Communion - Bread and Wine

[mizzdy]

Ok, I must not be understanding. I got as far as this:

Keeping the Sabbath is a part of the 10 commandments law (Exodus 20:8). The 10 C's law was between three parties. They were God, Moses, and the other Israelites (Exodus 34:27). Being Gentiles we have no part in this covenent.

and I went

I mean, if we Gentiles have no part in that covenant and therefore Sabbath-keeping is not for Gentiles - what about the rest of the 10 Commandments? Is it ok for Gentiles to steal and kill and lie and covet and commit adultery?

Feeling a bit freaked out here...

hi Sheya joie, all men are under moral obligation to rest one day out of seven, but the sabbath day the Jews keep is not mandatory to Christians who are free to choose a diferent day, and many of whom live on the other side of the world making it literally impossible to keep.

Remember it is sundown to sundown or 6pm to 6 pm on the seventh day but that would not be the seventh day that God is watching on the other side of the world.

Jesus points out that the Preists work on the sabbath, and so also Pastors today rest on another day other than the common day observed by the congregation.

The 4th commandment is kept in spirit and truth by those who rest from their labours and join in fellowship one day out of every seven, that is why scripture says "let no man judge you concerning days"

As for the other 9 they too are kept by Christians but not as part of the old covenant.

I hope this helps

So by your account its ok to pick and choose what you want to obey? What commandments do you suppose God means when He says this,

If you love Me you will keep My commandments, or when He says those who entered into the Kingdom are the ones who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua?

Where does God say I will make a covenant with Israel and they will be Mine and a covenant with gentiles that says 'go ahead and divide up and obey what you want' where is the covenant with gentiles? I would like a direct quote from scripture from Messiah Himself that says He came to make a covenant with the gentiles, a direct quote from scripture please.

Do you think God is so small that He doesn't know people live all over the world that love Him and obey Him that He is so small that if we are not all in the same time zone that it negates His command to keep the Sabbath?

The priets are doing Gods work, they are not working for gain, for anything other than God and He said it was ok for the priest to be in the temple on the Sabbath, theres even a verse that talks about it but off hand I have forgotten where its at.

Would someone please show me a verse that God changed everything? Can someone show me in scripture where God said to choose what you want to obey of His words well we can choose to disobey but that is not what I am asking. I also would like to know where God said the commandments were given to Jews, and I understand that the word Jew is used in the NT but not when God gave the laws He gave them to His called children, His called out congregation, His church.

And as a disclaimer I am not judging anyone at all just trying to understand where all these new revelations are I can't find them in any bible I have read although I can find plenty of stuff in mens writings. Just trying to understand why we are to follow 9 laws but not all 10, why God says He will make a covenant with Judah and Israel when He gathers them at His coming again and they will be with Him forevermore. If gentiles are not grafted into Israel then they are not His thats what scriptures says isn't it?

[Joshua-777]

Communion - Bread and Wine evolved into Sabbath? .... the things that make you go hmmmm.

[Botz]

Communion - Bread and Wine evolved into Sabbath? .... the things that make you go hmmmm.

Hmmmm

[RevelationWriter]

~ Don't Repent

Did Jesus tell His Disciples to Repent of their sins,

Before He Gave them The Bread as His Body and The Wine of His Blood?

Nooo.

- But, disciples were examine themselves

to see if they were treating The Bread & The Wine in an unworthy manner.

Have you ever seen anyone disreguard The Bread And The Wine

in an unworthy manner as they did in those Scriptures?

Jesus said, Do This In Remembrance Of Me.

Not in remembrance of your Sins!

[sheya joie]

Ok, I must not be understanding. I got as far as this:

Keeping the Sabbath is a part of the 10 commandments law (Exodus 20:8). The 10 C's law was between three parties. They were God, Moses, and the other Israelites (Exodus 34:27). Being Gentiles we have no part in this covenent.

and I went

I mean, if we Gentiles have no part in that covenant and therefore Sabbath-keeping is not for Gentiles - what about the rest of the 10 Commandments? Is it ok for Gentiles to steal and kill and lie and covet and commit adultery?

Feeling a bit freaked out here...

hi Sheya joie, all men are under moral obligation to rest one day out of seven, but the sabbath day the Jews keep is not mandatory to Christians who are free to choose a diferent day, and many of whom live on the other side of the world making it literally impossible to keep.

Remember it is sundown to sundown or 6pm to 6 pm on the seventh day but that would not be the seventh day that God is watching on the other side of the world.

Jesus points out that the Preists work on the sabbath, and so also Pastors today rest on another day other than the common day observed by the congregation.

The 4th commandment is kept in spirit and truth by those who rest from their labours and join in fellowship one day out of every seven, that is why scripture says "let no man judge you concerning days"

As for the other 9 they too are kept by Christians but not as part of the old covenant.

I hope this helps

Actually, I was (and still am) hoping that Uncle Abee would come back and address my concern there.

[OneLight]

~ Don't Repent

Did Jesus tell His Disciples to Repent of their sins,

Before He Gave them The Bread as His Body and The Wine of His Blood?

Nooo.

- But, disciples were examine themselves

to see if they were treating The Bread & The Wine in an unworthy manner.

Have you ever seen anyone disreguard The Bread And The Wine

in an unworthy manner as they did in those Scriptures?

Jesus said, Do This In Remembrance Of Me.

Not in remembrance of your Sins!

What do you believe Paul meant when he said to examine yourself? Examine yourself to find what? What is the unworthy manner?

1 Corinthians 11:28 "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup."

[other one]

Communion - Bread and Wine evolved into Sabbath? .... the things that make you go hmmmm.

Hmmmm

you know, the more time I spend reading through threads here, the more I understand why we have so many different denominations.....

[OneLight]

Communion - Bread and Wine evolved into Sabbath? .... the things that make you go hmmmm.

Hmmmm

you know, the more time I spend reading through threads here, the more I understand why we have so many different denominations.....

Yes, it is far easier to find people who believe as we do then it is to find the real truth.

[rickrussell]

Okay...I am NOT a new Christian...I'm a preachers kid brought up in a Brethren church and currently attend another non denominational church. In my life as Christian I have always been confused by communion. In the Brethren churches it is a very closed meeting that takes place before the 'family bible hour' meeting. In the 'closed' meeting they partake of bread and wine every Sunday, and that is when offering is taken as well. You must be baptised to take part in this meeting, and there is more...living your life to a certain standard before God. If you have been convicted of a sin such as molesting a child or something big like that you would be told that you cannot attend the closed communion meeting.

In the church I attend now, and in most churches today the communion is open to all and no questions are asked. But doesn't the Bible tell us somewhere that to do it this way can make the congregation sick? I have a huge hang up with communion and really search myslef well before partaking...and most times do not partake. Sometimes GOd slaps me upside the head and TELLS me to take of it, but most times I am just confused about wether I will be causing more harm thatn good by taking it (heart not in the right place, rough week, sins in the previous week (not big ones, but sins nonetheless) )

Anyway I know there are some wise people on here from many denominations...what is your take...when should, or shouldn't one partake in communion?

Paul refers to , Mainly the deadly sins, That lead to death, Adultry, Murder, witchcraft, fornacation etc.

I decided to just take communion , bread and wine in my home dailey. Lord cleance me of All sin. Amen

[RevelationWriter]

~ Don't Repent

Did Jesus tell His Disciples to Repent of their sins,

Before He Gave them The Bread as His Body and The Wine of His Blood?

Nooo.

- But, disciples were examine themselves

to see if they were treating The Bread & The Wine in an unworthy manner.

Have you ever seen anyone disreguard The Bread And The Wine

in an unworthy manner as they did in those Scriptures?

Jesus said, Do This In Remembrance Of Me.

Not in remembrance of your Sins!

What do you believe Paul meant when he said to examine yourself? Examine yourself to find what? What is the unworthy manner?

1 Corinthians 11:28 "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup."

"When you come together in one place it is not to eat The Lord's Supper.

FOR In Eating Each One Takes His Own Supper Ahead 0f The Others And

One Is Hungery And Another Is DRUNK. WHAT !

Do you not have houses to Eat And Drink In? Or Do You Despise The Church Of God

And SHAME Those Who Have Nothing? What Shall I Say To You? Shall I Praise You In This?

I Do Not Praise You.....THEREFORE Who Ever EATS Thise Bread and DRINKS This Cup

0f The Lord's In An Unworthy Manner Will Be Guilty 0f The Body and The Blood 0f The Lord.

Let A Man Examine himself and so let him EAT 0f That Bread and DRINK 0f That Cup.

FOR he who EATS and DRINKS IN AN UNWORTHY (MANNER) EATS and DRINKS Judgment to himself

NOT DESCERNING THE LORD'S BODY".

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Edited December 17, 2010 by RevelationWriter