What does "having dominion" over women really mean?

[enoob57]

I think if a wife is being stomped on by her husband and used like a doormat she does not respect herself and her husband really does not respect her and neither does her children.

Not even her pets   Wow

[Guest Thallasa]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

A  woman was created to be a helpmeet to her husband not a slave or servant under the husband's foot.  The woman chooses to be submissive in her role as a helpmeet to her husband hence a virtuous women,  or she can choose to tear down her home by not being a help to her husband.  Ruling over does not mean the wife becomes the property of her husband nor a slave or servant.  There is a big difference in the meaning of these words property, slave, servant and helpmeet.  Many men do not know how to rule their homes in peace nor understanding of what the wife was created to be by God to her husband she was created and designed to be a helpmeet and if you let her alone and not fight against her in the marriage then a godly women will be just that and not let your household come to spoil.

This is where example in the home is so important where the father treats his wife with love and respect ,but exerts

his authority in the final analysis.Men should be allowd the final decision where there is dispute i front of the children unless there is serious abuse .

The roles of parents presented to children are very important for their Inate healthy masculine /feminine role in the future. I come from a not very religious family with four brothers, very modern ,but the men are men and the women modern ,but they are women ,not pseudo men  .

[missmuffet]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

A  woman was created to be a helpmeet to her husband not a slave or servant under the husband's foot.  The woman chooses to be submissive in her role as a helpmeet to her husband hence a virtuous women,  or she can choose to tear down her home by not being a help to her husband.  Ruling over does not mean the wife becomes the property of her husband nor a slave or servant.  There is a big difference in the meaning of these words property, slave, servant and helpmeet.  Many men do not know how to rule their homes in peace nor understanding of what the wife was created to be by God to her husband she was created and designed to be a helpmeet and if you let her alone and not fight against her in the marriage then a godly women will be just that and not let your household come to spoil.

This is where example in the home is so important where the father treats his wife with love and respect ,but exerts

his authority in the final analysis.Men should be allowd the final decision where there is dispute i front of the children unless there is serious abuse .

The roles of parents presented to children are very important for their Inate healthy masculine /feminine role in the future. I come from a not very religious family with four brothers, very modern ,but the men are men and the women modern ,but they are women ,not pseudo men  .

Yes the son and the daughter are going to learn by the way the husband and wife treat each other.They might someday become husband and wife and father and mother.

[Steve_S]

This conversation always goes the same way, pretty much every time I've seen it. The word "submission" gets mentioned and that is an offensive word to some. Then you start getting words like "doormat" and "slave" getting tossed about. Why do we always have to qualify what the bible says on subjects that are not culturally acceptable, I ask? "Well, the bible does say to submit, but that doesn't mean to be a doormat!!!!!" Why can't it just be "the bible says to submit," because that's what the bible says. It does not qualify the statement. This is incredibly pervasive. I'm not arguing that submission = being a doormat either, before that chorus starts up. What I'm saying is that we should not feel the need to apologize for what the bible says simply because what the bible says is unpopular with the world and at times unpalatable even for Christians. Submission implies submission, there's no way around that. I have never seen anybody on these forums argue that this means a husband has a right to be abusive or tyrannical, so why all of the qualification of terminology?

[MorningGlory]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

I believe that God said 'husbands over wives', not men over women.  Women are not subject to be ruled over by bosses, friends or male relatives.  I am totally amazed at how many men think the Bible puts them in authority over women.  It doesn't. 

Well...actually the whole point of being the boss is that you make the rules...as for the rest, I agree 

Let me clarify that 'boss' thing; yes, a male boss (or even a female one) makes the rules at work but has no PERSONAL  authority over women. 

comment.... now what do you think of that miss smarty pants

Miss Smarty Pants thinks you are yanking her chain. 

[missmuffet]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

I believe that God said 'husbands over wives', not men over women.  Women are not subject to be ruled over by bosses, friends or male relatives.  I am totally amazed at how many men think the Bible puts them in authority over women.  It doesn't. 

Well...actually the whole point of being the boss is that you make the rules...as for the rest, I agree 

Let me clarify that 'boss' thing; yes, a male boss (or even a female one) makes the rules at work but has no PERSONAL  authority over women. 

comment.... now what do you think of that miss smarty pants

Miss Smarty Pants thinks you are yanking her chain. 

Miss smarty pants huh?

[Guest Butero]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

A  woman was created to be a helpmeet to her husband not a slave or servant under the husband's foot.  The woman chooses to be submissive in her role as a helpmeet to her husband hence a virtuous women,  or she can choose to tear down her home by not being a help to her husband.  Ruling over does not mean the wife becomes the property of her husband nor a slave or servant.  There is a big difference in the meaning of these words property, slave, servant and helpmeet.  Many men do not know how to rule their homes in peace nor understanding of what the wife was created to be by God to her husband she was created and designed to be a helpmeet and if you let her alone and not fight against her in the marriage then a godly women will be just that and not let your household come to spoil.

Actually, there is no truth to that.  In one of the scriptures I gave, it refers to how Sarah called Abraham Lord, and that is the example to wives.  The word Lord comes from the Greek word kurios, and it means the husband is supreme in authority, controller, Lord, master, sir.  It comes from the word kurieno which means to have dominion over, be lord over, exercise lordship over.  There is nothing hard to understand here.  That goes in line with Genesis where God said the husband will rule over his wife.  If he is her supreme authority, rules over her, is her controller, and lord and master, I don't see how anyone can come to any conclusion but that she is to do basically anything he tells her to do.  If wives would learn to obey scripture and obey their husbands in the same way they are to obey the Lord, God could bless them and their household, but he can't bless those in rebellion.  That scripture about Sarah and Abraham was in 1 Peter chapter 3, and it makes it clear that wives are to obey their husbands, even if the husband isn't a Christian or living right.  I have bunches of scriptures and the definitions of the Greek and Hebrew words to prove everything I have said is true, and am more than willing to debate this with anyone in the Soap Box.  It is a slam dunk for me.  It is one of the easiest topics for me to prove because there is so much scripture to back it up.

[Guest Butero]

This conversation always goes the same way, pretty much every time I've seen it. The word "submission" gets mentioned and that is an offensive word to some. Then you start getting words like "doormat" and "slave" getting tossed about. Why do we always have to qualify what the bible says on subjects that are not culturally acceptable, I ask? "Well, the bible does say to submit, but that doesn't mean to be a doormat!!!!!" Why can't it just be "the bible says to submit," because that's what the bible says. It does not qualify the statement. This is incredibly pervasive. I'm not arguing that submission = being a doormat either, before that chorus starts up. What I'm saying is that we should not feel the need to apologize for what the bible says simply because what the bible says is unpopular with the world and at times unpalatable even for Christians. Submission implies submission, there's no way around that. I have never seen anybody on these forums argue that this means a husband has a right to be abusive or tyrannical, so why all of the qualification of terminology?

That is exactly right.  It is not the least bit hard to understand what the Bible is saying.  It is just that nobody wants to be ruled over.  Children don't want to obey their parents.  Wives don't want to obey their husbands.  Men don't want constraints from the Bible.  Nobody wants to obey governmental authorities.  Lucifer has taught us all how to rebel against everyone God placed over us. 

[Openly Curious]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

A  woman was created to be a helpmeet to her husband not a slave or servant under the husband's foot.  The woman chooses to be submissive in her role as a helpmeet to her husband hence a virtuous women,  or she can choose to tear down her home by not being a help to her husband.  Ruling over does not mean the wife becomes the property of her husband nor a slave or servant.  There is a big difference in the meaning of these words property, slave, servant and helpmeet.  Many men do not know how to rule their homes in peace nor understanding of what the wife was created to be by God to her husband she was created and designed to be a helpmeet and if you let her alone and not fight against her in the marriage then a godly women will be just that and not let your household come to spoil.

Actually, there is no truth to that.  In one of the scriptures I gave, it refers to how Sarah called Abraham Lord, and that is the example to wives.  The word Lord comes from the Greek word kurios, and it means the husband is supreme in authority, controller, Lord, master, sir.  It comes from the word kurieno which means to have dominion over, be lord over, exercise lordship over.  There is nothing hard to understand here.  That goes in line with Genesis where God said the husband will rule over his wife.  If he is her supreme authority, rules over her, is her controller, and lord and master, I don't see how anyone can come to any conclusion but that she is to do basically anything he tells her to do.  If wives would learn to obey scripture and obey their husbands in the same way they are to obey the Lord, God could bless them and their household, but he can't bless those in rebellion.  That scripture about Sarah and Abraham was in 1 Peter chapter 3, and it makes it clear that wives are to obey their husbands, even if the husband isn't a Christian or living right.  I have bunches of scriptures and the definitions of the Greek and Hebrew words to prove everything I have said is true, and am more than willing to debate this with anyone in the Soap Box.  It is a slam dunk for me.  It is one of the easiest topics for me to prove because there is so much scripture to back it up.

So are you denying that the wife of a husband was created and designed by God to be a helpmeet to her husband.

[Guest Butero]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

A  woman was created to be a helpmeet to her husband not a slave or servant under the husband's foot.  The woman chooses to be submissive in her role as a helpmeet to her husband hence a virtuous women,  or she can choose to tear down her home by not being a help to her husband.  Ruling over does not mean the wife becomes the property of her husband nor a slave or servant.  There is a big difference in the meaning of these words property, slave, servant and helpmeet.  Many men do not know how to rule their homes in peace nor understanding of what the wife was created to be by God to her husband she was created and designed to be a helpmeet and if you let her alone and not fight against her in the marriage then a godly women will be just that and not let your household come to spoil.

Actually, there is no truth to that.  In one of the scriptures I gave, it refers to how Sarah called Abraham Lord, and that is the example to wives.  The word Lord comes from the Greek word kurios, and it means the husband is supreme in authority, controller, Lord, master, sir.  It comes from the word kurieno which means to have dominion over, be lord over, exercise lordship over.  There is nothing hard to understand here.  That goes in line with Genesis where God said the husband will rule over his wife.  If he is her supreme authority, rules over her, is her controller, and lord and master, I don't see how anyone can come to any conclusion but that she is to do basically anything he tells her to do.  If wives would learn to obey scripture and obey their husbands in the same way they are to obey the Lord, God could bless them and their household, but he can't bless those in rebellion.  That scripture about Sarah and Abraham was in 1 Peter chapter 3, and it makes it clear that wives are to obey their husbands, even if the husband isn't a Christian or living right.  I have bunches of scriptures and the definitions of the Greek and Hebrew words to prove everything I have said is true, and am more than willing to debate this with anyone in the Soap Box.  It is a slam dunk for me.  It is one of the easiest topics for me to prove because there is so much scripture to back it up.

So are you denying that the wife of a husband was created and designed by God to be a helpmeet to her husband.

I am disputing the amount of authority the husband has.  The easiest way to say this so you will understand is to simply say that the husband's authority is so great, if he wants his wife to be a doormat, and she refuses to be a doormat, she is in rebellion, which is the same as witchcraft.  I am not saying he should or should not make her a doormat.  We would likely disagree over what would constitute being a doormat, so I am not saying I am for or against it.  I am just saying his authority is absolute.