Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[kwikphilly]

28 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Elect means chosen by God.  

1Pe 2:9 ESV - But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

Thanks guys....thats what I say,hubby says no.....cool stuff we discuss though,isn't it?I'm usually right anyway,as most wives areJust kidding!

[*Zion*]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

I am sorry for the confusion and apologize.

Thank you, that's ok.  I am also sorry if I came across in a less than positive way

2 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The point of my original post was that some people try to say that the teachings of Jesus do not apply to Gentiles, saying he was under the old covenant and his teaching were old covenant.  Some also say that some of the letters of the apostles aside from Paul was written to Jews only.  Which I made the point that Jesus told all his disciples/apostles to take all the things he taught them to all the nations not just Jews.  So the teachings of Jesus and all the apostles are applicable to all NT believers.

Ah   I had a slightly different understanding of what you were getting at.  Perhaps this view arose from some Jews feeling as though we Gentiles had stolen their Messiah?  That's where my mind went, reading that.  No scripture or anything to back it up, just a thought.

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Brother...

   I guess I am mistaken,the other day I was talking to my husband & I said something about "us/Born Again)" in reference to the"elect" & he said "No honey" the Elect are the Saved Jews,not us.....I don't know why I always thought I am "the Elect",haven't had time to go back & look....what say ye...........?

Very thought provoking idea, but I'm inclined to agree with Jedi4Yahweh's reply  

56 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Thanks guys....thats what I say,hubby says no.....cool stuff we discuss though,isn't it?I'm usually right anyway,as most wives areJust kidding!

 Ahem... no comment but it's true, we're always right... 

[Justin Adams]

The 'elect' were the circumcised into the community. Like Baptism it was a community joining ceremony; this is where one was supposed to learn from God. Hower, many apostatised just like many that are baptised go astray.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The 'elect' were the circumcised into the community. Like Baptism it was a community joining ceremony; this is where one was supposed to learn from God. Hower, many apostatised just like many that are baptised go astray.

It was true that old covenant keeping Jews were considered the elect under the old covenant but under the new covenant now in place anyone who is born again and saved by Messiah (Jew or Gentile) are called  'the elect'.   It apples to both to circumcised or uncircumcised.

See below stated earlier.

4 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Anybody that God has chosen for salvation is considered his Elect including Gentiles.  Paul writing to Gentiles called them 'the elect'.

Col 3:11-12 KJV - Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, long-suffering;

Elect means chosen by God.  

1Pe 2:9 ESV - But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

The word 'chosen' is the same greek work eklektos for 'elect'.

 

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[Behold]

12 hours ago, Betha said:

I like that story ! Yes we should trust in Jesus ALONE...the REAL TRUE JESUS !

we know from scripture that 'many FALSE christs are now in the world deceiving many Mat 24, 1Joh 4. so I would be entitled to ask HIM WHO HE IS  - since I would not give my allegiance to just  ANYONE using HIS NAME only.  The REAL Jesus predicted HIS OWN RESURRECTION TIMING....and it was NOT SUN day !

The real Jesus... There is only one.

Real faith teaches.   "its not by our obedience that we are saved"....but its by  HIS obedience we are saved.

How do you know that you can't save yourself?   Well, one way is to simply realize that Had there been no Jesus, there would be no salvation.

We have it, because God gave it THUR Him.

Also,  Lets say that Jesus never went to the Cross...  Ok..>Now....go and do your penance, confess all your sin to God or to your Priest, live HOLY, give to the poor, memorize then Live the Torah, and be sure not to willfully sin....   

So, are you saved now that you did all those WORKS........?????    

= NOPE.

Now, if you realize that none of that SELF EFFORT can save you, then don't let the Devil make you believe that by not doing all that can't save you, you can Lose your salvation.

Ask yourself...>"why would i believe that what can't save me, ......could cause me to lose what  only Jesus Alone DID FOR ME...........if i dont do all that stuff after HE Saves me?

Only Jesus saves., and SO only Jesus can Keep you saved.

 

 

[Wesley L]

On 4/9/2020 at 3:59 PM, Flowersun said:

The Holy Spirit leads me...no matter what you say....

I will not leave you as orphans .I will come to you.

I have a very personal intimate relationship with God...right from when he testifiedto my spirit,that he was God.....now if you can't accept that..I have no problem with it.it also has nothing to do with emotions....he is also leading me at the moment....like I have explained to you on many occasions ...God is more than the Bible...you came to know God through scripture....I came to know him through the testifying of his spirit to my spirit.

Hello Flowersun,

I have read all these off topic back and forth posts about your salvation. Although it is off topic, your salvation is very important. First I have to say, we (humans) can't read the heart. Only God can. So how I look at it is that we as fellow Christians can't be 100% sure of someone else's salvation, unless someone denies Jesus Christ openly.

It is great to hear that you are so certain of your salvation and that the Lord had let you to Him. The Holy Spirit certainly testifies to us our own salvation. 
But, our Father also tells us to test every spirit and make sure that we are not deceived.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

It is important to test in truth, which means by scripture.
Something as important as our salvation, you'd better check more than twice. That is God's advice to all Christians.

When reading your posts, some alarm bells rang:

Quote: "He is also leading me at the moment"
Depending on what you mean by this sentence. It could be dangerous to say such things. If you say you are being led by Him, and along the way you sin. That would be blaspheming God's name. (I am not saying that you are sinning, I am saying that when you say this, you should be careful not to blaspheme in God's name.) Don't take His name lightly.

Quote: The Holy Spirit drew me to himself......no bible reading what so ever ..he testified to my spirit...that he was God."
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
Depending on in what way the spirit testified to you. We can know whether it was the Holy Spirit or not. Because, God told us that faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ. We are save by faith in Christ. The second question would be, which christ? As Jehovah witnesses also say they belief in christ, but that is a total different christ than the true Christ.

Quote: he testifies to my spirit...then I check it with the word,...that's how I know.
Great! You do test with scripture.

Quote: For me to be born again...I have never read scripture,before I became born again....the Holy Spirit testified to my spirit,that was saved...Jesus died for my sins,he was crucified...all revealed to my spirit...Father Son Holy Spirit......before I read scripture.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Once again, important to know what was revealed to you before you became born again. You can't be born again unless you knew Jesus Christ/the Word. Because He is the Word, and the only way. Which truth was revealed to you? Was the Word revealed to you so you could be born again, which words/understanding did you receive?

1 Corinthians 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
I am not trying to find fault in you. I truly would like to understand the words you are saying. At this moment, it can be interpreted in different ways. It is quite confusing to me what you are really saying.

Hope you can reply my only question: Which truth was revealed to you? Was the Word revealed to you so you could be born again, which words/understanding did you receive?

EDIT: Wait, did I just missed this?? Quote:"Jesus died for my sins,he was crucified...all revealed to my spirit"
Are you saying that it was revealed to you that Jesus is Lord and that He died and resurrected so you can be saved? You didn't knew before?
Or are you saying, you knew about Jesus' death and resurrection already and that it was revealed to you that it was the truth?

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Wesley L

[Behold]

6 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Brother...

   I guess I am mistaken,the other day I was talking to my husband & I said something about "us/Born Again)" in reference to the"elect" & he said "No honey" the Elect are the Saved Jews,not us.....I don't know why I always thought I am "the Elect",haven't had time to go back & look....what say ye...........?

Hey Sista,

Many think that the "elect" has only to do with the Jews"..

However, the "elect" are also NT Christians, also known as "Brethern".    You'll notice that the apostles are talking to "elect" believers, the Born Again

Here are some NT verses that describe US, the born again, as the "elect", and there are all sorts of different contexts, include the born again "elect" being gathered into the sky

Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very ELECT.  

Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his ELECT from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 

Luke 18:7

And shall not God avenge his own ELECT, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 

Romans 8:33

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's ELECT? [It is] God that justifieth. (BY FAITH)

Colossians 3:12

Put on therefore, as the ELECT of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 

Timothy-1 5:21

I charge [thee] before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ELECT angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 

Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's ELECT, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 

Peter-1 1:2

ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Behold

[Willa]

Eph 2:12  ESV  remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Eph 2:13  But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Eph 2:14  For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility

Eph 2:15  by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

Eph 2:16  and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Eph 2:17  And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.

Eph 2:18  For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

Eph 2:19  So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

Eph 2:20  built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

Eph 2:21  in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.

Eph 2:22  In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Eph 3:6  This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel. 

 

There are OT saints and NT saints, OT elect and NT elect.  We have had the partition removed so that we gentiles and Jews alike make up the dwelling place for the Holy Spirit.  He has made us one body.  Elect/chosen and saints are used interchangeably.  

[Omegaman 3.0]

19 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

It means ON THE FIRST OF THE SABBATHS as counted towards Pentecost. Your meaning is entirely incorrect.

Well, I disagree. For the sake of those with ears to hear (that may be you) I offer the following alternative understanding or explanation of why "first day of the week" is an acceptable way to understand the passage;

This word/phrase occurs in many places such as Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2, and Acts 20:7. If it should have been translated as Sabbath, as in THE Sabbath, then there are a whole lot of Bible scholars who have studied Greek, Hebrew, and the setting and context, as well as extra-biblical literature who got it wrong.  I am guessing that they have put more time into this, than you have, but I could be wrong. If they got is wrong, and you have it correct, then I am impressed that you are so much smarter than they are!

Each major translation of the Bible in English, renders the phrase as “the first day of the week! Why would they do that? There is nothing to be gained by getting it wrong. Now, to be sure when they say “the first day of the week, they are not doing a word for word, literal translation. However, there is a reason that they don’t. They know that if they were to do that, then most readers who are not scholars who dig into that original languages and customs, will misunderstand what the authors we trying to tell us. What they know (that most readers do not know) it that the Jews did not have names for the days of the week as we do.

We (you and I and most who will read this) know the creation narrative of Genesis. As you know, it speaks of day one, day two, etc. until the day that God ceased from His labors, the seventh day. In the U.S. we sadly call the 7th day Saturday, named after Saturn. I like how in Spanish, they call it Sabato. You can see in that language the resemblance to the Hebrew from the Hebrew verb Shabbat, meaning "to rest from labor".

In Exodus 16, we see:

22 On the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers each. And when all the leaders of the congregation came and told Moses, 23 he said to them, “This is what the LORD has commanded: ‘Tomorrow is a day of solemn rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD; bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over lay aside to be kept till the morning.’”

Notice that here there is a mention of the sixth day, he does not say Friday. As I said, the Jews did not have names for days of the week. What they did was have a day of rest, the Sabbath, the 7^th day of the week, which we call Saturday. Then the week started over. The first day, the second day, the third day, etc. until they came again to the Sabbath, the day of rest.

We should examine other passages and see how sabbaton works there, if it means THE Sabbath. Consider Mark 16:

1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb.

There, on the first day of the week, is mia ton sabbaton. Mark 16:2 literally makes no sense your way, after all, verse 1 just told us, that THE SABBATH was past, and verse two tells us the sun had risen. Unless you are prepared to say that there were two Sabbaths in a row that week, and these ladies were working on the second one of these Sabbaths, you have a problem.

Hopefully you can now understand why translators say “the first day of the week (Sunday) is how it should be understood. They understand the Jewish way of reckoning days of the week. If you can except that, good, if not, then I don’t know what else to say.

However, you are right, the word Easter was a bad choice in the KJV, in my opinion.

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb.

MIA TON SABBATON is NOT the first day of the week... did you not read any of my postings? He rose on that Sabbath, and they got to the tomb just after the seventh day was over.

BEFORE THE SUN WAS RISEN is the exact quote. And yes, there was more than one Sabbath that week. Leviticus shows that and my original post.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Justin Adams