what needs to happen for the end times to arrive ?

[douggg]

On 8/29/2022 at 10:55 AM, Sparks said:

I am well aware of John's writings.  Jesus has always been God. 

God is so far beyond our ability to grasp Him, we can only handle a limited degree of understanding.

But yes, I agree with you that Jesus has alway been God.   

In regards to creation, of everything, Jesus said he came forth from the Father.    Jesus also said no one truly knows the Father but the Son (Jesus).

In 1Corinthains15:47, in comparison with  Adam, the first man, as originating from the earth,  Jesus is said to be the second man, being the Lord from heaven.

So if we put all those things together, it appears to me as the first thing God (beyond our understanding) did was to come forth from Himself in a form that everything He would then create could perceive Him.    That form is the Lord from heaven.

Who Jesus is - is the Lord from heaven who entered this world, taking on the likeness of  man, in order to save us from the penalty of our sins, having no sin of himself, which he could be an atonement for us;  which when we see him as He is, He will be in His glory .

Yes, Jesus is God, and has always been God.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by douggg

[tatwo]

3 minutes ago, douggg said:

So if we put all those things together, it appears to me as the first thing God (beyond our understanding) did was to come forth from Himself in a form that everything He would then create could perceive Him.    That form is the Lord from heaven.

That's an awesome picture of truth...douggg...nice!

Thx

[douggg]

On 8/25/2022 at 11:03 PM, grumix8 said:

1. Matthew 24

2. The third temple built

3. What else in your opinion ?

We are in the end times.    I would put the events to happen in terms of Pre-70th week, and 70th week.

The 70th week will begin right after the Gog/Magog event.

one liner sequence of events:

Pre-70th week:
1. little horn becomes leader of a ten leader european coalition.
2. Gog/Magog takes place and Gog's army destroyed
3. the little horn moves his EU army into the middle east as peace keepers.
4. little horn is anointed the king of Israel messiah, making him the Antichrist.

70th week:
1. confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant, day 1, 70th week.
2. a false messianic age
3. the transgression of desolation act
4. antichrist killed and brought back to life to become the beast
5. the abomination of desolation set up
6. the great tribulation and tribulation of those days
7. the sign of the Son of man in heaven
8. armies gather at Armageddon 45 days to make war on Jesus
9. Jesus returns, and destroys those armies.

Edited September 16, 2022 by douggg

[WilliamL]

On 9/17/2022 at 1:06 PM, Da Puppers said:

These heifers have already passed the "[no] white hair" test.   

So far.

"The cows were between 5-8 months old. To be suitable for the red heifer ceremony, the cow must be two years and one day old so these heifers will be raised in Israel until they reach the proper age. ... Sometimes, a calf that is perfectly red when it is young develops black or white hairs as it grows older or may develop a blemish. "

https://www.israel365news.com/274830/watch-red-heifers-arrive-in-israel/

That is a long time for non-red hairs to develop; which has been the case in the past for former seemingly-promising red heifers.

So all this hoo-raw I think is more of a promotional stunt than something to jump up and shout about.

[Last Daze]

On 8/25/2022 at 11:03 PM, grumix8 said:

3. What else in your opinion ?

Jesus broke down the last days (which began in the first century) into these two parts:

This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.  Matt 24:14

The gospel has been preached around the world as evidenced by Jerusalem not being trampled by Gentiles (Luke 21:24).  The end began with the first seal being opened several decades ago when the beast was released from the abyss to go forth conquering and to conquer (Rev 6:1-2).  

[JoeCanada]

15 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Jesus broke down the last days (which began in the first century) into these two parts:

This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.  Matt 24:14

The gospel has been preached around the world as evidenced by Jerusalem not being trampled by Gentiles (Luke 21:24).  The end began with the first seal being opened several decades ago when the beast was released from the abyss to go forth conquering and to conquer (Rev 6:1-2).  

Hey LD,

If the Gospel has been preached to all nations, then the end will come..... so why hasn't it come?

I suppose that the Gospel has been given in one form or another to all nations,

but....... 

Are there still people groups who have not heard the "message of the Gospel"?

According to the Joshua Project:

The Gospel has not been preached in the world especially in the third world countries. People groups have not been reached for Jesus Christ.

It is estimate exactly how many people groups are in the world today but the best guess, calculated by Joshua Project, is 16,543 people groups. Out of these, there are 6,701 unreached – that is 42.1% of the world’s people groups that have never heard or accepted the Good News of Jesus Christ (Missions College – Bethany Global University). That is a lot of people.

According to Scripture, the Gospel will be preached by an angel to every nation and tribe and tongue and people....Rev 14:6

and then the end will come.....

And in Rev 14:14..... "the harvest of the earth is ripe..... and He who sits on the cloud will swing His sickle over the earth and gather the righteous"

This follows what Jesus said in Matthew 24 where He gives an outline of the happenings at the time of the end, which correlate to the 7 seals. 

"See to it that no one [c]misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [d]Christ,’ and they will [e]mislead many people. 6 And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 And at that time many will [f]fall away, and they will [g]betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and [h]mislead many people. 12 And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole [j]world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come"

[Rick-Parker]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

If the Gospel has been preached to all nations, then the end will come..... so why hasn't it come?

Because there is presently a massive harvest of souls occurring in Asia and Africa. The full number has not come in. But if we continue at the speed we are, it won't be long now. Come Jesus, come!

[missmuffet]

4 minutes ago, Rick-Parker said:

Because there is presently a massive harvest of souls occurring in Asia and Africa. The full number has not come in. But if we continue at the speed we are, it won't be long now. Come Jesus, come!

Yes, maranatha!

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

If the Gospel has been preached to all nations, then the end will come..... so why hasn't it come?

He didn't say it would come immediately.  It's a process.  The seed has been sown.  The crop is being brought to maturity.  The fullness of the Gentiles will come in, and the process will be completed, at the return of Jesus.  The wheat will be separated from the chaff during the end time "process."

The times of the Gentiles corresponds to the seven letters to the seven Gentile churches.  The time of the end is unfolded in the opening of the seven seals.

[Omegaman 3.0]

apostasy and the anti-christ, the time containing the great-tribulation