Pre trib rapture is fake

[Ezra]

 

 

You can't say they're not creative.

One does not have to be creative at all. Either the whole Church at that time is under the reign of the Antichrist for 3 1/2 years and is beheaded, or it is not. To imagine that the whole Church is beheaded is ludicrous.  To imagine that Satan can literally control the world while the Holy Spirit and the Church are on earth is even more ludicrous. But this is exactly what you can expect when Christians can't understand the purpose for the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (which is the same as the Day of the LORD).

[WilliamL]

 

The doctrine of Bible preservation rests upon two unfailing authorities: (1) the promise of God (Pss 12:6,7; 33:11; 100:5; 111:7-8; 117:2; 119:89,152,160; Isa 40:8; 59:21; Matt 5:18; 24:35; 1 Pet 1:23,25; Rev 22:18,19), and (2) the character of God. God, who has revealed Himself in an inspired Book and magnified that Word to the highest degree, would carefully superintend its transmission. The doctrines of divine inspiration4 and providential preservation of Scripture are important, and they stand in the same position as the doctrines of creation and providence.

When one who lives today and can believe the above statement; has no need to do their own translations and promote it as correct and the preserved word wrong.imho

The preserved Word is one thing, it's translation is another. Your failure to answer the questions I posed to you is telling.

"So which version of the King James translation do you use?

Does it contain the Apocrypha?

Do you reject the later emendations and stick to the original 1611 as written?

You see, even the English scholars realized the imperfections of the original KJV Bible."

[Zemke]

 

 

One does not have to be creative at all. Either the whole Church at that time is under the reign of the Antichrist for 3 1/2 years and is beheaded, or it is not. To imagine that the whole Church is beheaded is ludicrous.  To imagine that Satan can literally control the world while the Holy Spirit and the Church are on earth is even more ludicrous. But this is exactly what you can expect when Christians can't understand the purpose for the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (which is the same as the Day of the LORD).

We know that we are of God and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. 1 John 5:19

The disciples were born again and had the Spirit of God before Pentecost, the Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost to convict the world of sin and empower believers for the work of the ministry, the church proper. When the Holy Spirit no longer convicts the world of sin and no longer is "upon" His people as in the church proper, the faithful virgins, with oil in their lamps, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet", will have a light unto their path, "When I dwell in darkness the Lord will be a light unto me" Micah. " We need our first love.

 I will send a famine upon the land, not a famine of bread or wine but of the hearing of the word of God. And people will search to and fro and not be able to find it. The first day of the church was Pentecost and the last day will be when the restrainer no longer restrains. Faithful believers will know what time it is. As it says in Daniel, the few will teach the many.

It fits, just not our pet theologies.

I believe, in part, the blessing we receive when reading prophetic writings, especially Revelation is the sweet in the mouth experience Ezekiel, Jeremiah and John had. But as we swallow and truly eat there will be a bitterness in the belly. If we read and do not come to a place of lamentation at some point we have understood something amiss.

Our hope is in the resurrection, way to much attention has been given about those who remain and have faith at that time. Abraham barganned with the Lord 50, 40, 30.........but there wasn't even 10 righteous. The world is going to become worse and worse. He is coming and He will rescue before wrath comes, as in the days of Lot, but how much faith will be on this earth when He comes? not much. Rahab, a gentile, was the only house hold out of the whole city to be brought out by the two spies. Sevens and trumpets, silence and shouting and fire. 

"Work while it is the day, night comes when no man can work." - Jesus

A time of heaviness is coming and already is, not even being the seventieth week, and we are ill prepared and not preparing. And I'm speaking spiritually. We must admit the western church is a materialistic self centered basket case. Not all of coarse, there is always a remnant. Kenny is saying an anointing more powerful than all other anointings is coming. The fact this man is still making a living is testament to the foolishness of the west. And judgement is coming. Trump will not stop Islam, only repentance will. And if Juda in the days of Jeremiah is a testament to the state of things today, well, not good.

The discipleship in the west stinks, absolutely stinks and I was a victim of the stench. What's ludicrous is how hard it is to find a people that walk in humility and love God. It isn't brain surgery we are learning here.  Despensationalism, preterism and all the other isms need to be put on the shelf and we need to hit our knees. We hear from God when we need to hear from God and the way the world is going we need to hear from God. That comes with prayer and fasting. 

The crazy demon possessed man after encountering Jesus was found sitting at Jesus' feet, clothed and in his right mind.

We really need to sit down.

There is an unprecedented time coming. We read of the horrors that have happened and are now happening to faithful believers in Christ Jesus. We will not suffer Gods wrath but we will know who the son of perdition is before we are out of here. The twisting that goes on with 2Thess 2 is sad. 

 

 

 

[7Dove77]

Zemke,

Yes,we will know who the son of perdition is,before we exit,with Christ...

[SINNERSAVED]

Hello Zemke, and blessings to you my brother,

it is awesome and humbling to hear your testimony to what is very true and what we see today , i want to thank you and tell you that i see what you see, and i have learned  love and passion from you today , and we all do need to be on our knees , and surrendering all to the almighty God,

but many take it for granted and are materialistic , yes and we need to really understand the true jesus , and the real God that we serve, for there will be a day , and the testing is coming, and many will fail that test for they were not wiser and they did not fill their lamps with oil and so as in the days of lot and noah, this is what many do not see,

 that there was only eight that went into the ark before the flood,

and there was only lot his wife and the kids that made it out of Sodom, but lots wife was already called out, but looked back and even though sahe was on her way at the last minute she disobeyed Gods word, and so we must endure until the end for our faith is in our minds , but the faith is taken with us until the end,  and we see what can happen even when we believe we are safe ,

and then in the desert moses brought the people out , and for their un belief they never entered the promise land but  a hand full of them and so we continue to see, that many are called, but only few are selected, and so the road to destruction and hell is wide and broad , but NARROW and HARD is the way , that leads to life everlasting

 we are boasted on our pride and comfortable lives, and we say there is no danger, for i have spoken with my lips and my God takes me to be with Him, but there life and efforts are in vain and a abomination to God, and they are not really filled with the holy spirit , and so we need to  examine our selves and to be silent before the righteous and Holy God, and know He is God , and we are not ,

this is truth and many do not know what is truth ?

 amen .............

[FresnoJoe]

 

what is truth....

~

What Is

Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?

And when he had said this, he went out again

unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. John 18:38

Truth

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

no man cometh unto the Father,

but by me. John 14:6

[MorningGlory]

 

They are not approaching the text in a hermeneutic but spiritualizing the text....

That is always a problem, Steven.

[Last Daze]

20 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Last Daze

Your Quote: Pretribbers have essentially created from thin air the Christian "A" team and "B" team to explain the saints who will be martyred.  Best I can understand it, the spiritual "A" team will be raptured pretrib, which causes an unscriptural "great revival".  This causes the not-so-spiritual, dang-I-missed-the-rapture "B" team to wake up and in short order, shake off the strong delusion and be willing to die for their faith, a multitude beyond number.  You can't say they're not creative.

So you agree with yourself that you are of the B Team.  I will lump Mormons, JW's, and a few other cults that know a lot about "Christianity" , yet do not believe and follow the true Savior.  Their dedication will be put to the test like no other.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Marv, I'm not a pretribber.  All believers are on the same team.  You can not point to one scripture that speaks of a "great revival" after the resurrection / rapture, much less two.  If it's not in the scriptures, wouldn't you agree that its been added?  Do you think it's wise to add things to the scriptures, to just make stuff up?

I pray that God gives us all discernment concerning the things to come and strength to endure to the end.

[Last Daze]

18 hours ago, Ezra said:

 

One does not have to be creative at all. Either the whole Church at that time is under the reign of the Antichrist for 3 1/2 years and is beheaded, or it is not. To imagine that the whole Church is beheaded is ludicrous.  To imagine that Satan can literally control the world while the Holy Spirit and the Church are on earth is even more ludicrous. But this is exactly what you can expect when Christians can't understand the purpose for the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (which is the same as the Day of the LORD).

According to flawed human reasoning.  In case you haven't read:

• We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.  1 John 5:19

Is the Church here?  Is the Holy Spirit here?  Why do you refer to what is scriptural as ludicrous?  But this is exactly what you can expect when Christians can't rightly distinguish between tribulation and wrath.

Why do you add to what the scriptures say with this "great revival" nonsense?  Do you think that's a good idea?

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Marv, I'm not a pretribber.  All believers are on the same team.  You can not point to one scripture that speaks of a "great revival" after the resurrection / rapture, much less two.  If it's not in the scriptures, wouldn't you agree that its been added?  Do you think it's wise to add things to the scriptures, to just make stuff up?

I pray that God gives us all discernment concerning the things to come and strength to endure to the end.

Maybe the Raven's will give you food when you cannot buy or sell.

Maybe the Raven's will give you food when all those with the Mark will be working a full day for a days food.

In Christ

Montana Marv