Submission

[thereselittleflower]

Great. She was disobedient, not confused. 

   One can be disobedient and confused at the same time hmbld.

Edited October 3, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Steve_S]

Great. She was disobedient, not confused. 

   One can be disobedient and confused at the same time hmbld.

We aren't told that she was confused. We are told that she was deceived.

con·fused

kənˈfyo͞ozd/

adjective

 

1. (of a person) unable to think clearly; bewildered.

    

    

   de·ceive

   dəˈsēv/

   verb

   past tense: deceived; past participle: deceived

   1. (of a person) cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.
   2.  

[hmbld]

Great. She was disobedient, not confused. 

   One can be disobedient and confused at the same time hmbld.

That would be adding to scripture. I believe what I read in scripture. 

[Guest shiloh357]

Great. She was disobedient, not confused. 

   One can be disobedient and confused at the same time hmbld.

No, you can't.   If you are confused, the mistakes you make are unintentional.  If you are disobedient, it is intentional.  Disobedience infers that you understand that you have the choice to obey or not.

Sorry you are trying to defend an indefensible, irrational postion.  You lost this argument quite a while back.

[Kan]

Eve's choice was still based on personal gain and not on submission to the will of God, regardless of what confusion or deception or distraction occurred, as a result of conversing with a creature uttering lies. 

The deception happened gradually, it was a process of temptation and yielding in increments, which by the way, is indicated, as Littleflower has been trying to show, by Eve's response to the serpent in adding the part about touching the fruit.

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[other one]

On the topic of Eve saying they must not touch it ir they will die. 

The burden of proof is on the one who lays the claim.  On what authority do you claim God did not tell them not to touch it?  I see no reason not to believe Eve's testimony.  Convince me otherwise please.  Thank you.

by reading of the incident in Genesis....   show me where God told them not to touch it.....

[other one]

if they didn't know the difference between good and evil  (right and wrong)  did they really conceive what they were doing was bad....    so I did something God said not to do.....   so what...     that kind of thought.

 

The whole thing was a set up from the start to have God not directly responsible for Adam and Eve and thus the rest of us know the difference in good and evil which makes us a good judge for the angels.

 

So from my perspective it really doesn't matter whether or not eve was deceived or just outright disobedient for God intended for her to do what she did from the start......    and don't tell me he's not smart enough to know that....

[Guest shiloh357]

This is not that difficult.  Eve said nothing wrong and she was not confused.   Jesus set forth a principle that is already in play in Gen. 3.   Jesus stated that a sin begins in the heart when we entertain it.  When we try to see how close we can get to the fire without getting burned, we have already committed that sin in our hearts.

The command not to touch the tree isn't explicitly stated, but it is implied.    A commandment not to commit adultery implies that we not do other things that might lead to adultery.   I mean, there is nothing inherently wrong with having a coffee at a café  with a married member of the opposite sex we are not married to, but that is approaching a dangerous place even if it nothing more than plutonic friendship.   Affairs are often born from those kinds friendships that seem so harmless at first.   So, it makes good sense that to understand the commandment not to commit adultery also means, by implication, that we do nothing that would lead to such a sin. 

The idea is to stay as far away from sin.   Eve should never have been near the tree.  Not eating of the fruit of the tree implies that they are  not to touch it, or go near it.  Just stay away from it and tend to the other trees.

The devil lied to her about dying.  God said they would die if they ate of the tree, and Satan said they would not.   The first thing Satan did was cause her to doubt the promises and righteousness of God.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

How did I end up in that quote, LOL!

[enoob57]

probably a techneon field generator