not guilty

[other one]

 

 

The one voice we don't hear is Martin's. People seem to feel very free to accuse him of just about everything, to malign his name and to rubbish his memory. He remains silent in the tomb.

 

Only because the judge would not allow Travon's record to be used as evidence.

 

 

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no, the sad thing was that Travon wont have the chance to learn to live up to his potential.....   but that was caused by himself and the way he was being raised,

 

If I had a 17 year old son that had been kicked out school for theft, and was on suspension for drug usage, he would not be walking around at night by himself.   And considering my neighbors had been broken into by people who resembled my son, I'd be very foolish not to take him to the store

Edited July 16, 2013 by Steve_S

[JDavis]

 

 

So he was following Martin because he felt Martin was just a kid walking to his girl friends house?  I don't think so.   Zimmerman thought he was suspicious, suspicious in the way of a criminal.  that is why he followed him. 

 

If you father would do so, I hope for his sake he is better able to handle himself than Zimmerman was.

 

 

 

No, he was following Martin for the reasons I have already stated....suspicious behaviour. You don't let suspicious people get out of eyesight. You help the police by keeping track of their whereabouts. It doesn't mean you dog them, but it does mean you keep your distance---which he was doing.

 

My father refused to take a job where a gun was required. He would have called the police and stayed a safe distance.

 

suspicious behavior?  what suspicious behavior?  acting like a criminal suspicious behavior.    that is why you call the police, because the activity looks suspiciously like criminal activity. 

 

glad your father is much smarter than Zimmerman.  Just think, if Zimmerman had acted in a manner like your father would have, we would not have a dead teen.

[Steve_S]

It seems this particular topic has went around in circles for a little while. It will be unlocked and can continue as long as there's forward movement on it. There were a few posts that were less than edifying that I have removed. I realize that this is an incredibly heated topic and that emotions run hot. I'd ask that we approach this prayerfully and in a controlled manner. 

 

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[ayin jade]

 

 

Appears as if the only one who acted as a mob was George Zimmerman, who went out patrolling with a gun on his person.

 

He wasn't PATROLLING. He was on his way for groceries.

 

 

and Target stores are known for their extreme danger, which I guess is why he was packing the heat.  only a fool would to go a Target unarmed. 

 

My sis in law was kidnapped outside a walmart store and nearly murdered. Dont think its safe going to target either.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

So he was following Martin because he felt Martin was just a kid walking to his girl friends house?  I don't think so.   Zimmerman thought he was suspicious, suspicious in the way of a criminal.  that is why he followed him. 

 

If you father would do so, I hope for his sake he is better able to handle himself than Zimmerman was.

 

 

 

No, he was following Martin for the reasons I have already stated....suspicious behaviour. You don't let suspicious people get out of eyesight. You help the police by keeping track of their whereabouts. It doesn't mean you dog them, but it does mean you keep your distance---which he was doing.

 

My father refused to take a job where a gun was required. He would have called the police and stayed a safe distance.

 

suspicious behavior?  what suspicious behavior?  acting like a criminal suspicious behavior.    that is why you call the police, because the activity looks suspiciously like criminal activity. 

 

glad your father is much smarter than Zimmerman.  Just think, if Zimmerman had acted in a manner like your father would have, we would not have a dead teen.

 

 

 

It is suspicious to be standing on someone's property and not on the sidewalk. It is suspicious to encircle someone sitting in his car. Obviously the suspicion was borne out as right, because instead of high-tailing it home, which would be common sense, Trayvon doubled back and tried to kill George.

 

Pretty good instincts, there, for George, which is why he did call the police.

[Matthitjah]

 

 

 

 

I am as well,  JDavis.  I believe Zimmerman, while not guilty of murder, is guilty of provoking a confrontation.  Even if the Martin kid was being a typical mouthy teenager he didn't deserve to die for it.  Lives have been devastated and one lost forever here.  But the jury has spoken and we have to respect their verdict.

 

Zimmerman was jumped and beaten by the kid.  How, exactly, does that translate into provoking a confrontation?  If Zimmerman had been black, and the kid killed was white or Hispanic, the case never would have gone to trial and he probably wouldn't have been charged at all. So your concept of "justice" and my concept of justice are not the same.  You are advocating that an innocent man be held responsible and punished for something that he didn't do.  Would that work for you, if the shoe were on your foot?

 

 

I would say that getting out of your car and following Martin could be construed as provoking a confrontation.

 

Not necessarily.  Mr. Zimmerman was the neighborhood watchman at the time, and it was reported there were alot of break ins in the neighborhood.  It was also reported to 911 dispatcher by Mr. Zimmerman  that Martin was acting suspicious. I think Mr. Zimmerman was only trying to prevent another possible break-in in the community.  It was also reported that the  dispatcher told Mr. Zimmerman after the call that Mr. Zimmerman did not have to follow Martin.  Mr. Zimmerman, according to my understanding and his testimony was headed back to his car when Martin jumped him from behind and pinned him down.  Had Martin not done this, he would still be alive more.

 

 

actually, Mr Zimmerman was not a neighborhood watchman officially, he was a self-appointed neighborhood watchman.   I have been part of an official, police approved neighborhood watch and the Golden Rule of neighborhood watchmen is "you do not carry".      The second rule that you are taught is "do not pursue".  Had Mr Zimmerman been part of an actual neighborhood watch program he would have known these two rules.

 

we do not know if Martin jumped him or not, that is what Zimmerman says happened.

 

And you are correct, had Martin not fought with Zimmerman he would still be alive.  And just as true is that had Zimmerman not left his car, Martin would still be alive.

 

Nope, dead wrong. He was appointed the neighborhood watchman by the neighborhood watch committe after offering to do so. You should really not get your facts from the popular media. They have so skewed this story Politically that it is no longer anywhere near the truth.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/25/zimmerman-trial-trayvon-neighborhood-watch/2455163/

 

 

Zimmerman was in charge of recruiting block captains for a neighborhood watch program and, after having been asked, was also part of a group to enforce parking rules in his community.

The president of the homeowners association for the community where the shooting took place testified that he didn't think a neighborhood watch program was needed and that Zimmerman was in charge of the community's program from the very beginning.

Donald O'Brien stressed that the homeowners association had nothing to do with the neighborhood watch program but that he did attend a meeting to start it. Residents were told to "stay away" from suspicious people and call police, O'Brien said.

He said he once text messaged Zimmerman with praises for a group of workers who followed a burglar. Their actions led to the arrest of a young black man, who was charged with burglaries in the neighborhood, O'Brien said.

[WalkTheWay]

 

4.What are Jesus' instructions to you regarding this matter?

 

 

Well, since you asked I’ll tell you what Jesus Christ said and which is written in the Bible:

Jesus gave his disciples 3 commands:

1. Love God above all else
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
3. Love each other as he loved us, which means that we should be willing to give up our lives as he gave up his life for us

Where in those three commandments would any person think they have the right to kill another human being.  The second commandment is a deterrent that should prevent any true Christian from hurting another human.  If you love your neighbor as yourself, you would never hurt your neighbor because you would never hurt yourself.  The only person who would hurt themselves is a sick person, thus, a Christian would have to be sick before he could hurt another person.

 

Additionally, it is written in Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, ²³ gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

 

If a Christian is filled with the Holy Spirit, which fruit of the Holy Spirit would allow him to kill another human or to condone such behavior?

 

I think it’s unconscionable and a disgrace to the body of Christ that anyone calling themselves a Christian would condone the killing of another human.

 

 

So why do you believe our system of laws are corrupt?

 

Yes, the laws of this country are corrupt because they have been corrupted by special interest groups who are looking out for their own interests instead of the common good. 

 

That is why we pray for the Kingdom of God to come because there is no kingdom on Earth that can compare to it.

Edited July 17, 2013 by WalkTheWay

[Matthitjah]

 

 

We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.

 

 

There's not one word about gun control in the above sentence.

 

Come on sis. You know full well what he meant. LOL

[Matthitjah]

Those states that have "Stand Your Ground Laws", like Florida, have, basically, legallized murder, when done properly, as George Zimmerman has done.

We can all "thank" the National Rifle Association for having had these laws passed.

The problem is that the Stand your Ground Law was not even evidenced into this trial and neither was it used in defending Zimmerman.

[Matthitjah]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but a vigilante is not a good thing to have around.

 

One can be observant, vigilant and care about safety without killing someone. 

 

 

JD, you can be a good logical person, but unfortunately, you stepped outside of logic here. 

 

What I mean is this - can you prove Zimmerman was being a vigilante? 

 

Following someone in order to observe his behavior and trace his steps is not taking the law into his hands..

 

Unless one can provide sufficient evidence that Zimmerman has the intention of tackling Martin or tying him down or hitting him or even shooting him, then you can't accuse him of being a vigilante.

 

 

I do not believe that Zimmerman had any intention of shooting anyone.  I believe that he viewed himself more highly than he should have and that he put himself in a situation that he found out very quickly he was not capable of handling.  The result of this was a dead human.

 

And while I agree with the court verdict based on the evidence, one can be legally innocent but not morally so.

 

There is no evidence he was told to carry a gun, that is his own story.  According to testimony from the police, Zimmerman was asked to be part of a citizens patrol program but wanted to part in it.   Why is that? 

 

When a person is placed in a life or death situation, that person is number one, and has every right to advance his right to live over the other.

 

Anyone who has a license to carry a gun is in essence "told" it is OK to carry one.

 

 

 

People should not needlessly place themselves in life and death situations.  The outcome is rarely a good one, as we have seen.  Unless you think it is good that Martin is dead

 

 

Do you really believe that tracking someone's whereabouts is placing oneself in a dangerous life or death situation? Why? Do you admit that Martin was dangerous, then?

 

 

 

Yes, I think that tracking the whereabouts of a criminal is placing oneself in danger, don't you?  What do you expect the criminal to do when he sees you tracking him?  ask you nicely to stop?

 

Clearly Martin was dangerous, he was kicking the butt of adult male.    or maybe it was just Zimmerman's lack of ability that makes Martin seem dangerous.

 

 

 

So, you think Martin was a criminal? Not an innocent child?

 

 

I think he was neither.  But clearly Martin thought he was a criminal or he would not have been following him.   If you follow someone you view to be a criminal, you better be prepared for all situations.

 

He was. He had a gun! Regardless, he was returning to his car, like the police asked him to do, when Trayvon assaulted him and placed his life in danger. Had Trayvon not sucker punched Zimmerman and then assaulted him with the intent of causing great bodily harm and also of taking his gun, Trayvon would still be alive.

 

Ypu appear to reserve none of your rancor for where it rightly belongs. Not sure why though.