Authority of the Husband

[Ariel16]

 

21 hours ago, Ezra said:

Mutual submission applies to Christian with Christian relationships within the church.  It does NOT cancel the clear teaching regarding the authority of the husband and the submission of the wife.  And yes, some things are definitely not debatable -- at least not among Bible-believing Christians.

That's a really hard position to take on believing mutual submission only applies to Church relationships. Given that one's wife is a sister in Christ and to negate that submission simply because a couple is now married is hard to argue. It is as though you are saying that once your married your wife is no longer your sister in Christ. What do you think it means to "render honor to the weaker vessel?" Eph. 5 speaks to us as Christians to demonstrate this submission to other Christians. How do you get that the wife in Christ is excluded?

Edited August 31, 2016 by Ariel16

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, Ariel16 said:

It is as though you are saying that once your married your wife is no longer your sister in Christ.

Not at all. The authority of the husband is so clearly spelled out in Scripture, that it should not be in conflict with anything else. At the same time husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the Church (Eph 5:15). Which means that this authority must not be abused but applied in love. 

Why does Scripture says that "the Head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the Head of Christ is God"? (1 Cor 11:3)  Because certain relationships are essential to understanding the hierarchy within the Godhead as well as the hierarchy within the home and within the church.

Even though Christ is fully God and equal to God, the Father is the authority over the Son. So "the Head of Christ is God [the Father]".  Yet all authority has been delegated by the Father to the Son (Mt 28:18, where "power" is the translation for exousia = authority).

It follows that the Son is the authority over every Christian man.  Therefore the Christian man is the authority over his wife.  This is God-delegated authority, not be lightly dismissed, or confused because Scripture speaks of mutual submission among believers.  This goes all the way back to Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

So Peter tells wives in 1 Peter 3:6:  Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

[Ariel16]

20 hours ago, Ezra said:

Not at all. The authority of the husband is so clearly spelled out in Scripture, that it should not be in conflict with anything else. At the same time husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the Church (Eph 5:15). Which means that this authority must not be abused but applied in love. 

Why does Scripture says that "the Head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the Head of Christ is God"? (1 Cor 11:3)  Because certain relationships are essential to understanding the hierarchy within the Godhead as well as the hierarchy within the home and within the church.

Even though Christ is fully God and equal to God, the Father is the authority over the Son. So "the Head of Christ is God [the Father]".  Yet all authority has been delegated by the Father to the Son (Mt 28:18, where "power" is the translation for exousia = authority).

It follows that the Son is the authority over every Christian man.  Therefore the Christian man is the authority over his wife.  This is God-delegated authority, not be lightly dismissed, or confused because Scripture speaks of mutual submission among believers.  This goes all the way back to Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

So Peter tells wives in 1 Peter 3:6:  Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

I don't believe you answered the questions. Now I believe we agree on authority applied in love. However, authority applied in love is not without submission to others feelings or perspectives. Elders have authority over young men and young men are to submit.

5 You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders;

However, although Scripture acknowledges the authority of the Elders it also says this

5 moreover ALL of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.

At this point he emphasized the need for everyone to subject toward one another because we are all to be humble. 

 

The verse in Genesis is not God giving the husband that type of rulership no more than God is planting an evil desire in Eve to trample over her husband.

13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.

 

Both are simply the effects that sin will cause between the two, namely, the wife is going to want to walk over her husband and the husband is going to want to dominate his wife.

The "shall" is futuristic, like when God said

24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

 

As history has unfolded men have indeed dominated women because that was sin playing out since the garden. 

Now I do not believe in 4 curses like 2 for man (sweat by your brow and rule your wife) and 2 for woman (bear children in more pain and I will give you a desire to rule your husband)

this I do not believe. 

Remember, Adam had headship at creation, not after the fall. Plus, God gave both man and woman authority to dominate the earth but after the fall Man began to dominate his wife (the only creature in Genesis not subject to be dominated as all other creatures.)

26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

 

Edited September 1, 2016 by Ariel16

[GoldenEagle]

@Ariel16, @Ezra, @FresnoJoe, @other one, @Davida, @gdemoss, @Behold, @Butero, @worthy, @RustyAngeL, @HAZARD, They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So why not speak in pictures then to understand where each of us is coming from?

 

Which graphic 1 (Complimentary View), 2 (Patriarchal View), 3 (Church Leadership View), or 4 (Feel free to add your own) do you agree with the most? Why?

  

God bless,
GE

[Ariel16]

34 minutes ago, Davida said:

# 2  but the pic is not quite accurate because the husband according to the Bible has Authority over his Wife but ( I  don't have time to put the exact quote forgive me )  The husband is to honor his wife and consider her in his decisions but his authority is final and she is to submit to it. 

I also add:  Proverbs  also describes The Virtuous woman :  She is described as more than being a mere housewife and mother - "She "considereth a field and buys it"  "SHe is like the merchant's ships; and she produces , makes things ....and "delivereth to merchants: " sounds like she is involved in the family business , ownership, buying, planting, making and selling. She is involved in all the Family owned endeavors and manages them for her husband.

Proverbs 31:10-31

Proverbs 30Ecclesiastes 1

 

Proverbs 31:10-31King James Version (KJV) 10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. 11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. 13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. 14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. 15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. 16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. 17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. 18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. 19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. 20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. 21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. 22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. 23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. 24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. 25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. 26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. 27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. 28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. 29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. 30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised. 31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. King James Version (KJV)

Hey you need my permission to mention my wife okay!

[RustyAngeL]

2 hours ago, GoldenEagle said:

@Ariel16, @Ezra, @FresnoJoe, @other one, @Davida, @gdemoss, @Behold, @Butero, @worthy, @RustyAngeL, @HAZARD, They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So why not speak in pictures then to understand where each of us is coming from?

 

Which graphic 1 (Complimentary View), 2 (Patriarchal View), 3 (Church Leadership View), or 4 (Feel free to add your own) do you agree with the most? Why?

  

God bless,
GE

I love this Eagle.  My kids are my dogs but my wonderful husband was their protector too.  Thank you for sharing this.

Blessings, RustyAngeL

[Kindle]

2 hours ago, GoldenEagle said:

@Ariel16, @Ezra, @FresnoJoe, @other one, @Davida, @gdemoss, @Behold, @Butero, @worthy, @RustyAngeL, @HAZARD, They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So why not speak in pictures then to understand where each of us is coming from?

 

Which graphic 1 (Complimentary View), 2 (Patriarchal View), 3 (Church Leadership View), or 4 (Feel free to add your own) do you agree with the most? Why?

  

God bless,
GE

 #2

[other one]

2 hours ago, Davida said:

# 2  but the pic is not quite accurate because the husband according to the Bible has Authority over his Wife but ( I  don't have time to put the exact quote forgive me )  The husband is to honor his wife and consider her in his decisions but his authority is final and she is to submit to it.

it doesn't say to honor his wife, it says love her like Jesus loves the church......   and   that is way way beyond honoring.  What woman would not submit to a husband that put her best interests over his..

[Running Gator]

53 minutes ago, other one said:

it doesn't say to honor his wife, it says love her like Jesus loves the church......   and   that is way way beyond honoring.  What woman would not submit to a husband that put her best interests over his..

Seems the best way is for both spouses to put the best interest of the marriage before either of their own.

[other one]

Eph 5:24-31
 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her; 26 that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. 31 For this cause a m
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