Is abortion for raped victims allowed ?

[The_Patriot21]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The issue is getting into Heaven. The child goes to Heaven and if the mother wants to go to Heaven she will have to be reconciled with her child. I actually had a very vivid dream about my daughter in Heaven. 

Well yes and no...we are saved by grace through faith. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where abortion is the unforgivable sin, so if a mother were to have an abortion and then come to Christ, the sin would be forgiven. And there are no tears or heartache in heaven....I'll admit Im not sure how it would work, but I don't really think reconciliation with the child in heaven would be the issue, just dealing with the trauma here on earth, which many post abortion mother's do struggle with.

[The_Patriot21]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The situations I know of the parents end up raising the child. Although they will try to get the daughter to do as much as she can.  It is poetic justice because they should have educated her on how not to get pregnant. A lot of churches have programs to teach young girls how to avoid a situation like this. 

You'd be surprised at how many women considering abortions come from strong religious parents who do teach abstinence and Godly sex.

Unfortunately, while many christians are great at hammering home Godly views of saving sex for marriage, what they faulter on is showing grace and forgiveness, so when their daughter rebels and messes up (which face it, teenagers do that) they're often to scared of their parents reaction to go to them for help, and think abortion is their only way out. It's unfortunately very sad.

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot21 said:

You'd be surprised at how many women considering abortions come from strong religious parents who do teach abstinence and Godly sex.

The average 12 year old knows more about sex today then what I knew when I was 50 years old. Because we did not talk about it. It was a taboo subject. I ordered a book about it though the mail once and my mom threw a fit when she found out. 

[R. Hartono]

26 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

The average 12 year old knows more about sex today then what I knew when I was 50 years old. Because we did not talk about it. It was a taboo subject. I ordered a book about it though the mail once and my mom threw a fit when she found out. 

Google doesnt block porn thats why children are Wretched.

[JohnR7]

2 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Google doesnt block porn thats why children are Wretched.

The sad thing is they think sex is what they see on the internet and it's not. 

[Omegaman 3.0]

14 hours ago, believeinHim said:

I will just add, This isn't Christian. This is Fundamentalist. 

Fundamentalist Christian is exactly what the Founding Fathers' were trying to protect with the Separation of Church and State.

This isn't Christian, This is Fundamentalism. As a woman with a Sincere, Disorder, And Disability,

This sounds Fundamentalist.

How do you figure that? They did not create a separation of church and state, they created assurance that the government would keep out of the business of the church. The danger they perceived was not fundamentalists, it was government interference in religious matters.

[Starise]

The argument for abortion based on the age of a rape victim and the external situation doesn't hold water. 

The woman has the child either way, either dead through drugs surgery ( they go in and vaccum the child out of her killing the child in the process ) or natural childbirth. Which is harder on a woman's body ? Neither of those is any fun for a woman and she will live with the first option the rest of her life. There is no easy way out of some situations. If the argument is that a young mother could not raise a child, there is family or the child can be given up for adoption.

The baby murder solution promises to "get rid of" the problem. It overlooks the fact that we are dealing with a human life no matter what the external circumstances are.

Someone quoted a very low age for a rape victim. Yes it happens and it is very unfortunate. I am not without empathy for these victims. The arguments in favor of can't be based on age. Age was used in this case as a distraction because many rape victims are much older. We can't topple the whole house of cards based on .00001% of the total with respect to this issue. Opponents would have you believe this is a vast swath of the rapes. I don't deny that counselors, maybe several here see these younger girls at times and might incorrectly infer this is the main group. This is likely because those older don't seek counseling, they just get abortions.

Even in the case of the .00001% Some dignity can be salvaged for the girl and the child saved. Any one of us could have been that child born of a young mother who would not be here today if it were not for strong women pushing through those incredibly difficult circumstances.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Starise

[angels4u]

47 minutes ago, Starise said:

The argument for abortion based on the age of a rape victim and the external situation doesn't hold water. 

The woman has the child either way, either dead through drugs surgery ( they go in and vaccum the child out of her killing the child in the process ) or natural childbirth. Which is harder on a woman's body ? Neither of those is any fun for a woman and she will live with the first option the rest of her life. There is no easy way out of some situations. If the argument is that a young mother could not raise a child, there is family or the child can be given up for adoption.

The baby murder solution promises to "get rid of" the problem. It overlooks the fact that we are dealing with a human life no matter what the external circumstances are.

Someone quoted a very low age for a rape victim. Yes it happens and it is very unfortunate. I am not without empathy for these victims. The arguments in favor of can't be based on age. Age was used in this case as a distraction because many rape victims are much older. We can't topple the whole house of cards based on .00001% of the total with respect to this issue. Opponents would have you believe this is a vast swath of the rapes. I don't deny that counselors, maybe several here see these younger girls at times and might incorrectly infer this is the main group. This is likely because those older don't seek counseling, they just get abortions.

Even in the case of the .00001% Some dignity can be salvaged for the girl and the child saved. Any one of us could have been that child born of a young mother who would not be here today if it were not for strong women pushing through those incredibly difficult circumstances.

Could it be that many women who abort babies,don't really know what they're doing and don't really think how the process is happening? How can somebody not want to save a baby but instead cut the arms ,legs and pull the baby apart because of its inconvenience to them? It's so very sad what happened since the beginning of time( offering to the Molech) Praying God will given women understand that it is killing and murdering their own baby,only God can convince them of truth,this world is a mess ..

[Dennis1209]

Among other scripture, the following taken in context states human life begins at conception.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. “Indeed, I was guilty when I was born; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.” — Psalm 51:5 (CSB)

Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins (inward parts): thou hast covered me (knit me together) in my mother's womb. [translation added]

In the latter of these two verses, the Psalmist says God created his “inward parts” when he knit him together in the womb. The Hebrew term translated “inward parts” (kilyah) was the term ancient Israelites used to refer to the seat of a person’s inner life — what we in English would call the heart, soul, or personality.

Several videos show what happens at the instant of conception in the womb. There is a brilliant flash of light. Science is unsure what causes it and speculates that illuminance is a chemical reaction, and I think otherwise.

The Lord details Israeli child sacrifice in Leviticus 20:2-5 as an example. Child sacrifice is child sacrifice, be it to Moloch or the god of irresponsibility, convenience, or rape. We cannot create life ex nihilo; we have no right to terminate it.

Do our laws on homicide make any logical sense? A woman can choose abortion or not. Can a man decide not to pay child support or demand termination?

It is legal to choose to abort a baby. A woman wanting to carry that child to term, a drunk smashes his car head-on, and the baby in the womb is killed. If the significant other or anyone punched the woman in the stomach and the baby dies, it is homicide. Where is the secular logic of the sanctity of life between wanted and unwanted? Not to mention the legal rights of a person that cannot speak for themselves.

Contrary to some beliefs, life does not begin at the first breath. Plans and talk were underway to extend late-term abortion to the outside of the womb.

[Thewhitedove]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:40 PM, The_Patriot21 said:

Name an example where a 10 year old couldn't carry the child to term.  I have yet to hear of an example of a 10 year old dying in pregnancy. I have heard an example of a 9 year old who carried almost to term and delivered via C-section because the doctors were worried the child couldn't handle to actual birthing process, but the actual pregnancy the girl had zero issues with. The parents adopted the child and raised it as a little sibling, it's father was a now imprisoned uncle.

And C-sections in this day in age aren't a big deal. Many mother's choose C-sections out of convenience. Modern medicine is a wonderful thing, don't you agree?

 

I've had 2 c-sections (and one natural birth). Both modes were absolutely brutal in their own ways. Caesarian sections are major surgery and absolutely no walk in the park. I am pro-life, but we absolutely have to be realistic as to the immense risk and realities involved during pregnancy and childbirth. It undermines the cause so much when we sweep away the reality of what carrying and delivering a baby entails.

I can't imagine a little child going through labour nor recovering from a c section. As a healthy, grown woman, I was absolutely traumatised after the birth of my first child and felt like like I had been hit by a bus after all of them.

Please let's not minimise the pressure which pregnancy puts on a woman's body, nor how horrendous childbirth can be, including c sections. I say that as someone who despises abortion. It needs to be acknowledged.