Jump to content

Recommended Posts


  • Group:  Diamond Member
  • Followers:  9
  • Topic Count:  84
  • Topics Per Day:  0.03
  • Content Count:  1,408
  • Content Per Day:  0.53
  • Reputation:   736
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  01/26/2018
  • Status:  Offline

Posted

VULTURES AND A CORPSE

 
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Gospel in the end times....Nelson Walters

In the middle of the Olivet Discourse is a strange illustration about vultures and a corpse that the church does not fully understand. Matthew 24:28 (NASB) says, “Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.” It’s my opinion that whenever we don’t comprehend a passage it is likely that a mistaken theology is blocking our understanding. That is the case with this verse. The Church does not grasp this illustration because it refers to the resurrection that will occur after the great tribulation. Their view that the resurrection and rapture occur prior to the tribulation prevents them from seeing what this verse truly means.

 

The Context

In order to properly understand what Jesus was teaching by means of this short illustration or parable, we need to place the verse in context. It occurs in two different contexts within scripture. The first context is within the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. The second context is found in Luke 17 immediately after healing the ten lepers while he and his disciples were on their way to Jerusalem. Like many of Jesus’ teachings, he may have taught this short illustration many times.

One thing is certain however.  In both instances it occurs at the very end of that portion of Jesus’ teaching.  Jesus obviously viewed it as important.

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus places this illustration at the conclusion of his teaching about the Great Tribulation (verses 9 thru 28 of Matthew 24.) In the preceding verses Jesus had just warned the disciples about the False Messiah and False Prophet that would try to deceive the world with false wonders.

Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.  For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.  Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. (Matt. 24: 23 -26 NASB)

Immediately after this, Jesus gives the one true sign of his return, his coming on the clouds in great glory. Jesus tells us that his Shekinah glory will shine like lightening from the east to the west. This is one sign Satan’s false messiah and prophet will not be able to duplicate.

In the very next verse, Jesus us tells us the Illustration of the vultures and a corpse. The context obviously indicates the illustration has something to do with the return of Christ.

Luke’s account of this illustration places it in almost the exact same context. In Luke’s telling Jesus begins with the same warning about the false messiah and false prophet. He then gives the same sign of his actual return, his coming on the clouds in his Shekinah glory. Prior to giving the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in Luke, Jesus first gives several other teachings which are all related to his return.

The first two teachings show that Jesus’ return will be like the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot. In the first example Noah is taken to safety in the ark while the unrighteous perish in the flood. In the second example, Lot and his family are taken to safety by angels to a mountain while the unrighteous are burned with fire and brimstone. Jesus then warns the disciples that on that day (the day of Jesus’ return when his followers are taken to safety) they are not to return for their possessions or look back on what they had. Jesus then gives the warning, “Remember Lot’s wife” who looked back on Sodom and was turned into a pillar of salt.

Jesus then further instructs us that there will be a division; some will be taken and some will be left. Jesus gives two examples: people in a bed or in a field. Jesus is obviously implying that those who are taken will be taken to safety just as Noah and Lot were taken to safety prior to the judgments of those days!  This common sense interpretation flies in the face of those  who believe that those taken are the wicked taken away to judgment and those who remain are the righteous.  Obviously the linkage to the stories of Noah and Lot implies the righteous are raptured to safety.

The disciples were confused as well as we are today and asked Jesus, “Where Lord?” By this they meant, where are the righteous taken? As a capstone to this entire passage Jesus then gave us the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in order to make his meaning completely clear.

The Meaning

The problem is the meaning is not clear to most today.   What do vultures and a corpse have to do with Jesus’ return?  The illustration is actually easy to understand but faulty theology will block the clear and simple meaning.

Some believe this illustration is just an idiom like “where there’s smoke there’s fire.”  These teachers interpret it as a phrase that means “what I’m telling you should be as obvious as the nose on your face.”  The fact that no such idiom is known from that time period does not deter these teachers.

Others, like Dr. Thomas Ice, believe it is a judgment reference to Rev. 19: 17-21 where after the battle of Armageddon, an angel summons the birds of the air to feast on the armies of the Beast.  The fact that the word translated “vultures” in Matthew and “birds” in Revelation are not the same does not deter these teachers.

Interestingly it is the word translated vultures that is one of the keys to understanding the true meaning of the illustration.  The Greek word used means “eagles.” In Revelation this same word is used to symbolize angels in Revelation 4:7, 8:13 and 12:14.   Why is it mistranslated “vultures?” if its clear meaning is “eagles?”  This translator error is another example of the translator allowing his preconceived theology to color Jesus’ clear meaning.  He was speaking of angels.

To further reinforce this meaning, the word translated “gather” is  the  Greek word that means “gather together.” I am sure you recognize this word! Just a few verses later in Jesus’ vision of the rapture in Matthew 24: 31, the angels “gather together” the elect from the four winds.  In 2 Thess. 2: 1 Paul uses this same word to describe the rapture, ” with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.”  This short illustration in Matthew 24:28 pictures the same event, angels gathering the living and the dead in Christ and catching them up into the air to meet our Lord.

It is critically important to note in Matthew the angels are gathering the dead who died knowing Christ (the corpse), which is the resurrection. This occurs before the rapture of the living (1 Thess. 4:16).   In Luke the word for body means a living body, in Matthew it means a dead body.  Looking at both versions of this illustration in combination gives the meaning that angels will gather together the Christians who are alive and those who died knowing Christ.  This is the rapture and resurrection!

The context of this short illustration occurring after the Great Tribulation is further overwhelming proof that the rapture and the resurrection occur after the great tribulation at the sixth seal of Revelation.  It disproves a Pre-tribulation rapture in one short, one verse illustration!

 

  • Thumbs Up 1
  • This is Worthy 1

  • Group:  Worthy Ministers
  • Followers:  25
  • Topic Count:  61
  • Topics Per Day:  0.02
  • Content Count:  9,613
  • Content Per Day:  3.41
  • Reputation:   7,814
  • Days Won:  21
  • Joined:  09/11/2017
  • Status:  Offline

Posted

Yeah. That baquet for the beasts. Evil is CONSUMED... yum yum. 


  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  35
  • Topic Count:  2,155
  • Topics Per Day:  0.48
  • Content Count:  51,427
  • Content Per Day:  11.38
  • Reputation:   31,568
  • Days Won:  240
  • Joined:  01/11/2013
  • Status:  Offline

Posted

The meaning is that the glorious coming of Christ in the second coming is the sequence to the blasphemy and unbelief that characterize the proceeding period. Just as when an animal dies, the vultures gather, so when there is moral corruption, there must be devine judgment.


  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  9
  • Topic Count:  13
  • Topics Per Day:  0.00
  • Content Count:  4,396
  • Content Per Day:  1.34
  • Reputation:   617
  • Days Won:  0
  • Joined:  06/01/2016
  • Status:  Offline

Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

VULTURES AND A CORPSE

 
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Gospel in the end times....Nelson Walters

In the middle of the Olivet Discourse is a strange illustration about vultures and a corpse that the church does not fully understand. Matthew 24:28 (NASB) says, “Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.” It’s my opinion that whenever we don’t comprehend a passage it is likely that a mistaken theology is blocking our understanding. That is the case with this verse. The Church does not grasp this illustration because it refers to the resurrection that will occur after the great tribulation. Their view that the resurrection and rapture occur prior to the tribulation prevents them from seeing what this verse truly means.

 

The Context

In order to properly understand what Jesus was teaching by means of this short illustration or parable, we need to place the verse in context. It occurs in two different contexts within scripture. The first context is within the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. The second context is found in Luke 17 immediately after healing the ten lepers while he and his disciples were on their way to Jerusalem. Like many of Jesus’ teachings, he may have taught this short illustration many times.

One thing is certain however.  In both instances it occurs at the very end of that portion of Jesus’ teaching.  Jesus obviously viewed it as important.

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus places this illustration at the conclusion of his teaching about the Great Tribulation (verses 9 thru 28 of Matthew 24.) In the preceding verses Jesus had just warned the disciples about the False Messiah and False Prophet that would try to deceive the world with false wonders.

Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.  For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.  Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. (Matt. 24: 23 -26 NASB)

Immediately after this, Jesus gives the one true sign of his return, his coming on the clouds in great glory. Jesus tells us that his Shekinah glory will shine like lightening from the east to the west. This is one sign Satan’s false messiah and prophet will not be able to duplicate.

In the very next verse, Jesus us tells us the Illustration of the vultures and a corpse. The context obviously indicates the illustration has something to do with the return of Christ.

Luke’s account of this illustration places it in almost the exact same context. In Luke’s telling Jesus begins with the same warning about the false messiah and false prophet. He then gives the same sign of his actual return, his coming on the clouds in his Shekinah glory. Prior to giving the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in Luke, Jesus first gives several other teachings which are all related to his return.

The first two teachings show that Jesus’ return will be like the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot. In the first example Noah is taken to safety in the ark while the unrighteous perish in the flood. In the second example, Lot and his family are taken to safety by angels to a mountain while the unrighteous are burned with fire and brimstone. Jesus then warns the disciples that on that day (the day of Jesus’ return when his followers are taken to safety) they are not to return for their possessions or look back on what they had. Jesus then gives the warning, “Remember Lot’s wife” who looked back on Sodom and was turned into a pillar of salt.

Jesus then further instructs us that there will be a division; some will be taken and some will be left. Jesus gives two examples: people in a bed or in a field. Jesus is obviously implying that those who are taken will be taken to safety just as Noah and Lot were taken to safety prior to the judgments of those days!  This common sense interpretation flies in the face of those  who believe that those taken are the wicked taken away to judgment and those who remain are the righteous.  Obviously the linkage to the stories of Noah and Lot implies the righteous are raptured to safety.

The disciples were confused as well as we are today and asked Jesus, “Where Lord?” By this they meant, where are the righteous taken? As a capstone to this entire passage Jesus then gave us the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in order to make his meaning completely clear.

The Meaning

The problem is the meaning is not clear to most today.   What do vultures and a corpse have to do with Jesus’ return?  The illustration is actually easy to understand but faulty theology will block the clear and simple meaning.

Some believe this illustration is just an idiom like “where there’s smoke there’s fire.”  These teachers interpret it as a phrase that means “what I’m telling you should be as obvious as the nose on your face.”  The fact that no such idiom is known from that time period does not deter these teachers.

Others, like Dr. Thomas Ice, believe it is a judgment reference to Rev. 19: 17-21 where after the battle of Armageddon, an angel summons the birds of the air to feast on the armies of the Beast.  The fact that the word translated “vultures” in Matthew and “birds” in Revelation are not the same does not deter these teachers.

Interestingly it is the word translated vultures that is one of the keys to understanding the true meaning of the illustration.  The Greek word used means “eagles.” In Revelation this same word is used to symbolize angels in Revelation 4:7, 8:13 and 12:14.   Why is it mistranslated “vultures?” if its clear meaning is “eagles?”  This translator error is another example of the translator allowing his preconceived theology to color Jesus’ clear meaning.  He was speaking of angels.

To further reinforce this meaning, the word translated “gather” is  the  Greek word that means “gather together.” I am sure you recognize this word! Just a few verses later in Jesus’ vision of the rapture in Matthew 24: 31, the angels “gather together” the elect from the four winds.  In 2 Thess. 2: 1 Paul uses this same word to describe the rapture, ” with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.”  This short illustration in Matthew 24:28 pictures the same event, angels gathering the living and the dead in Christ and catching them up into the air to meet our Lord.

It is critically important to note in Matthew the angels are gathering the dead who died knowing Christ (the corpse), which is the resurrection. This occurs before the rapture of the living (1 Thess. 4:16).   In Luke the word for body means a living body, in Matthew it means a dead body.  Looking at both versions of this illustration in combination gives the meaning that angels will gather together the Christians who are alive and those who died knowing Christ.  This is the rapture and resurrection!

The context of this short illustration occurring after the Great Tribulation is further overwhelming proof that the rapture and the resurrection occur after the great tribulation at the sixth seal of Revelation.  It disproves a Pre-tribulation rapture in one short, one verse illustration!

 

By the time we the Church comes back with Jesus at the Second Coming we will be the "Vultures/Eagles" and are clearly designated as such in Rev. 19, Saints in White Linen and we are called the Army of God and we are shown to have Married the Lamb. 

Jesus' mention or parable, I think its more of an end time warning to the Jews, tells the Jews not to look in the Desert for him,  nor to a store room, but to look to where the Eagles are at/gathered, THERE WILL I BE.....So Jesus is saying he will be at Armageddon, not in the Desert, not preaching in a store room, he returns to destroy the Wicked this time. So do not come out of Petra you Jewish Messianic Christ loving servants, STAY THERE until you see me giving the Beast and his wimps what for !! Righteousness wins out, evil will be defeated. Amen. 

 

P.S. It proves the Pre trib, EVERYTHING in the bible has to point towards the truth. 

Edited by Revelation Man

  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  8
  • Topic Count:  44
  • Topics Per Day:  0.01
  • Content Count:  7,372
  • Content Per Day:  1.13
  • Reputation:   2,697
  • Days Won:  1
  • Joined:  06/28/2007
  • Status:  Offline
  • Birthday:  10/28/1957

Posted
8 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

VULTURES AND A CORPSE

 
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Gospel in the end times....Nelson Walters

In the middle of the Olivet Discourse is a strange illustration about vultures and a corpse that the church does not fully understand. Matthew 24:28 (NASB) says, “Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.” It’s my opinion that whenever we don’t comprehend a passage it is likely that a mistaken theology is blocking our understanding. That is the case with this verse. The Church does not grasp this illustration because it refers to the resurrection that will occur after the great tribulation. Their view that the resurrection and rapture occur prior to the tribulation prevents them from seeing what this verse truly means.

 

The Context

In order to properly understand what Jesus was teaching by means of this short illustration or parable, we need to place the verse in context. It occurs in two different contexts within scripture. The first context is within the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. The second context is found in Luke 17 immediately after healing the ten lepers while he and his disciples were on their way to Jerusalem. Like many of Jesus’ teachings, he may have taught this short illustration many times.

One thing is certain however.  In both instances it occurs at the very end of that portion of Jesus’ teaching.  Jesus obviously viewed it as important.

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus places this illustration at the conclusion of his teaching about the Great Tribulation (verses 9 thru 28 of Matthew 24.) In the preceding verses Jesus had just warned the disciples about the False Messiah and False Prophet that would try to deceive the world with false wonders.

Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.  For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.  Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. (Matt. 24: 23 -26 NASB)

Immediately after this, Jesus gives the one true sign of his return, his coming on the clouds in great glory. Jesus tells us that his Shekinah glory will shine like lightening from the east to the west. This is one sign Satan’s false messiah and prophet will not be able to duplicate.

In the very next verse, Jesus us tells us the Illustration of the vultures and a corpse. The context obviously indicates the illustration has something to do with the return of Christ.

Luke’s account of this illustration places it in almost the exact same context. In Luke’s telling Jesus begins with the same warning about the false messiah and false prophet. He then gives the same sign of his actual return, his coming on the clouds in his Shekinah glory. Prior to giving the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in Luke, Jesus first gives several other teachings which are all related to his return.

The first two teachings show that Jesus’ return will be like the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot. In the first example Noah is taken to safety in the ark while the unrighteous perish in the flood. In the second example, Lot and his family are taken to safety by angels to a mountain while the unrighteous are burned with fire and brimstone. Jesus then warns the disciples that on that day (the day of Jesus’ return when his followers are taken to safety) they are not to return for their possessions or look back on what they had. Jesus then gives the warning, “Remember Lot’s wife” who looked back on Sodom and was turned into a pillar of salt.

Jesus then further instructs us that there will be a division; some will be taken and some will be left. Jesus gives two examples: people in a bed or in a field. Jesus is obviously implying that those who are taken will be taken to safety just as Noah and Lot were taken to safety prior to the judgments of those days!  This common sense interpretation flies in the face of those  who believe that those taken are the wicked taken away to judgment and those who remain are the righteous.  Obviously the linkage to the stories of Noah and Lot implies the righteous are raptured to safety.

The disciples were confused as well as we are today and asked Jesus, “Where Lord?” By this they meant, where are the righteous taken? As a capstone to this entire passage Jesus then gave us the illustration of the vultures and a corpse in order to make his meaning completely clear.

The Meaning

The problem is the meaning is not clear to most today.   What do vultures and a corpse have to do with Jesus’ return?  The illustration is actually easy to understand but faulty theology will block the clear and simple meaning.

Some believe this illustration is just an idiom like “where there’s smoke there’s fire.”  These teachers interpret it as a phrase that means “what I’m telling you should be as obvious as the nose on your face.”  The fact that no such idiom is known from that time period does not deter these teachers.

Others, like Dr. Thomas Ice, believe it is a judgment reference to Rev. 19: 17-21 where after the battle of Armageddon, an angel summons the birds of the air to feast on the armies of the Beast.  The fact that the word translated “vultures” in Matthew and “birds” in Revelation are not the same does not deter these teachers.

Interestingly it is the word translated vultures that is one of the keys to understanding the true meaning of the illustration.  The Greek word used means “eagles.” In Revelation this same word is used to symbolize angels in Revelation 4:7, 8:13 and 12:14.   Why is it mistranslated “vultures?” if its clear meaning is “eagles?”  This translator error is another example of the translator allowing his preconceived theology to color Jesus’ clear meaning.  He was speaking of angels.

To further reinforce this meaning, the word translated “gather” is  the  Greek word that means “gather together.” I am sure you recognize this word! Just a few verses later in Jesus’ vision of the rapture in Matthew 24: 31, the angels “gather together” the elect from the four winds.  In 2 Thess. 2: 1 Paul uses this same word to describe the rapture, ” with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.”  This short illustration in Matthew 24:28 pictures the same event, angels gathering the living and the dead in Christ and catching them up into the air to meet our Lord.

It is critically important to note in Matthew the angels are gathering the dead who died knowing Christ (the corpse), which is the resurrection. This occurs before the rapture of the living (1 Thess. 4:16).   In Luke the word for body means a living body, in Matthew it means a dead body.  Looking at both versions of this illustration in combination gives the meaning that angels will gather together the Christians who are alive and those who died knowing Christ.  This is the rapture and resurrection!

The context of this short illustration occurring after the Great Tribulation is further overwhelming proof that the rapture and the resurrection occur after the great tribulation at the sixth seal of Revelation.  It disproves a Pre-tribulation rapture in one short, one verse illustration!

 

Shalom, JoeCanada.

None of the above is true, nor are any of the other suggestions within this thread so far!

Children of God, it is extremely important that you understand that Yeshua`s words in the Olivet Discourse were mostly to His students sitting around Him on Har haZeitiym (the Mount of Olives) that day!

While OCCASIONALLY Yeshua` looked off into the future even to His Second Coming, most of His words were for those students He loved and with whom He had worked those 3.5 years of His "earthly ministry" (His offer of the Kingdom to Israel). He wasn't here referring to the distant future - our future - in these words; He was referring to their NEAR future that would begin in 66 A.D! THEY, Jewish believers, were the "carcass," the "corpse," and their hunters in the First Persecution were the "vultures." THEY THEMSELVES were warned not to believe rumors that the Messiah was out in the desert place or in a secret storage room, nor to follow them who told them these rumors!

 


  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  0
  • Topic Count:  825
  • Topics Per Day:  0.31
  • Content Count:  7,074
  • Content Per Day:  2.66
  • Reputation:   2,019
  • Days Won:  1
  • Joined:  02/15/2018
  • Status:  Offline

Posted
12 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

The dead shall rise first,  at the parousia of the Lord,  THEN we shall be caught up together,  to forever be with the Lord at the erchomai of the Lord with all the saints. 

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

 

That clearly doesnt happen at the end of great tribulation, why would God need to take the saints to the cloud if the tribulation is over, antichrist is dead. This proof the pre trib rapture.

Luke 21:36 states, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." God has not appointed the righteous to wrath. He stated that we will escape all these things, not some but All.

Therefore, how can believers go into the final seven years if God has not appointed them to wrath?



  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  14
  • Topic Count:  73
  • Topics Per Day:  0.02
  • Content Count:  6,998
  • Content Per Day:  1.88
  • Reputation:   2,468
  • Days Won:  2
  • Joined:  03/17/2015
  • Status:  Offline

Posted

Interesting topic. I was just looking into this a few days ago. I hadn't considered the apparent idiom referred to the gathering. 

"And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together."

So they asked "Where?" What 'where'?

The question, "Where, Lord?" certainly seems to seek understanding of what was said just before the question was asked;

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two [women] shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

If "Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together" is the answer to "Where, Lord?" Doesn't that just mean 'Everywhere it's required'? Like, anywhere there is a body the carrion eaters swoop down and consume the carcass. That's true all over the world. So likewise the one taken and the other left will occur all over the world as is appropriate. 

Just before the query Jesus says,

"In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it."

This seems to refer to separation between life and death. Run when you see this and don't turn back, remember Lot's wife; and the contradiction of losing one's life to save it and vice versa. 

Just prior to this Jesus is speaking to the suddenness of the coming destruction and how the world didn't realize it was coming and just continued on with their daily lives as if nothing was happening.

It's plausible the idiom refers to both the coming destruction of the rebels and the gathering of the elect as occurring all over the world wherever and whenever either or is appropriate. Both conditions are in view here. One taken the other left has to refer to the result of the gathering and is one idea that prompted the question, "Where, Lord?" A theme that continues with 'losing life to save it, and saving life to lose it'. Another idea is the mirror of the days of Noah when sudden destruction takes them unaware. All that taken together I reject the idea "Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together." only refers to the gathering of the elect. I also reject the idea of the pretrib camp that it must only refer divine retribution hurled down from heaven upon the sinner. Also rejected in my mind is the idea aetos refers to the Roman legions. 

It's a comprehensive idea that refers to the coming of the Lord, sudden destruction, the warnings to flee, how to save one's soul, and the gleaning, and how it will happen everywhere as is needed. 

 

 

  • Thumbs Up 1

  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  14
  • Topic Count:  73
  • Topics Per Day:  0.02
  • Content Count:  6,998
  • Content Per Day:  1.88
  • Reputation:   2,468
  • Days Won:  2
  • Joined:  03/17/2015
  • Status:  Offline

Posted
4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, JoeCanada.

None of the above is true, nor are any of the other suggestions within this thread so far!

Children of God, it is extremely important that you understand that Yeshua`s words in the Olivet Discourse were mostly to His students sitting around Him on Har haZeitiym (the Mount of Olives) that day!

While OCCASIONALLY Yeshua` looked off into the future even to His Second Coming, most of His words were for those students He loved and with whom He had worked those 3.5 years of His "earthly ministry" (His offer of the Kingdom to Israel). He wasn't here referring to the distant future - our future - in these words; He was referring to their NEAR future that would begin in 66 A.D! THEY, Jewish believers, were the "carcass," the "corpse," and their hunters in the First Persecution were the "vultures." THEY THEMSELVES were warned not to believe rumors that the Messiah was out in the desert place or in a secret storage room, nor to follow them who told them these rumors!

 

Roy,

I think not.

"While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”" - Matt 24

"And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?" - Luke 21

"Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled" - Mark 13

Obviously this refers to the 2nd coming and the end of the age. While Luke and Mark do not record this, Matthew does. The ensuing discourse is the same according to three witnesses. Taken as a whole it's not a near prophecy about 66 AD. It's similar and really could be applied to all ages. We have been hearing about Jesus the Messiah in all kinds of places throughout the last 2000 years and it continues to this day. It has to be viewed as a whole, not piecemeal.

 

 

  • Thumbs Up 1

  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  17
  • Topic Count:  50
  • Topics Per Day:  0.01
  • Content Count:  3,727
  • Content Per Day:  0.94
  • Reputation:   2,305
  • Days Won:  5
  • Joined:  06/29/2014
  • Status:  Offline

Posted

Hi JoeCanada

 

  Matthew 24:28   For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 Revelation 11:8   And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 11:9   And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

  Revelation 11:10   And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.



  Matthew 24:29   Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

  Matthew 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 Matthew 24:31   And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

Matthew 24:32   Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

  Matthew 24:33   So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


  • Group:  Royal Member
  • Followers:  9
  • Topic Count:  85
  • Topics Per Day:  0.02
  • Content Count:  4,018
  • Content Per Day:  1.01
  • Reputation:   2,525
  • Days Won:  4
  • Joined:  07/17/2014
  • Status:  Offline

Posted
4 hours ago, Diaste said:

It's a comprehensive idea that refers to the coming of the Lord, sudden destruction, the warnings to flee, how to save one's soul, and the gleaning, and how it will happen everywhere as is needed. 

And then the meek shall inherit the earth.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • You are coming up higher in this season – above the assignments of character assassination and verbal arrows sent to manage you, contain you, and derail your purpose. Where you have had your dreams and sleep robbed, as well as your peace and clarity robbed – leaving you feeling foggy, confused, and heavy – God is, right now, bringing freedom back -- now you will clearly see the smoke and mirrors that were set to distract you and you will disengage.

      Right now God is declaring a "no access zone" around you, and your enemies will no longer have any entry point into your life. Oil is being poured over you to restore the years that the locust ate and give you back your passion. This is where you will feel a fresh roar begin to erupt from your inner being, and a call to leave the trenches behind and begin your odyssey in your Christ calling moving you to bear fruit that remains as you minister to and disciple others into their Christ identity.

      This is where you leave the trenches and scale the mountain to fight from a different place, from victory, from peace, and from rest. Now watch as God leads you up higher above all the noise, above all the chaos, and shows you where you have been seated all along with Him in heavenly places where you are UNTOUCHABLE. This is where you leave the soul fight, and the mind battle, and learn to fight differently.

      You will know how to live like an eagle and lead others to the same place of safety and protection that God led you to, which broke you out of the silent prison you were in. Put your war boots on and get ready to fight back! Refuse to lay down -- get out of bed and rebuke what is coming at you. Remember where you are seated and live from that place.

      Acts 1:8 - “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses … to the end of the earth.”

       

      ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY
        • Thanks
        • This is Worthy
        • Thumbs Up
      • 3 replies
    • George Whitten, the visionary behind Worthy Ministries and Worthy News, explores the timing of the Simchat Torah War in Israel. Is this a water-breaking moment? Does the timing of the conflict on October 7 with Hamas signify something more significant on the horizon?

       



      This was a message delivered at Eitz Chaim Congregation in Dallas Texas on February 3, 2024.

      To sign up for our Worthy Brief -- https://worthybrief.com

      Be sure to keep up to date with world events from a Christian perspective by visiting Worthy News -- https://www.worthynews.com

      Visit our live blogging channel on Telegram -- https://t.me/worthywatch
      • 0 replies
    • Understanding the Enemy!

      I thought I write about the flip side of a topic, and how to recognize the attempts of the enemy to destroy lives and how you can walk in His victory!

      For the Apostle Paul taught us not to be ignorant of enemy's tactics and strategies.

      2 Corinthians 2:112  Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 

      So often, we can learn lessons by learning and playing "devil's" advocate.  When we read this passage,

      Mar 3:26  And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. 
      Mar 3:27  No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strongman; and then he will spoil his house. 

      Here we learn a lesson that in order to plunder one's house you must first BIND up the strongman.  While we realize in this particular passage this is referring to God binding up the strongman (Satan) and this is how Satan's house is plundered.  But if you carefully analyze the enemy -- you realize that he uses the same tactics on us!  Your house cannot be plundered -- unless you are first bound.   And then Satan can plunder your house!

      ... read more
        • Praise God!
        • Thumbs Up
      • 230 replies
    • Daniel: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 3

      Shalom everyone,

      As we continue this study, I'll be focusing on Daniel and his picture of the resurrection and its connection with Yeshua (Jesus). 

      ... read more
      • 13 replies
    • Abraham and Issac: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 2
      Shalom everyone,

      As we continue this series the next obvious sign of the resurrection in the Old Testament is the sign of Isaac and Abraham.

      Gen 22:1  After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."
      Gen 22:2  He said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."

      So God "tests" Abraham and as a perfect picture of the coming sacrifice of God's only begotten Son (Yeshua - Jesus) God instructs Issac to go and sacrifice his son, Issac.  Where does he say to offer him?  On Moriah -- the exact location of the Temple Mount.

      ...read more
      • 20 replies
×
×
  • Create New...