IN THE MIDST OF COVID19, WHAT'S NEXT IN BIBLE PROPHECY?

[Last Daze]

17 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Therefore I suspect that there is a lot of 'universes' out there we know nothing about.

The seed of extraterrestrial life thought.  Those false prophets who perform amazing signs and wonders and deceive people will succeed in large part because people have "bought into" that speculation.

• In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Genesis 1:1

I'll stick with what we've been told. 

[dad2]

9 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

The seed of extraterrestrial life thought.  Those false prophets who perform amazing signs and wonders and deceive people will succeed in large part because people have "bought into" that speculation.

• In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Genesis 1:1

I'll stick with what we've been told. 

Since we are told it was in a week that He created the things spoken of in the beginning, and we know this heavens/universe is temporary, slated to pass away, we have been told. We were also told He is eternal. That means that He was doing stuff before the particular week He made us and this temporal universe.

 

Not sure what that has to do with cons performing miracles. Try to make sense.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

 There are four angels who are restraining the four winds of the earth, who are informed by another angel not to hurt the earth, the sea, or the trees, until they have sealed the Lords servants in their foreheads (Revelation 7:1-3). Throughout the world, the Lord's servants are as a countless number who are sealed with God's seal of Truth (Revelation 7:9). It is at the conclusion of the sealing of truth, when there is then silence in heaven for the space of about 1/2 hour, when the four angels refrain from restraining the four winds of the earth, thereby causing the damage to the earth, the sea, and the trees depicted in Revelation 8 with 1/3 of earth's natural resources destroyed, which according to the Word in Revelation 9:20 is the result of mankind's love for the things his hands produce. 

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

First, what is God's purpose in this "sealing?" It is for one purpose: to protect these 144,000 from harm during the 5th trumpet judgment:

4.  And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5.  And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

⁶ And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Why would men seek death? Because the pain of these stings will be so grievous.  Your theory of  "Throughout the world, the Lord's servants are as a countless number who are sealed with God's seal of Truth" is certainly truth, but it has NOTHING to do with the sealing of the 144,000 for their protection.  Your "deduction" strikes and fails yet again. 

What about the 4 angels holding back the judgment? Who will accomplish this judgment? Each one will be triggered by an angel with a trumpet. However, other angels may well be involved in that judgment. 

1/3 of earth's natural resources destroyed, which according to the Word in Revelation 9:20 is the result of mankind's love for the things his hands produce.

No, not what men's hands produce: it is man's SINS: "they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:  Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts"

It seems you and I have a totally different way of reading scriptures.

The 30 minutes of silence is the way God has chosen to BEGIN the 70th week of Daniel or the time of Jacob's trouble.

I suspect "the four winds" is symbolic. Those angels are to not allow the "hurt" of the trumpet judgements to begin UNTIL two events happen or are seen to be accomplished. (It is like God rearranging the setting behind a curtain to prepare for the next act: the trumpet judgments. 

What two events MUST be accomplished before "the HURT" begins?

1. The 144,000 must be sealed for their protection during the trumpet judgments - in particular the 5th.

2. The CHURCH or the Bride of Christ MUST BE seen safely in  heaven before the HURT. That huge crowd, too large to number is the church, seen in heaven just after the rapture. They came out of the great tribulation (the entire church age) one by one as each heard the gospel and were born again.  (The "came out" is a Greek present tense verb meaning coming "continuously" or coming one after another.) What does this mean? It means as each person heard the gospel and were born again at that time they came out of the great tribulation which is the church age. 

Make no mistake here, this is the just raptured church, raptured a moment before that earthquake at the 6th seal.

[Dennis1209]

Absolutely! Everything was made by Him and for Him for His purpose and pleasure, no debate there.

It's just the last few decades we're getting a picture and idea of just how vast the universe is, and the multitude of galaxies, stars, moons and planets. Yes, one day the universe is going to roll in as a scroll [it was stretched out], and everything is going to be burnt up with a fervent heat, and the Lord is going to create a new heaven and earth. I understand that to mean, the earth is not going to be annihilated, but cleansed and refurbish again. 

Ever think? All of creation 'groans' because of sin, all of creation includes the entire universe, and it's all going to be cleansed because of "sin".

Romans 8:22 (KJV) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 

Question: By one mans sin here on this planet; how did that reach and effect the entire universe?

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Try to make sense.

Why does there always have to be snark?

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

The seed of extraterrestrial life thought.  Those false prophets who perform amazing signs and wonders and deceive people will succeed in large part because people have "bought into" that speculation.

• In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Genesis 1:1

I'll stick with what we've been told. 

Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced all this UFO military fighter jet video footage being released [soft disclosure], government acknowledgement, reporting and policy changes, secret investigations, a plethora of UFO documentaries and programs. Along with the numerous documented virgin Mary aberrations. Are part of the first warning, "do not be deceived".

Other than losing all global communications and no one knows what is happening locally and globally; what better way to explain the sudden disappearance of millions of people; and the aftermath of tens of thousands of disasters [plane, auto, boat crashes, government and military leaders disappeared, nuclear plant operators, etc.]. 

It's interesting to note that a few former NASA astronauts have spilled the UFO beans after they retired. And that NASA always pulls the public accessible communication plug with the astronauts in space when they inform NASA of UFO'S, and switch to a scrambled and secure frequency. 

I suspect perceived 'ET'S' may have a role in end-time deceptions and events?

P.S. I've seen poll's where more people believe in ET'S than God.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Dennis1209

[iamlamad]

16 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Absolutely! Everything was made by Him and for Him for His purpose and pleasure, no debate there.

It's just the last few decades we're getting a picture and idea of just how vast the universe is, and the multitude of galaxies, stars, moons and planets. Yes, one day the universe is going to roll in as a scroll [it was stretched out], and everything is going to be burnt up with a fervent heat, and the Lord is going to create a new heaven and earth. I understand that to mean, the earth is not going to be annihilated, but cleansed and refurbish again. 

Ever think? All of creation 'groans' because of sin, all of creation includes the entire universe, and it's all going to be cleansed because of "sin".

Romans 8:22 (KJV) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 

Question: By one mans sin here on this planet; how did that reach and effect the entire universe?

 I understand that to mean, the earth is not going to be annihilated, but cleansed and refurbish again. 

When it says there was "NO PLACE FOUND for them:" for the old heaven and earth, that means God just lets go of the atoms and they turn right back in to the "nothing" they came from. You see, everything that is something must be somewhere. 

But you are right, how amazing that everything got tainted by sin. 

[Justin Adams]

28 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Question: By one mans sin here on this planet; how did that reach and effect the entire universe?

It aided in the later sins of the Watchers that cohabited with female and bore Nephilim. They taught mankind forbidden ways to hasten his destruction and attempted to cut off the Messiah's line. The Territorial Spirits that God put over the nations (Deut 32) also helped the general demise of all  humans. But Yeshua addressed all three issues at the Cross and Resurrection. As the apostle said He made their power into nought and removed their mandate to rule. Yeshua took away the power formerly given after Babel, (see Psalm 82) "and you will all die like men" was God's judgement. (reiterated in John 10 by Yeshua, as He was Lord of the Council).

"It is Finished" means a lot more that what we normally just consider. The Creation was fractured by sin (Gen 3, Gen 6 and Babel) and now He has set it to rights.
It is a 'done deal', but not just yet...  Nevertheless, it will be as God has Willed it from the Beginning.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Justin Adams

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, luigi said:

What is sealed under the seven seals is the information contained therein, until it is revealed. What is under the seventh seal is the information on the seven angels who provide mankind with the illumination that their actions due to the love they have for the things their hands produce (Revelation 9:20), will result in all the catastrophes described. 

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Agreed, once a seal is opened, there is something revealed only for that seal. Would it be words written? We really don't know. What we do know is that the book is a real book with words written withing the book. the seals are there only to prevent anyone unauthorized from opening the book. 

What is under the seventh seal is the information on the seven angels

I don't think so: under the 7th seal may be only 30 minutes of silence. But after the 7th seal, the BOOK can be opened to reveal what is written inside the book.  What ever comes next (the 7 trumpet judgments) must be what is written "within" the book."

[Dennis1209]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

It aided in the later sins of the Watchers that cohabited with female and bore Nephilim. They taught mankind forbidden ways to hasten his destruction and attempted to cut off the Messiah's line. The Territorial Spirits that God put over the nations (Deut 32) also helped the general demise of all  humans. But Yeshua addressed all three issues at the Cross and Resurrection. As the apostle said He made their power into nought and removed their mandate to rule. Yeshua took away the power formerly given after Babel, (see Psalm 82) "and you will all die like men" was God's judgement.

"It is Finished" means a lot more that what we normally just consider. The Creation was fractured by sin, and now He has set it to rights. It is a 'done deal', but not just yet...  Nevertheless, it will be as God has Willed it from a very long time ago.

Yeah I wasn't going to go there, but to point out that Adam / Eve's sin had to escape the confines of earth somehow and pollute the entire universe. Some think the original sin was in the Garden of Eden when Eve was tempted and ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It wasn't, Satan entered a serpent [the father of lies] and lied, deceived and tempted Eve [sins]. We all know Satan and his minions are not confined to this earth or its dimensions. I believe by one man, sin was brought to 'this world' and humanity.

It's not known when Satan was cast out of Heaven with 1/3 of his followers but, I suspect it was well before the re-creation in Genesis. The preponderance of the written Word and precise Hebrew wording language, strongly indicates everything mentioned in the creation account was not ex nihilo, but some pre existed.