Antichrist/Sea Beast.

[fixerupper]

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No, I don't see Islam as counterfeit Christianity. You will never come across a counterfeit $99. 

That doesn't make any sense to me.  Islam is a perfect counterfeit of Christianity, but you're expecting a counterfeit to come from within the church and in the literal name of Christ.  A false christ doesn't have to come in Christ literal name.  It's an "instead annointed."  Muhammad was an anti-Christ.  Ahmadinejad is a false prophet/false christ.  Bin ladan was a false prophet.  

Islam has a counterfeit book, THE KORAN, a false prophet, MUHAMMAD, a false god, ALLAH, a false returning messiah called the Mahdi, and a false prophetic scenario. The only thing true in Islamic prophecy is that the Islamic anti-Christ IS the biblical anti-Christ.

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Islam does not resemble Christianity in any way. It doesn't claim to be Christian. 

No Christian religion will ever come in the last days.  And in case you don't know, Islam denies Christ and that happens to be anti-Christ!  That's where you are going terribly wrong.  Attributing all these end-time evils to the church simply because you seem to think the religion of the beast is CHRISTIAN, and you can't show me where this is found in the bible.  Two horns like a lamb is TWO HORNS SIMILAR TO CHRISTIANITY.  Those two horns are the Sunni and Shia sects.

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The counterfeit looks like the original...the closer to the original the more effective it will be. It claims to be Christian. It looks Christian. It practices many traditions and teachings that purport to be, and resemble Christian practice and teaching. 

Absolutely FALSE!  There's nothing CHRISTIAN about the religion of the beast.

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That is not Islam...therefore Islam is not the deception of the last days...Islam is not as the term 'antichrist' means, 'replacing Christ'...'in the room of Christ'. It does not counterfeit the roles of Christ; Priest, Prophet, King. You will not have to go far to find the real counterfeit, nor go back to far in history to discover a time when nearly all the Protestant world knew and understood who this was. 

Well, Rome isn't anti-Christ by any means because they don't deny Christ!  Islam is completely anti-Christ!

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As to your hypothesis that we shouldn't be practicing Christianity because of the presence of a counterfeit. If you are going to throw away your real $100 notes because there are counterfeits around,can I have them please?

No.  We shouldn't be attributing the evils of the last days 'man of sin' to the church!
You're analogy is a real bad one.  Maybe after the next 911 you'll see things differently.  But for some reason, I think not!

[brakelite]

5 hours ago, fixerupper said:

That doesn't make any sense to me.  Islam is a perfect counterfeit of Christianity, but you're expecting a counterfeit to come from within the church and in the literal name of Christ.  A false christ doesn't have to come in Christ literal name.  It's an "instead annointed."  Muhammad was an anti-Christ.  Ahmadinejad is a false prophet/false christ.  Bin ladan was a false prophet.  

Islam has a counterfeit book, THE KORAN, a false prophet, MUHAMMAD, a false god, ALLAH, a false returning messiah called the Mahdi, and a false prophetic scenario. The only thing true in Islamic prophecy is that the Islamic anti-Christ IS the biblical anti-Christ.

No Christian religion will ever come in the last days.  And in case you don't know, Islam denies Christ and that happens to be anti-Christ!  That's where you are going terribly wrong.  Attributing all these end-time evils to the church simply because you seem to think the religion of the beast is CHRISTIAN, and you can't show me where this is found in the bible.  Two horns like a lamb is TWO HORNS SIMILAR TO CHRISTIANITY.  Those two horns are the Sunni and Shia sects.

Absolutely FALSE!  There's nothing CHRISTIAN about the religion of the beast.

Well, Rome isn't anti-Christ by any means because they don't deny Christ!  Islam is completely anti-Christ!

No.  We shouldn't be attributing the evils of the last days 'man of sin' to the church!
You're analogy is a real bad one.  Maybe after the next 911 you'll see things differently.  But for some reason, I think not!

If you are Catholic then I understand your reaction. I also, even as a former Catholic found it difficult to grasp, but the history and the criteria that scripture demands of Antichrist was simply way too convincing to be denied. Babylon the Great is a fallen church...a harlot practicing fornication with the kings of the earth. To be an apostate church...to be divorced from your rightful husband, demands a right relationship in the beginning. It is a fallen Christian apostate church that is a politically motivated entity using political means to gain spiritual ends. That is spiritual adultery. 

Take another look at the comparisons between the first beast of Revelation 13 and ministry of Christ as I showed in my first post. See how very closely they align? Now compare the beast of Revelation 13 with its various characteristics and the little horn of Daniel 7. Now compare those identifying characterics of the Antichrist and history of the Catholic church.

1. The beast of rev.13 comes up out of the water, as did the beast from which the little horn grew in Daniel 7. The rev13 beast is the mature version of that little horn. The RCC also grew out of pagan Rome, as did the little horn.

2. It resembles pagan Rome, the earthly portayal of the dragon, in that she incorporated many of the pagan empirical traditions into her religion, such as the title pontifus maximus, and Sunday observance.

3. The Vatican from its inception in the 5th century claimed the former Roman empire as her own...thus laying claim to the ten horns and diadems among whom she grew. This was accomplished through war, not by preaching of the gospel. 

4. As the beast received its power and authority from the dragon, so did the church recieve her power and authority from the pagan emperor, Justinian. This took place in 533ad. It is of great significance that in 533 A. D. Justinian proclaimed a decree which recognized the Pope’s headship over all the churches of east and west. This decree was actually a letter written by Justinian to Pope John. The letter was included in The Code of Justinian which is a collection of Justinian’s laws. It must be remembered that this letter had the force of law. In effect, the Code of Justinian was the standard law of all Europe for over one thousand years until it was replaced in the late 1700’s by the Code of Napoleon. Part of Justinian’s decree reads as follows: “Therefore, we have exerted ourselves to unite all the priests of the East and subject them to the See of Your Holiness, and hence the questions which have at present arisen, although they are manifest and free from doubt, and, according to the doctrine of Your Apostolic See, are constantly firmly observed and preached by all priests. . . because you are the head of all the Holy Churches, for We shall exert Ourselves in every way (as has already been stated), to increase the honor and authority of your See. . .” (S. P. Scott, The Civil Law, vol. 12, pp. 11-13).

The significance of this decree is that the Roman Emperor was legitimizing the spiritual authority of the Pope. The state was using its clout to proclaim that only the Pope was the authentic spokesman for orthodox Christianity.

(This is highly significant when considering Revelation 13:2, which pertains directly to the establishment of the papal power. The dragon, when comparing Rev.12:3,4 and 13:2, can be clearly seen as representing not just Satan, but pagan Rome. So when we consider that the dragon is giving papal Rome its authority, seat, and power, then the above historical scenario takes on great significance.) Though this decree was given in 533 A. D., it was not fully implemented until the rebel Ostrogoths were devastated in 538 A. D.

5. Exactly 1260 years later, (42 figurative months of days =1260) in the year 1793, France declared the political reign of the Vatican null and void, and 5 years later general Berthier of the imperial army invaded Rome and took the pope captive and disbanded the college of cardinals, EXACTLY 1260 years after general Berthier entered Rome and freed the city from the Ostrogoths. Again 1260 years later!!  This is no coincidence. This is Bible prophecy.

 

More shortly.

[fayec]

There is no correlation to the antichrists in 1st John, and the beast called "man of lawlessness" in Daniel, 2nd Thess. 2, and Revelation.  None whatsoever.

Antichrists are  those people who do not believe that Jesus was God in the flesh, while the beast called man of lawlessness are the people who descended from Cain. 

In verse 18 John was not referring to one particular "Antichrist" coming in the last days, he was referring to the antichrist spirit which would come. 

[angels4u]

The Bible tells us that the man of lawlessness will sit in the tempel after 3 1/2 years,the Anti Christ will be a man...yes there will be an antichrist Spirit on earth also...

[Last Daze]

12 hours ago, brakelite said:

You are quite correct. The Bible doesn't say anything of an individual false future Messiah fulfilling the role of Antichrist. It is an institution. The little horn that rises among the ten, is a political entity, with a difference. It is also religious. The man of sin, the son of perdition, grows out from from within the community of believers, just as Judas was one of the twelve, and just as the apostle John said of the forerunners to the final antchrist.....

18 ¶  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19  They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

....and while it may appear to be an individual that we need to watch for, it is a church/state union that prophecy is warning us of as being the final threat to religious freedom worldwide. The woman,the church, riding the beast, the state political power. The church holding the reins and guiding the state according to her will, but the state supporting the church in all her global ambitions.

Interesting conjecture.  How does it fit in with:

• The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.  Revelation 17:12

[brakelite]

20 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Interesting conjecture.  How does it fit in with:

• The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.  Revelation 17:12

Okay, first off these 10 kings are a completely different group than the ones who rose from the 4th beast in Daiel 7. Those were past...they grew as pagan Rome disintegrated in the 4th and 5th centuries. Eventually, pagan Rome morphed into papal Rome and the papacy uprooted 3 of those kings, the remaining 7 subsequently evovled into what we know today as Europe. 

The ten kings in Revel.17 have yet to arise. Who knows how this may happen, and what territories tey preside over, but I believe from my research that they are appointed as rulers over ten future terrtories , some of which may be Canada, the USA, and Mexico forming one, Australia, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand another...South America a third...etc etc. These ten will cover the globe, and will come first under the auspices of the UN. The Antichrist, that is the RCC, will in union with apostate Protestantism in the US and spiritualism in the new age "Christ consciousness" secret societies, will form Babylon the Great, which will be a religioys rule supported by the state power in the form of those ten 'kings'. How all this will come about is anybody's guess...but one thing I am convinced of.The arch enemy of this final Satanic system, which has been developing for 5000 years since Babel...is NOT the tiny nation of Israel. Who is hated in the end for Jesus' name sake? The true Christian church who keep the commandments of God (as opposed to the religious decrees enforced by the harlot woman/church) and have the faith of Jesus. Revel 12:17;14:12.

[Last Daze]

23 minutes ago, brakelite said:

Okay, first off these 10 kings are a completely different group than the ones who rose from the 4th beast in Daiel 7. Those were past...they grew as pagan Rome disintegrated in the 4th and 5th centuries. Eventually, pagan Rome morphed into papal Rome and the papacy uprooted 3 of those kings, the remaining 7 subsequently evovled into what we know today as Europe. 

The ten kings in Revel.17 have yet to arise. Who knows how this may happen, and what territories tey preside over, but I believe from my research that they are appointed as rulers over ten future terrtories , some of which may be Canada, the USA, and Mexico forming one, Australia, Papua New Guinea and New Zealand another...South America a third...etc etc. These ten will cover the globe, and will come first under the auspices of the UN. The Antichrist, that is the RCC, will in union with apostate Protestantism in the US and spiritualism in the new age "Christ consciousness" secret societies, will form Babylon the Great, which will be a religioys rule supported by the state power in the form of those ten 'kings'. How all this will come about is anybody's guess...but one thing I am convinced of.The arch enemy of this final Satanic system, which has been developing for 5000 years since Babel...is NOT the tiny nation of Israel. Who is hated in the end for Jesus' name sake? The true Christian church who keep the commandments of God (as opposed to the religious decrees enforced by the harlot woman/church) and have the faith of Jesus. Revel 12:17;14:12.

So you see Daniel 7 (the fourth beast) as fulfilled prophecy?

[fayec]

1 hour ago, angels4u said:

The Bible tells us that the man of lawlessness will sit in the tempel after 3 1/2 years,the Anti Christ will be a man...yes there will be an antichrist Spirit on earth also...

2nd Thessalonians  2:4 says that the man of lawlessness will "oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that his is God."

In my opinion I believe that scriptures is saying, the descendants of Cain will exalt themselves above the European white man,  so much so that, one of them will sit as Pope in the Catholic Church representing God.

Which, in your honest opinion, is more likely to occur in the coming years?   A man called Antichrist sitting in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, claiming to be God?, or a Black man sitting as Pope in the Catholic Church representing God?

 

[Daniel 11:36]

Daniel 7:7 forward is all about the 70th week decreed for Israel at the end of this present age

Edited July 31, 2017 by Daniel 11:36

[brakelite]

22 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

So you see Daniel 7 (the fourth beast) as fulfilled prophecy?

Yes. Simply Daniel 2 repeated but with more detail. Again repeated in Daniel 8 and 11...no 2000 year gap in prophecy...but prophecy began to be fulfilled in Daniels time and continued to unfold in a constant horizontal timeline to this day. Not futurism...not preterism..which were both created by Jesuit priests in the 16th or 17th century as part of the counte-reformation and successfully diverting the acususing fingers of the church  away from Rome as being the Antichrist to either Antiochus in the past or an imaginary boogey man in the future,hiding the real one from prophetic view...as if God didnt know about him? I am an historicist. Matching propecy with unfolding history.