! MARANANTHA JESUS !

You are not understanding what Scripture says, nor the power of God. "We" (humans) , ARE NOT USING OUR INTELLECT to find out how things work in line with God's Word at all. No. God's Word says all the knowledge and wisdom OF MAN is opposed to HIM, as it leads people astray continually. Historically and in fact, the "church" you are referring to is pernicious (death dealing), and not Christlike. They always opposed the true Gospel of Jesus, and are the enemy of Jesus, so no so-called "knowledge" they come up with is life-giving , no, it is always death dealing, hypocrisy, and deceptive. (according to God's Word) Naturally, all those living under a false gospel or other worldly deception, approve of the deception and even seem to depend on it and maybe even delight in it.

COOL! I cannot get the stray cats here to tell me their names - how did you get Sam to tell you his name ? :)

You don't know my position. Nothing you quoted shows anything I posted is violating or contradicting any Scripture.

It is not the "foundation of our minds" (perhaps find another way to say this?) and the truth is not known to everyone who claims to know the truth, nor is the Word of God accepted by most people at all.

Maybe not always. The last 'big' revival of note (in contrast and comparison) was the toronto laughing debacle (but accepted as a "move of god" all around the world) and THAT so-called revival ruined fellowships around the world that had been in place for years or decades and had apparently been doing well, until the toronto false spirit came upon them.... LIkewise, in these last days we live in, the enemy has amassed an unbelievable number of people (in 'church') to do his bidding, and to FAKE a REVIVAL, which will deceive even more multitudes around the world, and will kill the true believers, without mercy and without justice. It will be called a revival. It will be called good (by all the world). It will be deadly for almost everyone.

I posted what I mean. Most people don't read the Bible. Even fewer understand the truth. The Ekklesia today are abiding in Jesus today, living daily in union with the Son and with the Father, as written. This is wonderful grace, sheer grace, unimaginable life to those of the world (the natural mind cannot grasp it nor understand it at all).

THIS may be the flatly false statement. Ken may be right. Last I heard (years ago), most if not all of his opponents have been proven wrong (wrong spirit mostly, and wrong 'facts').

Jesus told the disciples to "Listen when they teach TORAH (Scripture)" BUT (very important) DO NOT LIVE LIKE THEY LIVE........ (the religious teachers opposed to Jesus).... So it is sometimes that a church might have someone "preaching" something to listen to, (Scripture), BUT living as hypocrites just like the religious leaders Jesus referred to often, and warned against (the leaven of the religious teachers) . Thankfully, for clarity, most preachers in most churches do not preach from Scripture, so it is then easier to avoid those ones.

"Wherever two or three (or twelve or two hundred) are gathered IN MY NAME, THERE AM I in the midst of them" Even (or more often?) when they are babes in Christ, not strong, not even friends yet - only IN CHRIST , with no denom barrier between God and them nor between each other. When Jesus is in the midst of them, this is known by those watching , even enemies sometimes testify "they have been with God" .....

Amen! Most all the world, and churches, SIN WITHOUT A LICENSE, and without repentance. (thus lost)

He told even the unbelievers some of the same as He told the Apostles and disciples for the purpose that they will be judged righteously and they will have no excuse - they cannot say they have not heard the truth when Jesus did tell them.

Sure anyone can, if they choose to.

(taking this post quote by itself, without knowing nor referencing the previous posts in the thread) What an amazing promise and yet it's not taught in the churches (nor forums). Don't you realize that what Jesus did we (Ekklesia) can do too! (I'm still unlearning (and fighting against) the junk from denominations myself!) Yes! Part of the sin of the churches and forums worldwide is trusting pharmakeia. This guarantees a curse. Thus, to be free of the curse, simply repent of trusting that which is opposed to God, turn to God, Himself, and trust Him, call on Him, for HE IS FAITHFUL AND TRUE! men are wrong and sinful.

Anyone who rejects Yahushua, also rejects Yahuweh. As written in Scripture. There is no hope for the *&popes*& they are always opposed to the truth, they are always sons of disobedience. Scholarship in one of their schools means nothing except proficiency in sinning and in error and in defending what is wrong and promoting it.