Pre-tribbers, what do you have

[iamlamad]

 

 

 

I do divide the symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27 into two separate 1260 day periods, because that's exactly what the Dan.9:27 Scripture does as written. But the actual 'tribulation' timing was shown by Christ to start at the midpoint of the "one week", meaning the latter 1260 day half of the "one week". That latter half fits the 42 months of the dragon's reign, the 1260 days God's two witnesses prophesy in Jerusalem, and the 42 months the Gentiles are given to tread the holy city per Rev.11 & 13.

 

Now those who don't heed that division as written there, why would those do such a thing if they're serious about wanting God's Truth?

 

 

Because the wording of the first 3.5 years fits the timing and events of Jesus' ministry perfectly.  So if that is past history , this leaves only the great tribulation as future, and this is the reason all those 3.5 year periods describing the tribulation overlap so well.

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But actually, the Dan.9:27 wording does not... fit anything about Christ's Ministry.

 

Jesus didn't make any 7 year covenant that ended in the middle of the 7 years. He offered The New Covenant of His Blood shed upon His cross to all who would believe, from the time He was preached in Jerusalem and then to the Gentiles, even up til today. So by modifying the Dan.9:27 Scripture by saying it doesn't mean a 7 year period, or that it fits Christ's Ministry when it clearly does not, just to fit some erroneous doctrine of men that it involved Christ's Ministry on earth is nothing but pure butchering of the Scriptures.

 

 

The covenant referred to in Dan.9:27 is the "league" of Dan.11:23 the "vile person" makes to become strong with a small people.

 

 

The actual Hebrew is "gve strength to a covenant", often translated as "confirm a covenant".

 

God promised Jews a Messiah to set them free, for 3.5 years of Jesus' ministry he did so.

In the great tribulation (3.5 years)  Jews will also be open to the gospel until the second coming. 

 

So for 7 years Jesus will be confirmed as Messiah to the Jews.

 

Did Jesus destroy "the city and the sanctuary?"  I was almost sure that was Titus and his armies. of course, God allowed it to happen. It did not happen while God was sleeping. But it was the Roman army that destroyed.

 

LAMAD

[Salty]

Salty, you are on sifting sand in regards to this, friend.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27

One week in the Bible equals 7 years.

 

No idea what you mean, because I agree the KJV puts those periods given in the Dan.9 prophecy as 'symbolic' weeks of years. But in the Hebrew the idea is merely 'sevens'.

 

The Dan.9:27 verse speaks of only ONE week, the final "one week", the 70th week that is still yet to be fulfilled. Jesus made no covenant for a period of 7 years that was broken in the middle.

 

Dan.9

²⁷ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

That part in red is the breaking of that covenant in the middle of that "one week" (7 years) period. It divides the 7 years into two parts equal to 1260 days each. In the middle of the 7 years that one will end the daily sacrifice and oblation and instead place the abomination that makes desolate, per Dan.11:31.

 

Dan.11

³¹ And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

That is what that "midst of the week" event of Dan.9:27 is about.

 

Dan.12

⁶ And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

⁷ And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him That liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

Since the event of the abomination of desolation being placed was the subject flow from Dan.11, and the tribulation was the subject of Dan.12:1, the flow of events continue with this question being asked, how long to the end of those things. Ans: a time, times, and an half, which equals 3.5 years, or 1260 days. That is giving us the time AFTER the one of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:21-31 ends the daily sacrifice and oblation and places the abomination instead at the "midst of the week". So 1260 days or 3.5 years after the "midst of the week" is when all these things shall be finished.

 

In Dan.8 the question is asked how long is the "vision" of the daily sacrifice and transgression of desolation.

 

Dan.8

¹³ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

¹⁴ And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

The cleansing of the sanctuary is the very end of the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy. So it means to set the end of the 2300 days at the very end of the 70th week. Since the previous 1260 day period also is to end at the end of all these things, that means it ends at the end of the 70th week also. Now both periods can be compared to each other in parallel.

 

|--------------------------------"one week" (7 years) of Dan.9:27-----------------------------------------------------|

........................................................|--"midst of the week"--|----"time, times, and an half" (3.5 yrs.)--|

......................................|-------------------"two thousand and three hundred days"--------------------------|

 

 

Since Dan.9:27 "one week" equals a 7 year period, 3.5 is only half of it. Another 3.5 years, or 1260 days must be reckoned for the first part of the one week. The 2300 days minus the last half 1260 days gives us 1040 days for the first half.

 

 

|-------------------1260 days------------------|--middle ---|------------------1260 days-------------------------------|

|-------1040 days -------|--------------------------------------2300 days------------------------------------------------|

 

 

Now we can find out that short period right after the 1040 days, but before the start of the midst of the week. 1260 days of the first half minus the 1040 days = 220 days. Now we have that short period between the 1040 days and midst of the week.

 

|-----1040 days--------|--220 days--------|--middle---|-------------------1260 days--------------------------------|

[Hindsfeet]

Nice Salty, Thank you! I could never figure out the 2300!

[He giveth more grace]

OK, Salty, my bad. I'll chide you later. lol

[iamlamad]

 

Salty, you are on sifting sand in regards to this, friend.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27

One week in the Bible equals 7 years.

 

No idea what you mean, because I agree the KJV puts those periods given in the Dan.9 prophecy as 'symbolic' weeks of years. But in the Hebrew the idea is merely 'sevens'.

 

The Dan.9:27 verse speaks of only ONE week, the final "one week", the 70th week that is still yet to be fulfilled. Jesus made no covenant for a period of 7 years that was broken in the middle.

 

Dan.9

²⁷ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

That part in red is the breaking of that covenant in the middle of that "one week" (7 years) period. It divides the 7 years into two parts equal to 1260 days each. In the middle of the 7 years that one will end the daily sacrifice and oblation and instead place the abomination that makes desolate, per Dan.11:31.

 

Dan.11

³¹ And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

That is what that "midst of the week" event of Dan.9:27 is about.

 

Dan.12

⁶ And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

⁷ And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him That liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

Since the event of the abomination of desolation being placed was the subject flow from Dan.11, and the tribulation was the subject of Dan.12:1, the flow of events continue with this question being asked, how long to the end of those things. Ans: a time, times, and an half, which equals 3.5 years, or 1260 days. That is giving us the time AFTER the one of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:21-31 ends the daily sacrifice and oblation and places the abomination instead at the "midst of the week". So 1260 days or 3.5 years after the "midst of the week" is when all these things shall be finished.

 

In Dan.8 the question is asked how long is the "vision" of the daily sacrifice and transgression of desolation.

 

Dan.8

¹³ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

¹⁴ And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

The cleansing of the sanctuary is the very end of the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy. So it means to set the end of the 2300 days at the very end of the 70th week. Since the previous 1260 day period also is to end at the end of all these things, that means it ends at the end of the 70th week also. Now both periods can be compared to each other in parallel.

 

|--------------------------------"one week" (7 years) of Dan.9:27-----------------------------------------------------|

........................................................|--"midst of the week"--|----"time, times, and an half" (3.5 yrs.)--|

......................................|-------------------"two thousand and three hundred days"--------------------------|

 

 

Since Dan.9:27 "one week" equals a 7 year period, 3.5 is only half of it. Another 3.5 years, or 1260 days must be reckoned for the first part of the one week. The 2300 days minus the last half 1260 days gives us 1040 days for the first half.

 

 

|-------------------1260 days------------------|--middle ---|------------------1260 days-------------------------------|

|-------1040 days -------|--------------------------------------2300 days------------------------------------------------|

 

 

Now we can find out that short period right after the 1040 days, but before the start of the midst of the week. 1260 days of the first half minus the 1040 days = 220 days. Now we have that short period between the 1040 days and midst of the week.

 

|-----1040 days--------|--220 days--------|--middle---|-------------------1260 days--------------------------------|

 

Salty, that 2300 number was for ANTIOCHUS! You can't use that for the future 790th week! Therefore all your figuring is nonsense.

The verse Daniel 9:27 is also about Antiochus, NOT the Beast of Revelation.

Good point: you are 100% correct that BOTH HALVES of the 70th week are future.

 

LAMAD

[Salty]

 

 

Salty, you are on sifting sand in regards to this, friend.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27

One week in the Bible equals 7 years.

 

No idea what you mean, because I agree the KJV puts those periods given in the Dan.9 prophecy as 'symbolic' weeks of years. But in the Hebrew the idea is merely 'sevens'.

 

The Dan.9:27 verse speaks of only ONE week, the final "one week", the 70th week that is still yet to be fulfilled. Jesus made no covenant for a period of 7 years that was broken in the middle.

 

Dan.9

²⁷ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

That part in red is the breaking of that covenant in the middle of that "one week" (7 years) period. It divides the 7 years into two parts equal to 1260 days each. In the middle of the 7 years that one will end the daily sacrifice and oblation and instead place the abomination that makes desolate, per Dan.11:31.

 

Dan.11

³¹ And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

That is what that "midst of the week" event of Dan.9:27 is about.

 

Dan.12

⁶ And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

⁷ And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him That liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

Since the event of the abomination of desolation being placed was the subject flow from Dan.11, and the tribulation was the subject of Dan.12:1, the flow of events continue with this question being asked, how long to the end of those things. Ans: a time, times, and an half, which equals 3.5 years, or 1260 days. That is giving us the time AFTER the one of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:21-31 ends the daily sacrifice and oblation and places the abomination instead at the "midst of the week". So 1260 days or 3.5 years after the "midst of the week" is when all these things shall be finished.

 

In Dan.8 the question is asked how long is the "vision" of the daily sacrifice and transgression of desolation.

 

Dan.8

¹³ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

¹⁴ And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

The cleansing of the sanctuary is the very end of the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy. So it means to set the end of the 2300 days at the very end of the 70th week. Since the previous 1260 day period also is to end at the end of all these things, that means it ends at the end of the 70th week also. Now both periods can be compared to each other in parallel.

 

|--------------------------------"one week" (7 years) of Dan.9:27-----------------------------------------------------|

........................................................|--"midst of the week"--|----"time, times, and an half" (3.5 yrs.)--|

......................................|-------------------"two thousand and three hundred days"--------------------------|

 

 

Since Dan.9:27 "one week" equals a 7 year period, 3.5 is only half of it. Another 3.5 years, or 1260 days must be reckoned for the first part of the one week. The 2300 days minus the last half 1260 days gives us 1040 days for the first half.

 

 

|-------------------1260 days------------------|--middle ---|------------------1260 days-------------------------------|

|-------1040 days -------|--------------------------------------2300 days------------------------------------------------|

 

 

Now we can find out that short period right after the 1040 days, but before the start of the midst of the week. 1260 days of the first half minus the 1040 days = 220 days. Now we have that short period between the 1040 days and midst of the week.

 

|-----1040 days--------|--220 days--------|--middle---|-------------------1260 days--------------------------------|

 

 

Salty, that 2300 number was for ANTIOCHUS! You can't use that for the future 790th week! Therefore all your figuring is nonsense.

The verse Daniel 9:27 is also about Antiochus, NOT the Beast of Revelation.

Good point: you are 100% correct that BOTH HALVES of the 70th week are future.

 

LAMAD

 

 

You don't have a clue as to what your saying. The 2300 days of Dan.8:14 is involving the transgression of desolation, the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted in His Olivet Discoure for end time events, and the Rev.11 event of the Gentiles treading the holy city for 42 months, and even declares the vision is for the end of this world...

 

Dan.8

¹¹ Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

¹² And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

¹³ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

¹⁴ And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

¹⁵ And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

¹⁶ And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

¹⁷ So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

[He giveth more grace]

Oh, the huge quotes, over and over again, my head is swirling.

[iamlamad]

 

 

 

Salty, you are on sifting sand in regards to this, friend.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel 9:27

One week in the Bible equals 7 years.

 

No idea what you mean, because I agree the KJV puts those periods given in the Dan.9 prophecy as 'symbolic' weeks of years. But in the Hebrew the idea is merely 'sevens'.

 

The Dan.9:27 verse speaks of only ONE week, the final "one week", the 70th week that is still yet to be fulfilled. Jesus made no covenant for a period of 7 years that was broken in the middle.

 

Dan.9

²⁷ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

That part in red is the breaking of that covenant in the middle of that "one week" (7 years) period. It divides the 7 years into two parts equal to 1260 days each. In the middle of the 7 years that one will end the daily sacrifice and oblation and instead place the abomination that makes desolate, per Dan.11:31.

 

Dan.11

³¹ And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

 

That is what that "midst of the week" event of Dan.9:27 is about.

 

Dan.12

⁶ And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

⁷ And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him That liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

Since the event of the abomination of desolation being placed was the subject flow from Dan.11, and the tribulation was the subject of Dan.12:1, the flow of events continue with this question being asked, how long to the end of those things. Ans: a time, times, and an half, which equals 3.5 years, or 1260 days. That is giving us the time AFTER the one of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:21-31 ends the daily sacrifice and oblation and places the abomination instead at the "midst of the week". So 1260 days or 3.5 years after the "midst of the week" is when all these things shall be finished.

 

In Dan.8 the question is asked how long is the "vision" of the daily sacrifice and transgression of desolation.

 

Dan.8

¹³ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

¹⁴ And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

The cleansing of the sanctuary is the very end of the Daniel 70 weeks prophecy. So it means to set the end of the 2300 days at the very end of the 70th week. Since the previous 1260 day period also is to end at the end of all these things, that means it ends at the end of the 70th week also. Now both periods can be compared to each other in parallel.

 

|--------------------------------"one week" (7 years) of Dan.9:27-----------------------------------------------------|

........................................................|--"midst of the week"--|----"time, times, and an half" (3.5 yrs.)--|

......................................|-------------------"two thousand and three hundred days"--------------------------|

 

 

Since Dan.9:27 "one week" equals a 7 year period, 3.5 is only half of it. Another 3.5 years, or 1260 days must be reckoned for the first part of the one week. The 2300 days minus the last half 1260 days gives us 1040 days for the first half.

 

 

|-------------------1260 days------------------|--middle ---|------------------1260 days-------------------------------|

|-------1040 days -------|--------------------------------------2300 days------------------------------------------------|

 

 

Now we can find out that short period right after the 1040 days, but before the start of the midst of the week. 1260 days of the first half minus the 1040 days = 220 days. Now we have that short period between the 1040 days and midst of the week.

 

|-----1040 days--------|--220 days--------|--middle---|-------------------1260 days--------------------------------|

 

 

Salty, that 2300 number was for ANTIOCHUS! You can't use that for the future 790th week! Therefore all your figuring is nonsense.

The verse Daniel 9:27 is also about Antiochus, NOT the Beast of Revelation.

Good point: you are 100% correct that BOTH HALVES of the 70th week are future.

 

LAMAD

 

 

You don't have a clue as to what your saying. The 2300 days of Dan.8:14 is involving the transgression of desolation, the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted in His Olivet Discoure for end time events, and the Rev.11 event of the Gentiles treading the holy city for 42 months, and even declares the vision is for the end of this world...

 

Dan.8

¹¹ Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

¹² And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

¹³ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

¹⁴ And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

¹⁵ And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

¹⁶ And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

¹⁷ So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

 

Ha ha! This theory is as far-fetched as some of your others! Be careful talking to others about clues when it is your theory that misses them all.  Jesus was speaking of a FUTURE abomination, not a past one. Antiochus became a TYPE of the Revelation Beast, because he did something very similar, slaughtering a PIG on the altar and then setting up an image of ZEUS.  Did it just go RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD that the temple had to be CLEANSED before the daily sacrifices could resume again? Now, see the proof of what I say:

 

Dan 8

²² Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

²³ And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up....

 

Most understand this to be the end of the Greecian Kindom. When Alexander died, his four generals took over. The kingdom to the north (the King of the North) became the Seleucid Kingdom. Note carefully it says in the latter time (NOT the end - just closer to the end than the beginning) of THEIR kingdom, meaning near the end of the Seleucid Dynasty. This is speaking of ANTIOCHUS. When the Macabees finally overthrew them. the temple had to be cleansed.

 

NO ONE has the right to pull a verse out of its context. The entire context of this chapter was how Alexander the Great defeated the Persians, and the entire land was divided up with the four Generals, one of them being Seleucus. Then, in the latter time of the Seleucid Dynasty Antiochus Epiphanes  took over and did TERRIBLE things to Israel. This is the context of this entire chapter. It has NOTHING to do with our future, except to say that Antiochus became a TYPE of the beast in Revelation.

 

Don't be confused about "the time of the end." Daniel defines that as the end of THEIR kingdom.

 

From the Pulpit Commentary:

The translators must have read shahata instead of shomaym. "Completed," nesh-tlem, may have been added, as στήσεται in the Greek, but the fact that all the versions have a word not represented in the Massoretic would indicate the probability that something has dropped out. Some part of the verb שׂוּם is suggested by the Greek Version, whereas some portion of שָׁלַם is suggested by the Peshitta. Daniel hears one of those watching angels who desire to look into the evolution of the Divine purpose concerning man and his salvation, asking another, "How long shall be the desolation of Jerusalem under Epiphanes?"

 

Gill's commentary:

how long will the sacrifice be taken away, or made to cease? how long will that transgression, that abomination, making the temple desolate, the image of Jupiter Olympius set up by Antiochus, continue in it?

 

JFB commentary:

How long shall be the vision concerning … daily sacrifice—How long shall the daily sacrifice be suspended?

... transgression of desolation—literally, "making desolate," that is, Antiochus desolating profanation of the temple

 

Benson Commentary:

By the transgression of desolation seems to be meant the harassing and ravaging of the city by the garrison of Antiochus, setting up an idol to be worshipped in God’s temple, and, by that and other heathenish superstitions, profaning it, and also the host, or the Levites; persuading them, either by threats or enticements, to quit the worship of Jehovah, the true God, or to mix it with the worship of idols, contrary to the divine law. And he said, Unto two thousand and three hundred days — Hebrew, Until the evening [and] morning two thousand and three hundred. This signifies a space of about six years, and is to be taken from the first invasion of Judea by Antiochus, when he profaned the priesthood, and includes his second coming into that country, when he forbade the worship of God in the temple, and set up an idol there. After this time of two thousand three hundred days, or about six years from the first coming of Antiochus, it is here declared that the temple should be purged, or cleansed from the polluted or unclean things which Antiochus had brought into it, or from those things in it which he had defiled, by using them for idolatrous rites:

 

There seems, however, to be one insuperable objection, both to Bishop Newton’s and this interpretation, and that is, that they are utterly irreconcileable with Daniel 8:9, where it is expressly said, that this little horn came forth from one of the four notable horns, or kingdoms, into which Alexander’s empire was divided.

 

Barnes Notes:

And the transgression of desolation - Margin, making desolate. That is, the act of iniquity on the part of Antiochus producing such desolation in the holy city and the temple - show long is that to continue?

 

Matthew Poole's Commentary:

How long shall Antiochus continue his tyrannical vexations against the people of God, and the worship of God? This is the

treading down of the sanctuary and the host.

 

Cambridge Bible notes:

‘The transgression causing appalment’ is the heathen worship established by Antiochus in the Temple, with special reference, perhaps (cf. Daniel 11:31, Daniel 12:11), to the heathen altar erected by him on the altar of burnt-offering in the Temple court, which was naturally an object of extreme abhorrence to the pious Jews

 

I will note, some commentaries were far fetched, thinking this was in reference to Islam.

 

So.....who is clueless?

 

LAMAD

[Defending the Name]

All the church of whom are those who hold the testimony of Jesus are required to drink from the bit cup of Christ. This bitter cup is death. No one can escape death and rapture is an escape route. Jesus said many times to be faithful onto death.

Saint Paul states that every man is destined to die once then judgement. Most importantly you cannot inherit eternal life to be with Christ unless you first die.

Hebrews 9:15-17

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The blood covenant requires your death to be posted before you can inherit your eternal life. Noah's days has the central theme which is death.

Matthew 24:36-41

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The central theme to the taking away is death. When the food took them away they all died. The one that is taken implies that they die. So the word taken or raptured is a Jewish idiom for being killed or dying. Like the expression take him out, can mean to take him our if the room or to kill him. Being taken according to the Noah's days is the central theme which is death.

No one knows for certain the day or hour they will be taken out of this earthly life. No one knows when they will die.

Matthew 24:42-44

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The above versus places the Lord's coming for that individual on the day and hour where the thief comes to destroy your earthly house. This is another Jewish idiom, where thief is not a literal thief but according to the central theme that is death mentioned above, the thief is death itself. The earthly house is your earthly tent which is your body.

Matthew 24:50-51

50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The Lord comes for every departed. This is the Lord's appearing mentioned by Saint Paul in the epistles. So it the saying goes, death will bring you to your maker on a day and hour that you do not know and are not prepared for.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luke 21:20-27

And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Luke 21:28

You will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds (his host of heaven, the holy ones), when you die.

How do you think how all eyes will see him?

Revelation 1:7

"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.

All eyes will see him because death brings us before The Lord for judgement:

Hebrews 9:27

And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment.

What did Jesus tell the high priest?

Matthew 26:63-64

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

64“You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Jesus tells the high priest from NOW ON all of you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.

When did this happen to the high priest, if Jesus said from now on meaning in the immediate future. What would bring the high priest before his maker for judgement?

Death. Therefore all eyes will see him.

Saint Paul when ready to be killed comforted congregation by his letter by saying that he is now ready to be presented for judgement before The Lord at his appearing, to be awarded the crown of righteousness, meaning eternal life. So when did the appearing of The Lord happen to Saint Paul?

When he was killed. He also comforted the congregation by saying that their deaths on their own unique day and hour will also present them before The Lord. That day that Saint Paul was speaking about is when the faithful in Christ dies.

2 Timothy 4:6-8

6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

The church is bought under the blood covenant and it necessitates that its witnesses must also drink from the bitter cup of Christ and to also die before they are judged worthy to be numbered amongst his angelic white cloud, of his measured inner court.

Now let us address the tribulation question.

Read the versus below carefully.

Revelation 7:9-14

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Under the blood covenant. The church is represented by all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues. All of these are those who hold the testimony of Jesus for they are Christians. What happens to them?

These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The church goes through the great tribulation and is not pardoned from death. The mistake that pre-trib make is they associate death with the wrath of God, when the fact remains that the beast of the bottomless Pitt who is satan emerges in flesh to destroy the church who are a symbol of the two witnesses. The wrath of God is unleashed upon the inhabitants of earth only after the church is martyred across the world by satan incarnate in flesh as the earthly messiah. Satan's followers will not thing to be the devil, but their messiah, for he is the king of this world.

What was said to those departed crying under the altar of God in Revelation 6:9-11?

To be patient and wait for their brothers to also die and enter in through the resurrection by making their white angelic robes white by the blood of the lamb of God.

We cannot be oriented before The risen Lord unless we die and inherit the Holy Spirit body of an angel.

Hebrews 9:28

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

The first time we were born from our earthly mothers and inherited the sin of Adam. So the second time without sin when we are presented before The Lord, is when we are raised as one of the holy ones (angelic white cloud) that the risen lord resides with.

There is no earthly second of Christ. It is the believer who is drawn to Christ from death and into resurrection.

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

[Last Daze]

We cannot be oriented before The risen Lord unless we die and inherit the Holy Spirit body of an angel.