The Chronological Order Of The Revelation

[JoeCanada]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, you are as WRONG as can be on this brother. Not only is Matt. 24:29-31 the Second Coming but Rev. 19:14-19 is the EXACT SAME EVENTS as Revelation 14:18-20, Revelation 11, the blowing of the 7th Trumpet and Revelation 16:19 the Seventh Vial. 

Matt. 24:36-51 is the Rapture of the Church, it happens PRE 70TH WEEK, and nothing is going to change that. If you would read  my posts carefully you might be able to pick up some tip on Revelation.  

 

We are comparing Matt 24:29-31 with Rev 19:11-21. Show us where they are exactly the same event. You are the one that states that Matt 24:29-31 is the second coming, the same as the second coming in Rev 19:11-21. I showed you that they are not the same event. 

Look at Matt 24:27-28....

"For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.......Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather"

This is the first mention of the coming of the Son of Man that Jesus spoke about in Matt 24. 

The last line..." Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather". I already did a post on this verse. Since it comes right after the "lightning flashing east to west, and coming of the Son of Man"..... in context then, this is referring to the dead body (the saints who have died) that the eagles (angels) will gather. This is the resurrection/rapture. Jesus’s angels will gather together the dead saints (Resurrection) and the living saints (Rapture) together upwards into the air to meet the Lord!

This passage has absolutely nothing to do with Armageddon.

Luke 17:24-37...... Jesus gives the same outline saying it will be just the same on the Day that the Son of Man is revealed.....Lightning flashes from east to west, don't go and get your stuff out of the house, the one in the field must not turn back. On that night there will be two in bed, one taken and the other left, two grinding at the mill, one taken and the other one left, two in the field, one taken and the other one left.

WHERE LORD?...... "Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered"......... Vultures is the wrong translation for Aetoi.....the translation is "eagle", which is another word for "angel". Rev 8:13..."I heard an eagle flying in midheaven' saying with a loud voice' woe, woe ,woe....."...This is obviously an angel.

So here in Luke, the angels are gathering the body...."Where the body is, there the angels will gather".......This is the living body, the alive believers at the revealing of the Son of Man.

In Matt 24:29-31, there is the appearing of the Son of Man in the clouds, He sends His angels to gather the dead body, all the saints who have died.

In Luke 17, there is the appearing of the Son of Man in the clouds, He sends His angels to gather the alive body, those who are alive at His appearing.

Now.....in Rev 19, what do we see? We see the body, both the dead and alive that were gathered at His appearing, now in resurrection bodies. rejoicing, wearing white garments. THEN, heaven is opened, and Jesus is on a white horse, clothed with a robe dipped in blood, armies of heaven following Him on white horses, and from His mouth comes a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He treads the wine press of  the fierce wrath of God. 

An angel calls to the birds to come and gorge yourselves on the flesh of the enemies of God. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

HOW THEN is this (Rev 19) in any way, shape, or form the exact same as Matt 24:29-31? ..............There is nothing in Rev 19 that is even remotely  the same as   Matt 24:29-31. Nothing! NADA!

[Dennis1209]

On 3/7/2020 at 2:02 PM, not an echo said:

I believe we can all agree that a very important consideration in the study of any end time view is the question of the order in which The Revelation was given to John.  I have long been inclined to believe that it was given in true chronological order.

For example, it seems quite evident to me that the first 10 chapters are in the strictest chronological order possible. One thing leads into another thing, which leads into another thing, and so forth throughout the first 10 chapters---without fail. No back and forth, no overlap, no repeating of anything, just chronological information laid out as simply as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.  Basically, there is the introduction, followed by the letters to the seven churches, followed by a vision of God and the Lamb, followed by the opening of the seals of the Seven Sealed Book, followed by the sounding of the first six (of seven) trumpets, followed by John's account of an angel that he saw, who had in his hand "a little book open."

After chapter 10, there is a difference in the manner in which John records things---again, without fail.  This difference is closely related to what he writes concerning the 7th Trumpet in Revelation 11:15-19, for what he here records is like a concise overview of what will be taking place throughout the next several chapters.  More precisely, the 7th Trumpet heralds a period that takes in everything John sees from the time of its sounding in chapter 11 until after the Last Judgment in chapter 20.  In accord with the way the Bible's chapters are divided (which I attribute to the hand of God!), it appears that after John is given the brief overview of this period, he uses an overlapping method of recording all of the details of it.  While the order of this section is still chronological, portions of some events are revealed from different angles along the way, making for some overlaps of information, as could be expected.  Because of this, it is not quite as simple to recognize the order of this section, but there is a definite pattern and progression of events.  A survey of the details given in each chapter covering the 7th Trumpet period will show that, aside from the mentioned overlaps of some information, the events recorded in this half of The Revelation are also in strict chronological order---just like with the first half.

Finally, the last two chapters of The Revelation also continue chronologically, but as a whole, and reveal John's vision of God's Heaven and the conclusion of The Revelation, as well as The Bible.

Simplified further, that's 10 chapters with no overlapping pattern (kind of like individual sections in a concrete side walk), 10 chapters with an overlapping pattern (kind of like shingles on a roof), and 2 chapters as a unit (kind of like a folding door).

Simplified further, and very memorable, that's 10, 10, and 2.

The Revelation has a most awesome structure.  And for me, once seen, it can't be unseen.

That's my interpretation also. In fact, Jesus tells John to "write these things", individually, addressed to the seven churches in sequence. These seven churches are symbolic of the entire church age, and can be accurately and historically dated in chronological order.

Revelation 1:19 (KJV) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; [Emphasis mine - past, present and future; in chronological order]

Jesus gives in the above verse a chronological order of events, and there's no reason to suspect 'the things which shall be hereafter' are out of sequence. I believe Revelation chapters; 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are parenthetical chapters adding additional information to the account. 

 

[DeighAnn]

TAKEN TO THE LORDS DAY aka when the DAY THE LORD  returns to EARTH, the Second Advent.
 

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John was in the Spirit ON THE LORDS DAY.  Doesn't matter THE YEAR it actually happened or when it was actually written because he is writing it from the PERSPECTIVE of having been taken to the LORDS DAY, FUTURE to him, future to us.  So when speaking  

 
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:

Revelation 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from Him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before His throne;

So it isn't being written to the 7 churches back in Johns time, but the seven churches shortly before the Lords Day.  And who are to be BLESSED?  HE that read, and hear, and keep those things written. READ, HEAR, KEEP. WHO READS?  CHRISTIANS.  WHERE DO CHRISTIANS GATHER?  THE CHURCH.

THOUGH the letters are sent to the churches it still must be THE HE OR SHE THAT reads, hears, and keeps those things written, and them who will be blessed. 
WHY write to the churches if the information does not apply to them?  Why not write to GODS ELECT if they are going to be the only ones still around?  Common Sense, not the wisdom of man should prevail.  The carnal mind is at enmity with God.  

So,  what is written TO the churches, NOT just Gods elect about the REVEALING of Jesus Christ?  Best be getting it together, Y'ALL.  Some of you are not doing very good, some are going to be SPUED OUT, others will be used for Gods purposes (those being who He foreknew (already knows He can count on them) who He justified (they have already proved themselves) and are predestined (because they have already passed the test and have received the promise of eternal life He can work in their lives as He sees fit, NO UNDOING OF FREE WILL).    So we have ANGELS of the CHURCHES and information given to/through them on  what is shortly coming upon them. 

Revelation 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith He that holdeth the seven stars in His right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
JESUS who walks in the midst of the churches SAYS 
 

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:  (THERE ARE EVIL PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN, EVEN CHRISTIAN TEACHERS AND THEY ARE NO MORE THAN LIARS SET OUT TO CONFUSE/DECEIVE.  THEY LIKE THEIR OWN WORDS MORE THAN GODS,  THEIR OWN DOCTRINES, THEIR OWN TRUTHS, THEY ARE WISE IN THEIR OWN MINDS, THEIR OWN WAYS, GODS, NOT SO MUCH)

Revelation 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. (REMEMBER, REPENT, WORK OR ELSE.  THIS IS NOT A MARRIAGE PROPOSAL OF ANY SORT.  THIS IS A WARNING ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO GO VERY BAD UNLESS THERE IS CONTINUED REPENTANCE.  NOT A ONE AND DONE AS SOME MAY HAVE TOLD YOU.  YOU START OUT A BABE ON THIS WALK AND CONTINUE TO REPENT TOWARDS PERFECTION/MATURITY IN GODS WORD AND WAYS)

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (NOTICE WHEN IT COMES TO ACCOUNTABILITY IT IS NO LONGER THROUGH THE "INSTITUTION" IT IS TO THE INDIVIDUAL. EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL BE HELD PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW HE LIVED HIS LIFE, WHO HE CHOSE TO LISTEN TO, WHAT HE CHOSE TO BELIEVE).

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.(KNOW ABOUT THOSE BLASPHEMERS WHO SAY THEY ARE JEWS, BUT ARE OF SATAN.  GOES WAY BACK TO CAIN AND SATAN HAS MADE SURE THAT TO EVEN BEGIN TO TEACH WHO THE KENITES ARE BRANDS YOU INSTANTLY A HERETIC, A RACIST OR WHAT EVER OTHER WORDS THEY USE TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ONE THING YOU DO NOT SPEAK OF OR TEACH, BUT JESUS APPROVES OF THIS CHURCH TEACHING.  ONE OF ONLY TWO OF THE CHURCHES HE DOES APPROVE OF.  NO WONDER IT IS FORBIDDEN IN "CHRISTIAN FORUMS" AS FAMINE IN THE END TIMES IS FOR HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, LOOK AT US HERE TODAY AS PROPHECY IS BEING FULFILLED.  BUT I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU FIND A WAY TO LEARN THIS AS IT IS THE ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS TO DISCERN GOOD FROM EVIL)

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. (I WOULD SAY THIS IS A CHURCH THAT IS FILLED WITH GODS ELECT.  THEY DO KNOW WHO THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN IS, SO THEY ALSO KNOW WHO REALLY WAS BEHIND CHRISTS CRUCIFIXION, AND THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY THAT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE BEGINNING, WORKING  SETTING UP AND  GETTING READY FOR THE DECEPTION TO COME.  AND THEY HAVE NO FEAR OF WHAT IS COMING.  THEY MAY SUFFER WHILE IN THE FLESH BUT LIKE ALL THOSE BEFORE FIND A COMFORT BY  WHAT HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT A LITTLE PAIN IN THE FLESH FOR THE GLORY OF GOD ISN'T EVEN A QUESTION,  IN FACT,  IT IS A DESIRE.  THEY WANT TO STAND FOR CHRIST.  AND IT MAYBE THE ONLY TIME IT WILL EVER BE POSSIBLE TO  "BE THERE" FOR GODS PURPOSE.  I WONDER, WILL THERE EVER IN ALL ETERNITY BE ANOTHER OPPROTUNITY SUCH AS THIS?  TO HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAK THROUGH YOU FOR GOD TO BRING AS MANY HOME TO HIM AS POSSIBLE.  DON'T WORRY IF THIS IS NOT  YOUR DESIRES BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF SOULS JUST WANTING TO BE CHOSEN FOR SUCH AN HONOR.  MANY BELEIVE IN THE PROMISES OF GOD AND SO HAVE NO FEAR.  GOD WILL NEVER GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE AND IF THAT IS YOUR THING,  JUST FOLLOW WHAT JESUS SAYS AND DON'T BE DECEIVED, DON'T FOLLOW OR WORSHIP SATAN.  SIMPLE, JUST LIKE GODS WORD)

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
ONCE AGAIN, NOT THE CHURCH,  BUT HE WHO HEARS NOT WHAT IS SAID TO ONE CHURCH BUT ALL THE MESSAGES JESUS IS GIVING TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES FOR TO HIM THAT OVERCOMETH (ISN'T DECEIVED) WILL NOT BE HURT OF THE SECOND DEATH.  AND WHAT IS THAT SECOND DEATH?  

Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

Revelation 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith He which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 

Revelation 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Christians HOLD FAST HIS NAME, DO NOT DENY THE FAITH AND ARE FAITHFUL,  MARTYRS.  Christians have been slain for thousands of years.  Tested, tempted, brothers in tribulation.  MUST BE A SPECIAL GROUP WHO ARE CHOSEN TO STAND AT THE END.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
HATE, ABOMINATIONS, DON'T FOOL YOURSELF, GOD HAS MANY AND DEEP FEELINGS AND HE HATES EVIL.

Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
ONCE AGAIN, NOT QUITE A MARRIAGE PROPOSAL FOR A MARRIAGE TO HAPPEN SHORTLY, HE IS FIXING TO FIGHT AGAINST THEM.  BUT WITH WHAT?  TRUTH.  

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
HEAR WHAT IS SAID TO THE 7 CHURCHES AND BE A "HIM/HE" THAT OVERCOMETH BECAUSE, IF YOU DO, YOU GET TO EAT OF THE HIDDEN MANNA, AND YOU GET A WHITE STONE, A NEW NAME....GOOD THINGS

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Revelation 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A DOOR THAT CLOSES IN WHICH REPENTING WILL BE TO LATE

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
FALSE TEACHERS, FALSE DOCTRINES, UNFAITHFUL AND NOT JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH TRIBULATION IF THEY DON'T REPENT, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO SUFFER GODS WRATH

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am He which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
SOULS ARE GOING TO DIE, AND WHO SHALL KNOW?  ALL THE CHURCHES.  AND TO EVERY ONE  ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS.  THE MESSAGES ARE SENT TO THE BODY, BUT THE JUDGEMENT IS ON WHO YOU ARE AND FALLS SQUARELY UPON YOU.  NO EXCUSES.  PROBABLY WHY WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY LIKE WE DO.  

Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
SOME ONLY HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE TIME WITHOUT WORSHIP/BEING DECEIVED.  IF THIS IS YOU, BEST MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO. 

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
OVERCOME AND KEEP CHRISTS WORKS TO THE END CAUSE IF YOU DO, HE WILL GIVE POWER 

Revelation 2:27 And He shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
READ THIS REAL GOOD, READ THIS TWICE AND GET IT RIGHT,  HE RECEIVED OF HIS FATHER, AND WE WILL RECEIVE.  BE FOUND DOING EVIL AND REBUKE, CORRECTING, CHASTIMENT ARE COMING YOUR WAY

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning Star.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning Star.

Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

WHAT DOES HE KEEP SAYING OVERCOME AND KEEP HIS WORKS UNTO THE END

 

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Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FALSE CHRIST IS COMING FIRST,  CRIST WILL  COME AS A THIEF (UNEXPECTEDLY) AND THAT HAPPENS, HIS RETURN, IN THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (SATAN ALREADY HERE)

Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels.
HOW SHALL YOU BE CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT?  BY OVERCOMING.  HOW DO YOU NOT GET BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE?  BY OVERCOMING.  WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE JESUS WILL CONFESS YOUR NAME BEFORE THE FATHER, BY OVERCOMING

Revelation 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
WHO MUST KEEP THE WORD OF HIS PATIENCE?  THOU.  HOW DOES HE KEEP US FROM THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION?  HE OPENS A DOOR.  WHAT IS THAT DOOR?  KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF THE WORD THAT MAKES NOTHING THAT SATAN DOES TEMPTING TO YOU.  ANYONE TEMPTED  TO BUY THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE?  NO, AND WHY NOT?   BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS A LIE SO YOU ARE NOT TEMPTED,  ARE YOU?

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
SOMEONE IS COMING TO TAKE YOUR CROWN.  IF YOU ARE PART OF THE CHURCH/BODY OF CHRIST.  

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
WHO WILL JESUS MAKE A PILLAR IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD?  HIM THAT OVERCOMETH.  WHERE IS NEW JERUSALEM COMING FROM?  DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN.  

Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
 

Revelation 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
HOW? TO BUY OF HIM GOLD "TRIED IN THE FIRE".  TRIED.  PROVED.  ANOINT THE EYES

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
GODS LOVE COMES WITH REBUKE AND CHASTENING.  WE MUST BE ZEALOUS AND OF COURSE, REPENT.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
OVERCOME EVEN AS HE OVERCAME.  IT'S MORE THAN A SUGGESTION

Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

WE HAVE WORK TO DO FOR GODS PURPOSE.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning Star.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

THERE IS NO "GET OUT OF TRIB FREE CARD".   DON'T BE DECEIVED BY ANY MAN OR PUT ANOTHER WAY, SOMEONE IS COMING TO DECEIVE (THE WORLD, THE CHURCH BEING IN IT, HENCE THE LETTER).  DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU AS IT WILL THOSE WHO DON'T PUT ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR. 

 

Revelation 21:6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

SOME SAY 'THE CHURCH DISAPPEARS' AND THAT IS ANOTHER "PROOF" GIVEN FOR A PRE TRIB RAP BUT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SATANS RULE IS OVER THE POLITICAL, FINANCIAL, EDUCATIONAL, AND RELIGIOUS REALMS (FOUR HIDDEN DYNASTIES) YOU KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" CAN NOT BE ADDRESSED AS SUCH DURING THE TRIBULATION PERIOD.  

SO THE ORDER OF EVENTS IS GOD SENDS THE TWO WITNESSES RIGHT BEFORE SATAN, HIS EVIL SPIRIT ANYHOW, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY HIM THEN IN PERSON.  ONCE HE HAS DECEIVED THE WORLD STANDING WHERE HE OUGHT NOT, HE KILLS THE TWO WITNESSES.   CHRIST RETURNS, THE TWO WITNESSES RISE, THE DEAD ARE RESURRECTED, THOSE LEFT ALIVE, THE FIRST RESURRECTION,  ARE CHANGED, GODS WRATH IS POURED OUT, SATAN BOUND THE LORDS DAY BEGINS. 
FOR 1000 YEARS THERE ARE THOSE WHO REIGN WITH CHRIST SOME MINISTER IN THE TEMPLE, SOME TO THE PEOPLE AND THERE IS TEACHING AND DISCIPLINE FOR THE 1000 YEARS.  AT THE END OF THAT DAY SATAN IS RELEASED FOR A SHORT SEASON TO DECEIVE, GOD ENDS IT ALL AND JUDGEMENT TO THOSE WHO HAVE DONE WELL, REWARDS, THOSE WHO HAVE NOT LAKE OF FIRE.  THE EARTH IS REJUVINATED, NEW JERUSALEM THE LAMBS BRIDE DESCENDS, CHRIST RETURNS ALL TO GOD  AND ETERNAL LIFE ON EARTH WITH GOD DWELLING AMONG US COMMENCES, AND ALL FROM THE FLESH

Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




 

[Uriah]

49 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

HOW THEN is this (Rev 19) in any way, shape, or form the exact same as Matt 24:29-31? ..............There is nothing in Rev 19 that is even remotely  the same as   Matt 24:29-31. Nothing! NADA!

Hi Joe,

Hope you don't mind, I think this is what you are looking for:

In Matt. 24 Jesus is seen WITH His angels. That is what we see in Rev. 19 as well. BTW, the statement about the "eagles" is a supportive statement of what He had just said about people saying He is here or there. Like the circling birds, you can see what is coming, so to speak, in the distance by looking at what is happening above.

And of course those same angels in Matt. 24 are responsible for gathering those in Rev. 19. The saints are seen standing in the sky having only then just received their new white garments. NOT before. They are said to at last be ready for the marriage supper. This means it is NOW time for the wedding. NOT before.  Characterizing the "body" that vultures circle over is a simplistic word association with "body" of Christ. Seeing the same word in different places and ascribing automatically one meaning to the other is in the order of a grade school effort of interpreting scripture. I think you're better than that, bro.

You have eagles as angels, yet then they call to the birds to have a feast. Will angels eat the bodies (believers?)

Now in Luke, if you only would have read a bit further you would see the ONLY two references by Jesus to His second coming from the O.T. The days of Noah and Lot. In BOTH cases god's people were NOT rescued until the DAY that the God's judgment came down form the sky. NOT before. Jesus then said, "It will be just like the Son of Man comes."

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease being honest.”

[DeighAnn]

 JOHN IS TAKEN TO HEAVEN, 

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Revelation 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Revelation 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

AN EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION OF HEAVEN



ANDVWHAT HAPPENS NEXT TAKES PLACE BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER  THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST

 

Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

BUT THEN EMMANUEL WALKED PERFECTLY AMONG US IN THE FLESH, WAS CRUCIFIED, ROSE. 

Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Revelation 5:7 And He came and took the book out of the right hand of Him that sat upon the throne.

Revelation 5:8 And when He had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

NO ONE FROM THE FUTURE AT THIS POINT.  ALL THOSE WHO CHRIST WENT AND OFFERED SALVATION TO IN THE PRISONS DURING THE 3 DAYS IN THE TOMB.   IN OTHER WORDS ALL WHO HAD DIED AND NOT MADE IT TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GULF THAT,  WHEN OFFERED SALVATION THROUGH THE WORK OF CHRIST, BELIEVED.  

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

BECAUSE THAT IS HOW MANY LIVED UP UNTIL CHRIST ROSE.  

Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
NOW, JUST MY OPINION HERE,  BUT MUST BE WHEN EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW OR NOT.  

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Revelation 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped Him that liveth for ever and ever.

 

 

Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

ONE OF THE SEVEN.  NOT NECESSARILY THE FIRST ONE, BUT ONE OF THE SEALS.  SO ORDER IS NOT SPECIFIC TO EVENTS/TRUMPS

Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

CHRIST HAS A CROWN, NO CROWN NEEDS BE GIVEN HIM.  CHRIST IS NOT GOING FORTH CONQUERING AND TO CONQUER, CHRIST IS COMING TO RULE WITH A ROD OF IRON AS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS. AND THE BOW HAS IS A CHEAP FABRIC.  BUT YOU KNOW, ALWAYS HAS TO TRY TO COPY THE REAL THING.  

 

TRY TO REMEMBER- KNOWLEDGE BEING GIVEN OF EVENTS TO COME HERE AFTER.  JOHN IS SEEING HAPPENINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON EARTH.  NOTICE THE HORSE DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE THAT WE ARE TOLD PHYSICALLY.  

Revelation 6:3 And when He had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

POWER IS GIVEN TO TAKE PEACE.  RED STANDS FOR WAR.  

Revelation 6:5 And when He had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

INFLATION COMING. LIARS AND CHEATERS WITH NO CONSCIENCE.  BUT FOR THOSE WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE THEY KNOW TO KEEP LIFE RIGHT AS IN DON'T LIVE ABOVE YOUR MEANS AND PREPARE FOR WHAT IS COMING.

Revelation 6:7 And when He had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 AREN'T WE SEEING THIS RIGHT NOW THROUGH ALL THE FALSE DOCTRINE.  SOULS BEING TAKEN IN BY FALSE TEACHING, CONFUSION, THE SIMPLICITY OF GODS WORD BEING MADE INTO CONFUSION, THOSE THINKING THEMSELVES WISE, JUST LIKE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE BEFORE JUST GETTING INTO "THE LETTER" AND MISSING THE SPIRITUAL PLAN OF GOD ALTOGETHER.  WHATS OLD IS NEW AGAIN.  USING THE WORDS WRITTTEN NOT AS GOD INTENDED BUT USING MANS  RULES OF LANGUAGE TO TRY IN ANY WAY TO MAKE WHAT IS CLEAR, MUDDY.  

Revelation 6:9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

NO ONE SOUL IS LYING DEAD IN A HOLE IN THE EARTH.  THE FLESH BODY GOES BACK TO DIRT AND THE SOUL RETURNS TO GOD WHO GAVE IT.  TO BE SLAIN FOR THE WORD OF GOD PUTS YOU UNDER THE ALTAR OF GOD, AND GOD IS GOING TO RECOMPENSE

Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

YUP, THEY HAVE GOT TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE TRIBULATION TOO, WHEN THE BIG CHANGES IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH TAKE PLACE.  

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

WHAT DOES THIS 6TH SEAL TELL US?  THAT UNTIMELY FIGS ARE GOING TO BE SHAKEN OUT OF HEAVEN.  AFTER THE WAR.  JUST REMEMBER THIS 6TH SEAL.  BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE ARE DONE WE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT 666 STANDS FOR.  REMEMBER THE INSTEAD OF CHRIST DOES EVERYTHING TO DECEIVE/COPY THE REAL THING.  THE WHITE HORSE, THE EARTHQUAKE, THE MOON, THE LIGHTENING, THE STANDING WHERE HE OUGHT NOT.....

Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

AND WOE UNTO EARTH SATAN IS CAST DOWN, HEAVEN SHUT.  THE ACCUSER WHO ACCUSED DAY AND NIGHT IS GONE.  NO WONDER THERE IS SILENCE.  AND FOR HOW LONG?

 

 

 

AND QUICKLY FOLLOWS CHRIST -  THE 7TH SEAL

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

 

AND THIS IS NOT MADE CLEAR HERE, BUT THIS WILL BE MADE CLEAR

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

AND A QUESTION IS ASKED "WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND"?  AND IT IS GOING TO BE ANSWERED

 

[DeighAnn]

AND A QUESTION IS ASKED "WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND"?   IS  ANSWERED

 

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

 

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
THEY WILL STAND DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION


AND ONCE THEY HAVE MADE THAT STAND AND CHRIST HAS RETURNED, OR 
"AFTER THIS" OR AFTER THEY HAVE STOOD

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
AND ALL THOSE OF THE SO CALLED "GENTILE CHURCH" SO WORRIED ABOUT BEING GIVEN UP TO DEATH MAY NOT HAVE TO WORRY EXCEPT FOR ONE TEENIE TINY PROBLEM.  MOST CHRISTIANS ARE OF THE SAND OF THE SEA, DUST OF THE EARTH, STARS OF THE SKY TRIBES OF ISRAEL SCATTERED. AND THOUGH THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHO THEY ARE GOD KNOWS EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE.  BUT THEY WON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE IT IS TIME TO WORSHIP THE INSTEAD OF/COPYCAT/ WANNABE FAKE MESSIAH. 

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
AND WE KNOW FOR SURE WHEN THIS HAPPENS 

Revelation 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, everyone.

Do you really think any one of you can understand Revelation without first understanding the rest of the Bible?

Do you understand how important the Jewishness of the Scriptures is to understanding the Scriptures? Why do you always interpret the Scriptures from a UNIVERSAL perspective instead of a LOCAL perspective? Always black and white, never grays or colors? Why are you always thinking in English? The Scriptures were written in Hebrew and Aramaic, some translated into Greek. Furthermore, one CANNOT just rely on definitions of nouns and verbs and modifiers. One must have some understanding of GRAMMAR, particularly Hebrew/Aramaic grammar and how it influences the grammar of the Greek translations!

Start with the OTHER end of Revelation! When you understand the PHYSICAL REALITY of the New Jerusalem (Greek: hee Ieerousaleem Kaineen = Hebrew: Yerushalayim haChadashah), it will help in understanding the rest. Oh, and by the way, keep it real: ek tou ouranou, for instance, means "out of-the sky," just as Yeshua` Himself used it in Matthew 16:1-4:

Matthew 16:1-4 (KJV)

1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven (Greek: ek tou ouranou = "out of-the sky"). 2 He answered and said unto them,

"When it is evening, ye say, 'It will be fair weather': for the sky (Greek: ho ouranos = "the sky") is red. 3 And in the morning, 'It will be foul weather to day': for the sky (Greek: ho ouranos = "the sky") is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky (Greek: tou ouranou = "of-the sky"); but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas!" 

And he left them, and departed.

[Retrobyter]

11 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

That's my interpretation also. In fact, Jesus tells John to "write these things", individually, addressed to the seven churches in sequence. These seven churches are symbolic of the entire church age, and can be accurately and historically dated in chronological order.

Revelation 1:19 (KJV) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; [Emphasis mine - past, present and future; in chronological order]

Jesus gives in the above verse a chronological order of events, and there's no reason to suspect 'the things which shall be hereafter' are out of sequence. I believe Revelation chapters; 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are parenthetical chapters adding additional information to the account. 

 

Shalom, Dennis1209.

Really?! The Second Coming is "parenthetical?" That's like saying "the CPU chip is just another chip in a computer!"

Also, the seven churches are not in chronological order but in order of when one comes to them as one travels the roads that were in existence in the first century from the shore across from the Isle of Patmos! They're not said to be "symbolic" of ANYTHING!

Edited April 1, 2020 by Retrobyter
to add a point

[Revelation Man]

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

We are comparing Matt 24:29-31 with Rev 19:11-21. Show us where they are exactly the same event. You are the one that states that Matt 24:29-31 is the second coming, the same as the second coming in Rev 19:11-21. I showed you that they are not the same event. 

 

No you didn't, YOU THINK you did, now I will agree with you think you did, but you can't because its the same event. 

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Look at Matt 24:27-28....

"For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.......Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather"

This is the first mention of the coming of the Son of Man that Jesus spoke about in Matt 24. 

The last line..." Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather". I already did a post on this verse. Since it comes right after the "lightning flashing east to west, and coming of the Son of Man"..... in context then, this is referring to the dead body (the saints who have died) that the eagles (angels) will gather. This is the resurrection/rapture. Jesus’s angels will gather together the dead saints (Resurrection) and the living saints (Rapture) together upwards into the air to meet the Lord!

No, its referring to Armageddon. Where the FOWLS of Heaven {a Metaphor for the bride by that time}, will be at, defeating the Beast and his minions at the Marriage Feast. Its seems you miss the forest for the trees. The whole point Jesus is making {which seems to escape you} is, hes telling the Jews Hey, do not be DECEIVED !! Don't got to the LIAR who says hes the Messiah/Christ in the Desert or in the Secret Store Room {this is because if they leave the Petra/Bozrah area they will be killed, BUT they won't, because Jesus says....CATCH THIS.......BEHOLD, I have told you before[hand]. THUS they will not be DECEIVED !! Because they are looking towards the Eastern Skies for Jesus to ride in on the clouds. Then he comes according to the Old Testament from the Petra/Bozrah area, with bloodstains { with the Wine-press stains} on his garment. 

Jesus lands on Mt. Zion, defeats the Beast at Armageddon and then he will rule for 1000 years. Rev. 19 CLEARLY tells us the Marriage Feast is where the fowls are gathered, that is the CLUE !! Where will you be at Jesus? Where do the Fowls/Eagle gather ? Where the Carcass is at.........where will Jesus be at? Where the EVIL EXISTS that needs to be DEFEATED, of course !!Not in a Store Room or Desert Preaching, hes come this time as a CONQUEROR !! Thus the White Horse !!

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

This passage has absolutely nothing to do with Armageddon.

 

That you can see.............But then again you can't see the Rapture, so I am not looking to you for perception brother, I am just not. That doesn't mean you are not a fine Christian gentleman, winning souls for the kingdom of Christ. It is what it is.

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Luke 17:24-37...... Jesus gives the same outline saying it will be just the same on the Day that the Son of Man is revealed.....Lightning flashes from east to west, don't go and get your stuff out of the house, the one in the field must not turn back. On that night there will be two in bed, one taken and the other left, two grinding at the mill, one taken and the other one left, two in the field, one taken and the other one left.

WHERE LORD?...... "Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered"......... Vultures is the wrong translation for Aetoi.....the translation is "eagle", which is another word for "angel". Rev 8:13..."I heard an eagle flying in midheaven' saying with a loud voice' woe, woe ,woe....."...This is obviously an angel.

So here in Luke, the angels are gathering the body...."Where the body is, there the angels will gather".......This is the living body, the alive believers at the revealing of the Son of Man.

Jesus never gave the Rapture understanding to anyone until Paul came along. Matthew has the Rapture AFTER the Second Coming in verse 36-51 whilst the Second Coming is in verses 29-31. That is what was meant by it being a SECRET, that is why they didn't understand it. Seems like that would register with you brother. After the Tribulation we get the Second Coming. FACT.

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

In Matt 24:29-31, there is the appearing of the Son of Man in the clouds, He sends His angels to gather the dead body, all the saints who have died.

 

The Church CLEARLY RETURNS with the Lord, see Rev. 19, this is what one gets when they have to stick to a doctrine because that's what they have decided to go with. Its best to just go with the Scriptures. 

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Now.....in Rev 19, what do we see? We see the body, both the dead and alive that were gathered at His appearing, now in resurrection bodies. rejoicing, wearing white garments. THEN, heaven is opened, and Jesus is on a white horse, clothed with a robe dipped in blood, armies of heaven following Him on white horses, and from His mouth comes a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He treads the wine press of  the fierce wrath of God. 

An angel calls to the birds to come and gorge yourselves on the flesh of the enemies of God. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

HOW THEN is this (Rev 19) in any way, shape, or form the exact same as Matt 24:29-31? ..............There is nothing in Rev 19 that is even remotely  the same as   Matt 24:29-31. Nothing! NADA!

You can't even see the Church coming back in Rev. 19 !! I don't expect up to see the same things therefore. Rev. 19 and Matt. 24:29-31 is the Second Coming.

BADA BING !!

God Bless brother. It will clear up when we get to Heaven for you. The things I don't know will clear up for me. I try to stick with whats been revealed, and then In say, this is my understanding on this but its nor revelation, if I am seeing darkly. I don't see darkly on the Book of Revelation however. Its a gift from above. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

22 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Jesus gives in the above verse a chronological order of events, and there's no reason to suspect 'the things which shall be hereafter' are out of sequence. I believe Revelation chapters; 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are parenthetical chapters adding additional information to the account. 

 

7 isn't Parenthetical, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are.....AND 17, 18 & 19 is too seeing as Rev. 16 ENDS IT ALL...........It is DONE !! 

Basically  12, 13, 17 and 18 all start with the Seals being OPENED which I  now don't think starts until the 7th Seal is opened because the book of Judgments can't be READ until the 7th Seal is broken. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Revelation Man