Happinessity
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I think the Christian charitable heart prays for those who suffer mentally. And especially for those who are considering taking their own life to alleviate the pain they feel. I can never second guess someone in such straits. And I don't think it fair to ostracize people from speaking openly about what they may know personally as pertains to the condition. And most certainly not appropriate is threatening them with report and banning by every expendable effort, just to get them to shut up.
Brain chemistry is a fact of life and science that has been long known for generations. It is God's blessing that psychiatry is finding ways to identify what occurs in those chemical processes that make people feel as they do when they're mentally unwell. Being open to that understanding helps people. Threatening to shut it down when spoken of does not.
Let's all remember we are one in Christ. And show compassion for one another. As we treat one another so too do we treat Christ. God be with those who struggle.
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20 hours ago, Wolf Bridges said:
Thank you.
Thank you for the support.
That isn't a scripture supporting your prior statement that we're all discussing here. The world was created by God so that we could judge the angels.
You're welcome to the support.
Too often we gloss over someone's express question in order to reiterate our own point.
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19 hours ago, OneLight said:
None of these posts says women cannot work in ministry. Some say they cannot hold specific offices, but never a blanket statement like you claim.
Of course that isn't true as one can discern when they read through the links. Claiming blanket statement doesn't offset the evidence that there are posts that say exactly that. Women can't be pastors. Which we all know of course is a service God calls people to.
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19 hours ago, BobRyan said:
Agreed. We know from 1 Cor 6 that the saints will in fact judge the fallen angels - but no Bible text says that the world was created for that purpose - that I know of.
Well there is certainly room for logic, common sense, reason ... in formulating a doctrine/opinion/preference - but even then it should be 'tested' by the Bible to see if it is contradicting the Bible. If your local church says that everyone who sits on the platform and leads out each week - must wear red shoes - that "custom" or rule or practice does not violate some Bible doctrine and so would be "allowed" - but it also does not allow it to elevate to the level of "scripture" or "divine command" or ...
I know of no scripture to that effect either. It really doesn't even make sense that the sole reason God created the world was so that humans, being the journey we have to travel from birth unto death, sin, sinners, redemption, rebirth, then allows us to judge angels that are not in sin?
I think the proposal became insolvent when the justification for it was, "common sense".
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19 hours ago, OneLight said:
I placed in bold and underlined the blanket statement. From that point, I read that you were talking about all services and not any specific service, which is why I said ti was a blanket statement.
As for certain official positions, scripture speaks for itself.
Your blanket statement not withstanding?
Scripture does speak for itself. And nowhere does God say women can't be pastors.
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18 hours ago, Spock said:
Any Prejudice against women is misogyny. I will not stand by idly and watch women be treated like second class citizens. They are not! Certainly not IN CHRIST!
Ask the WW2 survivors how important women were to the war cause? If they can run the factories and make airplanes and ships, they can also teach the word of God to me. I will listen to any Spirit filled woman any day of the week.
Heck, why do you think God made woman anyhow? Because he realized he made a mistake making man and He wanted to perfect his error. Hehe
LOL
Great words brother.
I don't think we have to defend God's plan for women. I think those that argue God shows prejudice toward women should be ashamed. We are all one in Christ. Any other time that would settle it. God said it, I believe it, and that's it. That's typically how it goes with us bible believers. Except for this case of women pastors.
It's nonsense. People don't agree with a woman being a pastor that's their fault letting their prejudice second guess God. God calls whom he will to serve. Do we really think God looks at the world and says, aw shucks, she can't spread the word of my son because I made her female! Next?
That's man's thinking. Not God's. We can't know the mind of God. God says that in his word. And yet there are those of us who second guess God on the issue of women pastors.
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4 minutes ago, worthy said:
This thread is not about women pastors.
That is correct. It is about misogyny. Which can be a factor in those strongly opposed to women being pastors.
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3 minutes ago, OneLight said:
None of these posts says women cannot work in ministry. Some say they cannot hold specific offices, but never a blanket statement like you claim.
Blanket statement? I refuted Running Gators claim on first page and his statement about women pastors. And from there as it progressed to that of women being called in service to God. Which includes women pastors. Therefore, you're wrong about the content of those posts in the link I afforded using the keyword search here to find threads wherein women pastors have been the topic, "women pastors".
And those results show there is opposition to women being called in service as pastors by God.
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2 minutes ago, Davida said:
So? it's ok to label others "naïve, ignorant and arrogant"?
"So?"
Fascinating.
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11 minutes ago, Davida said:
What is labelling others as naïve, ignorant and arrogant called?
That which will answer to God.
For arguing their prejudice knows the mind of the eternal through that lens.
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9 minutes ago, OneLight said:
Can you show me where anyone on this site ever said that women cannot be called into service by God?
For some reason the search page of over 1,100 results won't post the full link so that I can cut and paste. But if you search all forum for "women pastors" you'll find plenty of posts.I posted a copy of the first search page being the link to search results doesn't show in the browser window.
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Happinessity replied to creativemechanic's topic in General Discussion
...Interesting that a topic of misogyny has a man introducing the topic ofwomen being unfit to pastor due to their gender. That's not misogyny necessarily though misogyny can be a component on an individual basis. It is however, a gender prejudice. Especially when neither Jesus nor God said that wome... -
I am new here and after reading through many threads, I know in advance that I am going to be in the minority with the following point of view. Of course I didn't read each and every thread, so maybe there are some others here that believe the same as I do. For a little back ground, I was once...
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...People can say that claimingwomen aren't fit for thepastors seat, an example from this thread, is misogyny. When that can be the underlying motive in someone who says that, it isn't actually what the embodies the meaning of the word misogyny itself.
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...but why choosewomenpastors? We all know its a huge topic of debate.
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...pastors, rabbis, evangelists, etc. The Sabbath day was NEVER changed to Sunday. Not that it was bad to come together on Sundays, any day of the week is a good time to come together. It just became customary for the believers in the first century to come together on the “first day of the week” like...
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How many threads has this been debated in?? you know what I will say to you, we've done this dance before. Take it up with the Word of God if you disagree. I'm too tired to take time to type words that are just a repeat from other threads & it will just be ignored by those that will make excuses to...
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My thoughts onwomen's role in the Church, from my Blog: "WarriorWomen: The Role ofWomen in the Church There is a major move in Church, withwomen now leading and preaching. There are warriorwomen who want to pray and preach. There are some resisting this, taking Paul's words out...
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...Since the subordination ofwomen was part of the curse, we no longer have to live with that set-up today. In fact, if we do, we are not honouring Christ and his work on the cross. So why is it that many churches persist in treatingwomen like second-class citizens? I think it has to do with...
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Ifwomen were to have the Exact same role as a men as far as Teaching , Pastoring then why then didn't Jesus pick 6women to be His disciples? Why not 2 or 1 even? The Jewish culture at the time would not have held Him back if that was HIS desire, for He is the Son of God, Jesus could have appointe...
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JohnD replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A
In another thread I wrote in response to one who found themselves resentingpastors... ---------------------------------------- Well... You probably need to go into ministry. You see, Christianity has been hijacked by the Roman Empire (which morphed into Roman Catholicis... -
Willa replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A
I agree thatwomen can teach young boys, girls andwomen. We have male leaders for middle and high school, and it is needed because middle school boys can be disruptive. The boys need a male example at this time, and many don't have one at home. I think a couple in leadership is optimal. S... -
...Women had a very subservient role in the time of Christ. Jesus flew in the face of that and hadwomen in his company of Apostles. Thewomen traveled with him , thewomen were at the foot of the cross when he died. Andwomen carried forth the ministry after he departed. Pastor doesn't appear i...
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...do you have your point of view about "womenPastors"? im aware of Paul's scriptures about "" teachers, bishops, and "silence in the church" just like you are, but, what is your POV about it, as everyone has one, ive noticed. MIne is......just as soon as a woman can become the "Husband of...
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...The argument that Paul is speaking of allwomen is a misunderstanding of scripture and culture of the time. Paul was speaking to one church, not the universal church. It doesn't follow that Paul would say that we are all one in Christ and there is no division. And then later create division b...
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Spock replied to Heavenunlimited's topic in General Discussion
...but on another thread you basically said PAUL doesn't allow forwomen to bepastors (even though Jesus did not say they couldn't be), and then here you say Jesus never spoke in tongues, so why should we? Although Paul did speak in tongues, and even encouraged people to seek the gift. Correct... -
...it could be argued that thewomen who followed Him were disciples as well. 2. Where does the Bible saywomen are not to be "pastors"? Put the word "pastor" in a Bible search, and let me know how many times you even see the word "pastor" and what these verses imply is the job of a pastor!...
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...In that sensewomen could be included as disciples. But Jesus chose 12 men to the leaders of the Church, to be Apostles. We have no record of the female disciples every starting churches or in any kind of leadership such as pastor. We have no records of sermons preached by female disciples of J...
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Riccardo replied to Heavenunlimited's topic in General Discussion
...As forwomenpastors once again don't read into something that Jesus did not say as an affirmative. How big would the Bible have to be if that were the case. God Bless brother -
...I found one of thepastors who was in the church and asked him if it was appropriate for me to wear t shirt and shorts, like he was wearing. He confirmed that it was. I felt better about myself. Modesty, excessive concern about it only leads to individuals eventually wantingwomen conf...
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Your Brother In Christ posted a question in Worthy Q & A
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RustyAngeL replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A
...women are not to be over men in the church. There are many wonderful teachers that arewomen. I have no problem with that. However to be leaders, such aspastors, deacons.... NO. -
JohnD replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A
...I believe the Bible interprets it thatwomen can teach otherwomen and children of both genders (til the males reach adulthood). But that's when there is not a drastic shortage of malepastors / teachers. My point and premise is that we in the Body Christian are all priests of God but we:... -
...I would caution though that you not attempt to take your opinion that is against God's calling ofwomenpastors and make remarks that present your point of view as one of intolerance and entitlement to judge the whole of the faith and those in service to. Because they are female and in positions of...
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missmuffet replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A
The Bible tells us thatwomen should not bePastors. Although they can take a teaching roll in the Church. 1 Timothy 2:11-14
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22 hours ago, worthy said:
Ok I understand,but why choose women pastors? We all know its a huge topic of debate.
Good point. Interesting that a topic of misogyny has a man introducing the topic of women being unfit to pastor due to their gender. That's not misogyny necessarily though misogyny can be a component on an individual basis. It is however, a gender prejudice. Especially when neither Jesus nor God said that women would never be called by God to serve as pastors.
The text that gender prejudice typically uses to defend itself is where Paul made remarks about women remaining quiet in church. That has nothing to do with pastoral duties. Further, it would be absurd to invoke Paul as articulating gender prejudice under guidance from God's holy spirit, when it is also believed under guidance from God's holy spirit Paul said there is no Greek, nor Jew, nor any other thing that separates us because we are all one in Christ Jesus. That declaration would be erroneous if it was to be inferred to sustain gender prejudice by saying instead, "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. But you are segregated by gender if women think to preach because they can't. Because they're women!"
Which is what gender prejudice attempts to promote of itself when making that stipulation against the oneness of all faithful in Christ.
It just doesn't comport with the truth of Christ.
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On 5/13/2017 at 4:48 PM, simplejeff said:
Not at all, the demons flee when resisted even - even satan flees when resisted.
Just like if you see a thief outside in your front yard at night, and turn the flood lights or porch light(s) on, and they run away.
But if you leave the garage door, the back door, a side window open for the thief to get in,
he sure will be thankful for you making it so easy, eh?
Likewise, if you do what is harmful to yourself, tricked by man, or by demons, or by your own sin,
you will be violated/ impure/ dis-eased/ sick/ ill/ discomforted, etc etc etc...
Likewise if you are in the name it and claim it group(s), you will be in for quite a devastating shock soon.
The enemy TRICKS people, all of society, and directs their thoughts and actions , opposed to CHRIST JESUS.
Many who are RELIGIOUS think they have overcome the enemy,
but in fact have given in to him, often in many ways right along with their own family and church and friends.
When they open the door to the enemy,
if they refuse the deliverence/ truth/ power of JESUS,
the enemy may (and as it is often does) have PERMISSION, legally, to hurt them with disease, troubles, etc etc etc
Interesting observation in the latter part of your post. That hearkens back to the thread here that asks is God responsible for Satan's actions. It seems there you're saying, yes. Because you believe the devil and his demons have permission to legally hurt the saints of Christ with disease, troubles, etc...
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20 hours ago, Zemke said:
I think this derives from a misunderstanding of discernment. We end up equating discernment with criticism. At times discerning circles do move into a critical mode but the heart of discernment is being able to stand firm. The armor in Ephesians 6. Stand firm.
The radical in this life is the Christian. Everything in this world is built on an anti christ worldly perspective. If it were not for the living God reaching out to humanity, evil would rule and we would smell blood every day until our own is shed. Think about it.
All religion has it's roots in Babel. All of it. God called Abraham and Abraham believed. It's the distinction that makes all the difference. This isn't some past time of thought and philosophy on having a good life until we die. It's pure and true from a holy and loving creator who will return and put all things right. "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God." That's what's at the heart of discernment. A mixture is no good.
"May your love abound more and more in real knowledge and all discernment." Phil. 1:9.
Jude speaks of hating the garment spotted with the flesh right in the context of love, it's about love, and yes we all get carried away at times but I really believe most of us desire to speak these things in love. Difficult task on a message board but we keep trying.
Yes, there is a difference between discernment and criticism. My observation encircled the latter.
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20 hours ago, OneLight said:
Scripture shows us who can and cannot be leaders in the church. If you disagree with what is said, you are calling the writers of scripture naive and ignorant and arrogant. You realize this, don't you?
No, I'm calling the people who think to interpolate the scriptures to say women can't be called to service by God, when scriptures show that is not the case, naive, ignorant, and arrogant. And prideful thinking their ego's know more than does God. As if God would deliver the message that we're all one in Christ and then say, but because we're women he'd never see us fit to preach his word. Speaking for God in a way that denotes prejudice is far worse than naive.
You realize this, don't you?
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32 minutes ago, BobRyan said:
Good question -- Posted in response to this --
The response to that good question, and thank you for saying so, would have to be supported by scripture don't you think? Scripture that says the world was created so that people could judge the angels?
The common sense defense wouldn't hold in any other discussion about scriptural declarations or inferences would it?
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I'll bump your talk here. There's a thread about persecution of Christians in the middle east. Being Orthodox Christians are among those being targeted by the evil there I thought this would maybe personalize the issue a little more. Being evangelicals are converting to a faith that is targeted in the ME. If it will happen there I don't think any Christian is safe when evil is entering into western countries through the refugee programs. And by other means.
We've suffered terrorist attacks by ISIS in America already. God forbid Christians are targeted here as they are in the Middle East.
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It is a real tragedy that more churches aren't in the news speaking out against this evil. Thank God we have a president in office now who does care and will hopefully help to stop this wickedness from continuing. God's peace is with all Christians who have been brutally murdered by the wicked in the middle east.
God protect the family of Christ there.
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The home isn't the issue here.
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1 minute ago, creativemechanic said:
Let's not take it there. Apple's and oranges
Too bad you didn't think to post that to the one who asked me the question.
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Great addition. Thank you.
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Has it occurred to anyone else? This entire thread's base question is, what are the ways and reasons we can look down on others who call themselves Christian when we do not approve them that title?
Anybody?
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16 hours ago, trusty said:
most churches have special days for mother, father, ect.. it only serves to make some feel left out. as Paul says I'm afraid of you..
is this being overly sensitive? avoiding services on these days is my option.
I think so yes.
If it wasn't for the mother or father of each of us we'd not be here by God's will to undertake the question.
Honor your father and mother. Why would that be an issue? Especially one that would cause someone to not attend church on the day it happens there.
Too many kids today don't honor their mother or father. They're out of control and sinking deeply into the traps of the world.
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On 4/23/2017 at 1:07 AM, Starlight77 said:
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This question appears to be moving along without you.Going by the subject line , I'd say it is God's decision. His mercy that would be the issue for someone who took their own life. I personally do not think I have any capacity to take God's seat as judge in such matters. I feel sympathy for anyone who feels so lost they leave their life by their own hand. And to that I pray God has mercy.
Too often we gloss over someone's express question in order to reiterate our own point.
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The challenges of evolving into technological dependence. There's a lesson behind all this.
Years ago there was a movie I caught by chance. A blackout occurred in this neighborhood and spanned quite a ways but not the whole U.S.. The people in this one neighborhood panic and think the worst because the power doesn't come on right away. The blackout lasts something like the weekend. Meanwhile, we get to see just how dependent we are on one resource; electricity.
They can't get fuel at the local stations. They can't get cash from the bank ATM. One man's son has asthma and they can't get his inhaler from the pharmacy because the computer doesn't bring up the boys account. Which is ridiculous in that case because the pharmacist knew the family so he could have just given the boy the ability to breathe.
There are no lights. But there are phones, because electricity outage doesn't effect those. But what was weird in the movie plot is that wasn't brought up. It just showed how people panic when the power went out.
Think about that. We're told our grid in the U.S. is very primitive compared to some countries. Imagine a hit on the electric grid in the U.S. . What that would do to America itself. This with the computers is one thing. But that? Yikes. Someone out there is showing us just how vulnerable we are. God help us.