Tearing Down Strongholds is not easy but they will come down....

[BeauJangles]

11 minutes ago, steve morrow said:

WHO  IS  IT  THAT  IS  LORD  OF  LORDS  AND  KING  OF  KINGS ------- JESUS  CHRIST 

 

EPHESIANS  5:6  let no man deceive you ---WITH  VAIN  WORDS--- for because of these things cometh the wrath ---OF  GOD  UPON  THE  CHILDREN  OF  DISOBEDIENCE 

---5:7--- BE  YOU  NOT  THEREFORE  PARTAKERS  WITH  THEM

 

EZEKIEL 2:6  and thou son of man be not afraid of them neither be afraid of their words though briers and thorns be with thee and thou dost dwell among scorpions --- BE  NOT  AFRAID  OF  THEIR  WORDS --- nor be dismayed at their looks though they be a rebellious house 

EZEKIEL 3:4  and  HE  said unto me---SON  OF  MAN  GO  GET  THEE  UNTO  THE  HOUSE  OF  ISRAEL  AND  SPEAK  WITH  MY  WORDS  UNTO  THEM---

 

LUKE 4:4  AND  JESUS  ANSWERED  HIM  SAYING  IT  IS  WRITTEN  THAT  MAN  --SHALL NOT--  LIVE  BY  BREAD  ALONE  ---BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD  OF  GOD---

*******JOHN 5:34  BUT  I  RECEIVE  NOT  THE  TESTIMONY  OF  MAN  BUT  THESE  THINGS  --I  SAY--  THAT  YOU  MIGHT  BE  SAVED*******

1 CORINTHIANS 15:33  BE  NOT  DECEIVED  ---EVIL  COMMUNICATIONS--- CORRUPT  GOOD  MANNERS

2 TIMOTHY 3:13  BUT  EVIL  MEN  AND  SEDUCERS  SHALL  WAX  WORSE  AND  WORSE  ---DECEIVING  AND  BEING  DECEIVED---

 

ECCLESIASTES  10:12  THE  WORDS  OF  A  WISE  MANS  MOUTH  ARE  GRACIOUS  ---but the lips of a fool--- WILL  SWALLOW  UP  HIMSELF

--10:13-- THE  BEGINNING  OF  THE  WORDS  OF  HIS  MOUTH  IS  FOOLISHNESS  AND  THE  END  OF  HIS  TALK  IS  MISCHIEVOUS  MADNESS

--10:14-- A  FOOL  ALSO  IS  FULL  OF  WORDS  A  MAN  CANNOT  TELL  WHAT  SHALL  BE  AND  WHAT  SHALL  BE  AFTER  HIM  WHO  CAN  TELL  HIM

 

LUKE 4:22  --- AND  ALL  BEAR  HIM  WITNESS  AND  WONDERED  AT  THE  GRACIOUS  WORDS  WHICH  PROCEEDED  OUT  OF  HIS  MOUTH --- and they said is not this josephs son

 

*******LUKE 8:21  AND  HE  ANSWERED  AND  SAID  UNTO  THEM  MY  MOTHER  ---AND  MY  BRETHREN  ARE  THESE--- WHICH  HEAR  THE  WORD  OF  GOD  AND  DO  IT ******* 

 

PSALM 25:10  --ALL  THE  PATHS  OF  THE  LORD-- ARE  MERCY  AND  TRUTH  UNTO  SUCH  AS  KEEP  HIS  COVENANT  AND  HIS  TESTIMONIES

PSALM 56:11  IN  GOD  HAVE  I  PUT  MY  TRUST  I  WILL  NOT  BE  AFRAID  WHAT  MAN  CAN  DO  UNTO  ME

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

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[dhchristian]

Just now, dhchristian said:

1 hour ago, Alive said:

21 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

1 hour ago, Alive said:

What does this lack of complacency look like? Describe the practical day to day that makes you non-complacent.

May I recommend you read "Rut, Rot or Revival" By A.W. Tozer if you honestly want to Know the truth. Or if You can get a hold of it, a compilation of Tozer's teachings called "Faith Beyond Reason"

 

May I recommend you read "Rut, Rot or Revival" By A.W. Tozer if you honestly want to Know the truth. Or if You can get a hold of it, a compilation of Tozer's teachings called "Faith Beyond Reason"

"In The Book of Acts Faith was for each believer a beginning not an end; It was a journey, not a bed in which we lie waiting for the Day of Our Lord's triumph. Believing was not a once done act; it was more than an act, it was an attitude of heart and mind which inspired and enabled The Believers to take up his cross and follow the lamb whithersoever he went" (A.W. Tozer, Born After Midnight, "Faith is a Journey", Page 16)

Here is also a link From a part of Rut, Rot or revival, Which you will find discussing complacency.

https://truthforfree.com/html/article_christiansgreatestenemy.html 

it is a bout a five minute read. 

[Sower]

10 hours ago, dhchristian said:

The Fruit of your doctrine is complacency and not Growth to the fulness of Christ Jesus. It is quite easy to see Online. Just simple observation. 

I said;     And if you're wrong?

10 hours ago, Sower said:

And if you're wrong?

You said;  "And If You are wrong, then what?
I Think You are capable of a more intelligent response than that, so I answered in Kind."
 

32 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

2 hours ago, Sower said:

Actually, you did not answer.
You only avoided answering.
That's OK. I understand.

And You did not answer my question in return, so there. I Understand of course, You have nothing to contribute to the discussion so you raise a hypothetical question. Show me how you think I am wrong and I will respond with an answer.

You have a problem, dh. You can not understand English, or you simply choose not to.
You made a statement,
"The Fruit of your doctrine is complacency and not Growth to the fulness of Christ Jesus. It is quite easy to see Online."
My question to you was,   "what if you are wrong"?
Your answer(?) was a question. As you are an expert at discerning people's thoughts/lifestyle online, as you said above,  then
you would realize everybody recognizes your straw man answer, no answer, but a question back at me to
get the attention off your inability, or fear/reluctance to give a reason for your statement;
"your doctrine is complacency and not Growth"----It is quite easy to see Online.
If you actually believe what you post, you would/should be able to back it up, if you can.
When you choose not to, then everybody 'understands' your reluctance.
I think I understand you better now, based on your responses.
But. Should I base my understanding of you from what I 'see online?' (As you admit to doing?) 
Understand?...........

[dhchristian]

For clarification, what is the church? When I say that a church gets into the rote and then onto the rut and finely to the rot, what am I talking about?

For one thing, the church is not the building. A church is an assembly of individuals. There is a lot of meaningless dialogue these days about the church. It is meaningless because those engaged in the dialogue forget that a church has no separate existence. The church is not an entity in itself, but rather is composed of individual persons. It is the same error made about the state. Politicians sometimes talk about the state as though it were an entity in itself. Social workers talk about society, but society is people. So is the church. The church is made up of real people, and when they come together we have the church. Whatever the people are who make up the church, that is the kind of church it is - no worse and no better, no wiser, no holier, no more ardent and no more worshipful. To improve or change the church you must begin with individuals.

When people in the church only point to others for improvement and not to themselves, it is sure evidence that the church has come to dry rot. It is proof of three sins: the sin of self-righteousness, the sin of judgment and the sin of complacency.

When our Lord said, "One of you will betray Me," thank God those disciples had enough spirituality that nobody said, "Lord, is it he?" Every one of those disciples said, "Lord, is it I?" If they would not have so responded there could not have been a Pentecost. But because they were humble enough to point the finger in their own direction the Holy Spirit fell upon them.

Self-righteousness is terrible among God's people. If we feel that we are what we ought to be, then we will remain what we are. We will not look for any change or improvement in our lives. This will quite naturally lead us to judge everyone by what we are. This is the judgment of which we must be careful. To judge others by ourselves is to create havoc in the local assembly.

Self-righteousness also leads to complacency. Complacency is a great sin and covers just about everything I have said about the rote and the rut. Some have the attitude, "Lord, I'm satisfied with my spiritual condition. I hope one of these days You'll come, I will be taken up to meet You in the air and I will rule over five cities." These people cannot rule over their own houses and families, but they expect to rule over five cities. They pray spottily and sparsely, rarely attending prayer meeting, but they read their Bibles and expect to go zooming off into the blue yonder and join the Lord in the triumph of the victorious saints.

https://truthforfree.com/html/article_christiansgreatestenemy.html

 

[dhchristian]

Just now, Sower said:

You have a problem, dh. You can not understand English, or you simply choose not to.
You made a statement,
"The Fruit of your doctrine is complacency and not Growth to the fulness of Christ Jesus. It is quite easy to see Online."
My question to you was,   "what if you are wrong"?
Your answer(?) was a question. As you are an expert at discerning people's thoughts/lifestyle online, as you said above,  then
you would realize everybody recognizes your straw man answer, no answer, but a question back at me to
get the attention off your inability, or fear/reluctance to give a reason for your statement;
"your doctrine is complacency and not Growth"----It is quite easy to see Online.
If you actually believe what you post, you would/should be able to back it up, if you can.
When you choose not to, then everybody 'understands' your reluctance.
I think I understand you better now, based on your responses.
But. Should I base my understanding of you from what I 'see online?' (As you admit to doing?) 
Understand?...........

I Answered in kind, meaning I can answer you with a similar baseless question. I Was trying to show you how fruitless your question was. There was no fear of answering the question, But rather an effort to get you to ask a more poignant question on the facts as opposed to Trying to pin doubt in the conversation. I Stand by My Claim, as the One who teaches me is the Holy Ghost who shows me these things, and I trust His teaching and revelation. 

I Have now backed it up here, using Tozer to show you that what I am trying to express is an endemic problem in all of evangelical Christianity. Complacency is a real Problem and it can be seen if one knows what to look for and if you actually take the time to read the links you will see as well. You See, It was Back in 2007 that I realized my faith was in a Rut and rotting away that I turned back to Him In repentance and He changed me, and is continuing to change me. @Behold has taught here in the past in his comments that we are "SaveD" with an emphasis on the D, But the truth is that He continues to save us each and every day from ourselves and our foolish hearts. The Moment you say faith is a one time event and you have arrived is when the rot starts to set in, and You are in Complacency. For me it was just like @Behold In that I had all the doctrines right, but not the heart of growth and learning and continuing in the faith. Thus I point the finger at myself before making the claim to others, encouraging them that there is growth and blessings to come if You return to the cross with the same heart with which you were saved and Live that way continually, learning and growing in the faith as a little child. I write what I write from a heart that wants to share those blessings with others that he has shown me that they too can find this comfort and Joy by Knowing he is with us, Loving us, disciplining us, and allowing us to grow into the fulness of Christ.

But obviously some are opposed to this here, the question is where do you stand.  We rest in the finished work of Christ on the cross, But that does not mean God is finished working in us, But we continually are growing in the faith. I Have been accused of being a legalist and Calvinist and all other manner of Labels for what I am saying here But the truth is I am None of those, I am Christian who knows in part, and there are other Christians who know in Part, and when we come together in the unity of the Spirit, we shall fully Know th length depth breadth and width of the Love of God for all of us. 

 

[kwikphilly]

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

I point the finger at myself before making the claim to others, encouraging them that there is growth and blessings to come if You return to the cross with the same heart with which you were saved and Live that way continually, learning and growing in the faith as a little child. I write what I write from a heart that wants to share those blessings with others that he has shown me that they too can find this comfort and Joy by Knowing he is with us, Loving us, disciplining us, and allowing us to grow into the fulness of Christ.

But obviously some are opposed to this here, the question is where do you stand.  We rest in the finished work of Christ on the cross, But that does not mean God is finished working in us, But we continually are growing in the faith. I Have been accused of being a legalist and Calvinist and all other manner of Labels for what I am saying here But the truth is I am None of those, I am Christian who knows in part, and there are other Christians who know in Part, and when we come together in the unity of the Spirit, we shall fully Know th length depth breadth and width of the Love of God for all of us. 

Blessings dh

   I have no idea how the things you've just said are turned into being a legalist but I've not read many of the other posts,I understand exactly what you've said here & there is nothing being said like "go back to the cross & repent"......I've go back to the foot of the cross every day when I take the bread & the wine,I do it in Remembrance of Him ,I give thanks & meditate on the FACT That I am the Righteousness of God in Christ because of His Finished work,I was reborn at this place & I like to kneel at His Feet to pray & worship.....it's how I begin each morning,with Jesus Hand in Hand...sounds a lot like what you are saying....in Relationship is where we should live & breathe

   And yes,like a little child,always listening and always talking to our Lord. and feeding on His Word,its food & water,air & sunlight for us to Grow in.............CONTINUALLY and God Does Continually Work in me,as long as I'm open & willing He Continues to teach & reach........we do only know in part,I agree with all you've just said.....but then this?

 

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I Answered in kind, meaning I can answer you with a similar baseless question. I Was trying to show you how fruitless your question was. There was no fear of answering the question, But rather an effort to get you to ask a more poignant question on the facts as opposed to Trying to pin doubt in the conversation. dhchristian

   That sounds like playing games tome,why not just say what you mean & mean what you say ,,....however a person asks you a question is how they ask a question.....a fruitless question? Thats uncalled for imo   Be respectful & you get respect back,get disrespected & either answer properly(not accordingly)or don't answer at all.....

   This thread is about tearing down strongholds,isn't it?Does the enemy not have a foothold when we are influenced to retaliate in kind?                                         With love-in Christ<Kwik

[Behold]

17 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

That sounds like playing games tome,why not just say what you mean & mean what you say ,,....however a person asks you a question is how they ask a question.....a fruitless question? Thats uncalled for imo   Be respectful & you get respect back,get disrespected & either answer properly(not accordingly)or don't answer at all.....

   This thread is about tearing down strongholds,isn't it?Does the enemy not have a foothold when we are influenced to retaliate in kind?                                         With love-in Christ<Kwik

I would estimate that dhchristian has told me that my issue is that im "complacent", at least 10 times in 40 posts.

Do i seem complacent to you?

Does Alive?

I guess you missed it, then......as he accuses everyone here of being complacent unless your alt is DustyRoad, or Gideon, or apparently you or any of the Mods.

He's pretty careful about that....

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Behold

[kwikphilly]

4 minutes ago, Behold said:

I would estimate that dhchristian has told me that my issue is that im "complacent", at least 10 times in 40 posts.

Do i seem complacent to you?

Does Alive?

I guess you missed it,

Sure did miss it.....YOU complacent?Alive? Thats absurd....no,you are not complacent in any way,shape or form,lol    I just came on & only read a few posts......Sorry for laughing but thats pretty funny

[Neighbor]

On 4/26/2020 at 10:41 PM, Gideon said:

The entire basis of the law was  this:

Obey My Voice and you will be my people and I will be your God. 

 

It is the same today.

[JustPassingThru]

Fourteen pages and not any Scriptural Truth on what a "Stronghold" is, ...let alone, Scriptural Truth and principles as to how to "tear one down" in our lives...

First thing is, ...Father has to "reveal" it to us, ...we can't/don't recognize we have them, ...carnal human natural is always comparing ourselves with someone we consider lower than ourselves, "Well, ...I'm better than that person!"

Truth is, ...only God can tear down a "Stronghold," ...the enemy loves for us to believe we "can" defeat him in/with our own carnal, fleshly ways, ...he stands back and laughs, ...how ludicrous of us to think we can defeat the most perfect, intelligent, powerful being, ...God created!  

 

One of the "Strongholds" they enemy had in my life was, ...I "worshiped" my "intelligence" and used it to make myself what is considered a "self-made" man, ...I had been providing for myself, since my father died when I was twenty, ...for twenty-one years until Father told me to come here.

Father used Tahiti to break down the Stronghold in my life, ...reality set in, ...if Father hadn't provided food, shelter, work, ....protection from Immigration, ..I could never of survived here...

He allows the testing and the trials in our lives so that when we arrive at the end, ...when He gives us the answer, ...we can see and understand the "spiritual" principle He wants us to see, learn and appropriate into our hearts and lives.

Some of His children have a few and some have many, ...but "only" He can tear them down and remove the"Strongholds" from our lives...

Didn't Jesus tell us...

...for without Me you can do nothing.

"Nothing," ...also includes "Strongholds" in our lives...

Lord bless