The Shakings are beginning (written in late 2019)

[luigi]

33 minutes ago, Sower said:

luigi said;

"I think one of the problems with the OSAS view is their supposition on their being born again,
when the vast majority of us (myself included) continue to sin"

 

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.    1 John 1. 8-10

I also have been confessing my sins for many years, and therefore recognize my not being born again, as 1 John 3:9 clearly indicates. I recognize and acknowledge this truth, and as such the truth will eventually set me free, so long as I earnestly wish to overcome my sins. There are those on the other hand who claim to being born again of God, while they continue to sin, and therefore have little, if any desire to leave their worldly ways.

Romans 8:6-8 & first part of 13 is in regards to this latter group who feel they are born again of God while they continue to sin. They are they who do not overcome their carnal inclinations, and do not inherit the kingdom of heaven. 

 Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Edited April 15, 2020 by luigi

[HAZARD]

Jesus Himself said to His apostles;

Mathew 26:41, Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Mark 14: 38, Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak. 

These words spoken by Christ were a waste of time if we are unable to fall back into sin!

Yes we are saved, but if we slip back into sin and fail to repent we are again lost.

Was Peter a saved man?? Yes, but he also backslid.

Matthew 26;
1. In verse 33; he boasted.
2. Made Christ a lier (v 33-35)
3. Slept instead of praying (v 40)
4. Failed to moritify the flesh (v 41)
5. Relied on the arm of flesh (v 51)
6. Forsook Christ and fled (v 56)
7. Followed afar off (v 58)
8. Sat with the Lords enemies (v 58)
9. Gave up hope-discouraged (v 58)
10. became afraid of men (v 69-74)
11. Lied (v 69-74)
12 Cursed (v 69-74).

 

In Matt. 26:58; "But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end."

Fortunately unlike Judas who hung himself, Peter repented and was forgiven by god.

Peters faith failed him. Jesus had predicted his backsliding and re-conversion (Luke 22:31-34). If he had to be reconverted he must have lost his salvation to have to be reconverted.

[kwikphilly]

10 hours ago, Gideon said:

I am saying a Christian with newness of life CAN lose his salvation IF he chooses to ignore the warnings that are scattered  throughout the entire New Testament. 

Blessings Gideon

   I have never seen someone so completely misunderstood before but I must say that it is not very easy to follow your train of thought because you keep saying "CAN lose his salvation if....."this is the problem Brother,let me try to help because I do think I understand your simple message.....I cannot take much more of you getting beat up,lol

   Now ,I may be all wrong here because I've not read many of your threads so I am unfamiliar with your writing.....you see ,I keep hearing people accuse of legalism & I do not see anything that has to do with legalism with what you are saying,it's how you are saying it,okay? Nobody is going to LOSE their Salvation IF....if nothing,there are no 'IFS" in the equation  ,it is simple- JESUS BLOOD=FAITH=FORGIVENESS=GODS GRACE=HOLY SPIRIT=FINISHED=SAVED=SEALED FOR REDEMPTION......the SEAL can NEVER be broken,not by you,not by anyone

    The message is now that you are Born Again,you ARE the Righteousness of God in Christ-clean slate,a New Creature in Christ Jesus......so do you have a new heart& a new mind? Absolutely BUT,it is the heart & mind of an infant,what happens if you do not feed an infant,you do not grow,growth is stunted,hindered,right? Can you lose your Salvation if you don't grow?Absolutely not,you can go through your entire physical life as an infant and still you are Saved-did you do anything effective,productive?No,absolutely not & you are still Saved

   Take this same newborn and throw it to the wolves,it will begin to eat like a wolf,howl like a wolf,eat what wolves eat & eventually he is as a wolf.....So the Born Again Christian lives in the world and strays from the Shepherd,he goes a bit further everyday,ignoring his hunger & thirst cravings and feeds on what the world has to offer,movies with cussing & filth,he is surrounded by unbelievers who keep him distracted all the day long,maybe drugs,whatever an ungodly lifestyle plus theyve showed him how to make a ton of money & he likes it,he's committing every immoral act under the sun-did he LOSE his SAlvation-ABSOLUTELY NOT,he cannot break the Seal,Holy Spirit Indwells & Remains within for the day of Redemption

   But what is happening here,the heart is hardening....slowly but surely the heart is hardening and he can choose to refuse,to have no part of God,to reject Holy Spirit,to grieve Holy Spirit....he can choose the god of this world.....this has nothing to do with repenting,sinning,oops I'm sorry.....this is the apostate,this one has been given a Gift that he no longer wants...this one FELL into disbelief & has been deafened & blinded by the own hardening of his heart,this ones heart is no longer made of flesh but of stone and he has no remorse for hating God...sound far fetched? HE was never Saved in the first place?Why? What is a reprobate,how does one fall away from what they never had......No,he never could have LOST his Salvation-no matter what he did or did not do......it is what he chose......

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2 Peter 2:20-22

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

²¹ For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

²² But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.     

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Hebrews 6:4-6

⁴ For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

⁵ And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

⁶ If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Hebrews 10:29

⁹ Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Luke 8:13 - They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.(and not because of sin but hardening of the heart)

2 Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Hebrews 3:12 - Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

2 Peter 3:17 - Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.    (nothing to do with works or effort,RELATIONSHIP)

Matthew 24:12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Not a one above has LOST their Salvation,they have rejected Holy Spirit,it was never anything they did or did not do.....they fell in love with Jesus at first sight and then did NOTHING except leave His Side,His Truth,His Relationship until his heart waxed cold and did not even LOSE his way,he chose another way-the way that leads to destruction,REPROBATE   This one will not be surprised when he ends up in hell,it might be a surprise that hell is not the picture the enemy painted,he will not rule with the devil but he most certainly knew he had chosen his destination,out of the Presence of God

   I know it is hard to imagine falling out of love with Jesus or to not feel awful as we sometimes go about our business & not spend time with God in Christ but most of us are mature Born Again Believers who are in Relationship ,we continue to feed our hunger & thirst for the Word of God ...it takes no effort because we yearn to be near Him,we don't worry bout sin or anything because we live under Grace......the message is simple,we NEED HIM,we always need Him,we always need His Guidance,Direction,His Word.......the message is for anyone that finds themselves drifting away into the world ....stay close to our Lord,HE Has Saved you & He Shall Keep you     again,its not about works,its not about sin,its not at all about doing anything to KEEP your Salvation,its yours,you are Blood Bought...it is about guarding your heart & YOU don't have to work at it,just wake up to saying"Good Morning Heavenly Father" & savor His Embrace! Paul Said "Pray without ceasing"....to me its simple,my spirit is in an active,integral,intimate Relationship communing with my Lord,my Savior all day long....filled to the brim with His Word

                                                                                                        With love-in Christ,Kwik

Edited April 15, 2020 by kwikphilly

[kwikphilly]

4 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Peters faith failed him. Jesus had predicted his backsliding and re-conversion (Luke 22:31-34). If he had to be reconverted he must have lost his salvation to have to be reconverted.

Peter was not yet Indwelled by Holy Spirit until Pentecost......you cannot crucify Christ twice and he didn't,Peter Believed in the Promise of the Seed,His Faith was counted as Righteousness I am sure & he was not yet fully committed.....I have no doubt his mind went completely CARNAL when His Lord,His Love<His King of kings was crucified,the enemy had a field day in Peters mind and yes,he denied him by the foothold of that old spirit of pride ,Peter could only think about himself and was gripped by the spirit of fear ,he lost his sight,just like the time he began to sink when he took his eyes off Jesus distracted by the wind ,the waves ,the storm! Here he is again,in a hurricaine of a storm and drowning quickly because he could not see His Savior.....Jesus did not yet Abide in Him.....anyway,I thought I might add that

   We are so so Blessed,so many say "Oh ,if only I walked with & talked with & spent 3&1/2 yr with Jesus,I would never have run away,never denied Him"But the Apostles had not yet been Indwelled,we are from Day One.......Now that's a whole different picture ,isn't it?My point is I suppose,that Peter didn't ever LOSE his Salvation,He was not yet SEALED.....yes,I Believe He was made Righteous by his Faith but it's a lot to consider,,don't you agree?

                                                                                                           With love-in Christ<Kwik

[Behold]

8 hours ago, HAZARD said:

No need to get all wet. These Scriptures are not fiction, they are real. Read them slowly with an open and honest heart and you might just get it.

 

Try talking about someone who was born again.

See, when you list OT people, or Judas, who were not born again, to try to prove that the Born Again can be lost, you are only showing a complete lack of understand regarding anything about salvation.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Behold

[Behold]

8 hours ago, HAZARD said:

And your personal accusations and attacks are ok??

Isn't it you that told me not to get "all wet"?

So,  if a Galatians 1:8 is preaching a lie on a Christian forum, ... for example, trying to teach real born again people that they can lose the Blood Atonement of Christ, then do you expect real believers to just look the other way and let you do it??

[luigi]

I can agree that no one is going to loose their salvation, as long as they want to be saved. So the question is: Who wants to be saved,... and saved from what?

If God and Christ who are Spirit have saved us from being servants to sin which is carnal,... then they who earnestly desire to be free from their carnal natures will so be. If on the other hand, some individuals earnestly do not wish to be free from their carnal natures,.... then the Lords offered salvation from a carnal nature will not avail them. So say the scriptures.

 Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

[Behold]

9 hours ago, luigi said:

I think one of the problems with the OSAS view is their supposition on their being born again, when the vast majority of us (myself included) continue to sin.

The reason you think of your occasional bad behavior as "sin" is because you have never been taught correctly,  anything about the Grace of God and WHY this has replaced the "law".

You need to understand......GRACE= HAS REPLACED THE LAW.  THE NEW TESTAMENT HAS REPLACED THE OLD.   THE Blood of Jesus as the New Covenant, has replaced the OLD which formally has the right to judge you as a sinner.....But it has been REPLACED by the Blood Atonement, which is the NEW TESTAMENT.

Understand, when you were lost, and im assuming you are born again, you were "under the law".......This means that the Law had dominion over you and had the legal authority to Judge you as a SINNER.

But NOW, Jesus has "removed the curse of the LAW" from the Born again.  The "curse" was the Law's right to judge you as a sinner.   But because Jesus became your sin, and died, this has justified you before God and has removed the Law's ability to ever judge you again, as you are "not under the law (anymore) you are UNDER GRACE".

 

[Alive]

The 'Truth' lies in an understanding of the Cross and what happened there.

It is very simple, but the god of this world has blinded the eyes of many. He knows after the fact, that he made a very big mistake and it angered him, so his focus is on the root--so to speak--of his mistake. He does not want folks to hang out at the foot of the cross, so he does his best to distract and he knows very well just how to appeal to man's carnal nature to do so. The error has been wrapped up in many coats, but underneath all of them is the same theme and to those who 'see', it is readily visible.

"oh that Ishmael might live before you"--read that story folks. Abraham uttered those words.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Alive

[George]

9 hours ago, HAZARD said:

And your personal accusations and attacks are ok??

Simply report them ... I will deal with them. 

And if you noticed, I had ALREADY corrected the post in the thread itself ... it was crossed out by ME, and normally would not have been shown but displayed as a means of instruction.