Partial Rapture

[finestofthewheat]

I believe in partial rapture.
 
Partial rapture is where those in Rev. 3.10 are raptured before the Tribulation IF "thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
 
Luke 21.36 agrees, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

And so does Matt. 24.40-42: "Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

So not all Christians will be raptured before the Tribulation. Only those who "keep the Word of His patience," who "pray always" and "watch therefore" will be received up "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven, before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the 7 trumpets of the Tribulation spanning 7 years.

 

This is a condition for all Christians to heed. We are saved according to grace, but we are raptured beforehand according to works and keeping the conduct of Matt. 5-7. This is accountability for Christians so we need to reject antinomianism.

[Marilyn C]

Hi finestofthewheat,

 

I agree with much that you have said, though you need to watch & not confuse what Jesus says to Israel.

 

Also when the Body of Christ comes to maturity then it is complete. (Eph. 4: 13) People may call themselves `Christian,` but it is only as the Holy Spirit `sets` us in the Body - listening to the Holy Spirit - obeying Jesus the Head of the Body. The `Body of Christ,` is a distinct entity & will one day be complete & then taken to its eternal setting in the 3rd heaven as you so rightly said.

 

We are saved by grave, as you said but the `works,` are the evidence of that. It is not Jesus plus works. No never.

 

Blessings, Marilyn.

[JTC]

Partial rapture or not, we are not free of moral law. The law we are free of is the old Mosaic law. We still have to love God, and each other. If a person does not, then maybe that person isn't saved at all. We should want to obey God. If it burden to a person something is wrong some place.

[finestofthewheat]

This forum has no action, nor any discussion of the topic. Appearances can be deceiving.

Edited October 7, 2014 by finestofthewheat

[ARGOSY]

I believe in partial rapture.

 

Partial rapture is where those in Rev. 3.10 are raptured before the Tribulation IF "thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

 

Luke 21.36 agrees, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

And so does Matt. 24.40-42: "Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

So not all Christians will be raptured before the Tribulation. Only those who "keep the Word of His patience," who "pray always" and "watch therefore" will be received up "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven, before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the 7 trumpets of the Tribulation spanning 7 years.

 

This is a condition for all Christians to heed. We are saved according to grace, but we are raptured beforehand according to works and keeping the conduct of Matt. 5-7. This is accountability for Christians so we need to reject antinomianism.

 

Hi finest

 

Regarding the "hour of trial" of Rev 3:10 this could be referring to the actual day of the second coming and does not necessarily refer to the entire tribulation.

Regarding the things to be escaped it doesn't make sense that Jesus would be telling saints how to be faithful and watch for signs during the tribulation and then also how to escape the tribulation. In context the things to be escaped are "surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life".  These distractions are what me must avoid/escape. If we are worthy, we shall escape these distractions.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings finestofthewheat

   Welcome to Worthy.....may I ask what kind of action you were expecting or hoping for?You refer to "this forum",you chose to begin a thread in this forum,perhaps your OP is pretty much agreed with.......or maybe you are referring to this Ministry as "this forum".........I am just wondering what appearance you think is deceptive?                                                                    With love-in Christ,Kwik

[OneLight]

This forum has no action, nor any discussion of the topic. Appearances can be deceiving.

This subject, the rapture, has been discussed by many to the point that they are burnt out on the subject and the reason why responses may be non-existent. Click on this link and you will see there are 40 pages of threads that discuss the rapture, some only mentioning it while others go in depth. The forums become very lively when a new subject is brought up! 

[rollinTHUNDER]

I believe in partial rapture.

 

Partial rapture is where those in Rev. 3.10 are raptured before the Tribulation IF "thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

 

Luke 21.36 agrees, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

And so does Matt. 24.40-42: "Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

So not all Christians will be raptured before the Tribulation. Only those who "keep the Word of His patience," who "pray always" and "watch therefore" will be received up "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven, before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the 7 trumpets of the Tribulation spanning 7 years.

 

This is a condition for all Christians to heed. We are saved according to grace, but we are raptured beforehand according to works and keeping the conduct of Matt. 5-7. This is accountability for Christians so we need to reject antinomianism.

Hi fotw,

I don't believe anyone will be raptured before the tribulation. However, I do agree that not all believers will be ready when the trumpet sounds, so it looks like we have a partial agreement instead of a pre-trib partial rapture.

Cheers

[Last Daze]

 

Hi fotw,

I don't believe anyone will be raptured before the tribulation. However, I do agree that not all believers will be ready when the trumpet sounds, so it looks like we have a partial agreement instead of a pre-trib partial rapture.

Cheers

 

I agree that believers will be persecuted during the great tribulation period.  I understand the great tribulation to be the time where the false prophet gives life to the image and issues the "worship the image or die" ultimatum.  I also see the mark of the beast as being part of that worship.  Believers refuse to worship and are put to death.

 

My question is that if not all believers are ready when the rapture trumpet sounds then have they received the mark?

 

If so, then do you think that someone can repent from receiving the mark and worshiping the image?  I'm undecided on this issue but I'm inclined to think so, although, as the judgments progress, we know that hearts harden to the point of no repentance.  My thoughts on the subject are here:

 

If not, then what do you see as a believer not being ready?  How could they be unprepared and still avoid the mark?

 

Thoughts?

[other one]

 

 

Hi fotw,

I don't believe anyone will be raptured before the tribulation. However, I do agree that not all believers will be ready when the trumpet sounds, so it looks like we have a partial agreement instead of a pre-trib partial rapture.

Cheers

 

I agree that believers will be persecuted during the great tribulation period.  I understand the great tribulation to be the time where the false prophet gives life to the image and issues the "worship the image or die" ultimatum.  I also see the mark of the beast as being part of that worship.  Believers refuse to worship and are put to death.

 

My question is that if not all believers are ready when the rapture trumpet sounds then have they received the mark?

 

If so, then do you think that someone can repent from receiving the mark and worshiping the image?  I'm undecided on this issue but I'm inclined to think so, although, as the judgments progress, we know that hearts harden to the point of no repentance.  My thoughts on the subject are here:

 

If not, then what do you see as a believer not being ready?  How could they be unprepared and still avoid the mark?

 

Thoughts?

 

it has always been my opinion that  "IF" there is a pre trib rapture, that there will be many people who don't believe will recognize what happens and become believers....   once you have  and seen the rapture believed the Gospel, one should be really fearful of worshiping the beast or taking his mark.