church characters

[Estrella]

4 hours ago, creativemechanic said:

a little something I made today.  isn't it funny some of the archetypes you see in relation relation service 

Very creative and true ?

[simplejeff]

...nvm...

[SisterActs2]

Hi all

We should be seeking the giver of the gifts, not the gifts themselves.  If God wants to give a gift, that's fine.  However, for me it's "Test the Spirits", and if I never get another gift on earth, that is fine.  He is the best gift a person can ever get.  We only need Him.

Over the last little while, God has taught me to be discerning, but not to judge.  That is up to Him.  We need to expose error though.  If a church persists in preaching something that is not in the Word, I am outa there!!

[HisFirst]

7 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Question: "What is the Vineyard Movement?"

Answer: The Vineyard Movement is a network of Charismatic churches, part of a movement recognized by such names as “Third Wave,” “power theology,” and the “signs and wonders movement.” The Vineyard Movement’s founder, John Wimber, formed five churches in 1982, with the goal of forming 2,000 churches by the year 2000. The stated goal of the Vineyard Movement was to combine the best of evangelical thinking with Pentecostal practices.

Churches in the Vineyard Movement are evangelical in nature and orthodox in their basic doctrine. They hold to salvation by grace through faith and are very concerned with spreading the gospel of the kingdom (through “power evangelism”—demonstrations of the miraculous). What makes Vineyard churches distinct from many other evangelical groups is their emphasis on the “sign gifts” of the Spirit.

Members of the Vineyard Movement place a premium on experience. In fact, their booklet Core Values and Beliefs says, “Experience-based worship is the central activity of all that we do in the Vineyard. . . . We experience God’s presence as a palpable reality when we worship” (page 5). This experience-based reality and seeking “palpable” manifestations of God is characteristic of Charismatic teaching. Of course, there is nothing wrong with “experiencing” God in worship or in daily life, as long as experience is not allowed to compete with or supersede the Word of God revealed in the Bible.

Some churches in the Vineyard Movement tend to promote certain spiritual gifts such as tongues, healing, and casting out demons as the more desired gifts. It is the position of Got Questions Ministries that the purpose of these “sign gifts” was fulfilled at the close of the apostolic age. As Paul said, prophecies and tongues will cease, in contrast to love, which endures forever (1 Corinthians 13:8). Paul’s imperative was to learn the more excellent way, the way of love (1 Corinthians 12:31).

The initial goal of the Vineyard Movement, to combine solid evangelical theology with Pentecostal expressions of the Holy Spirit, was admirable. So was its purpose to “allow the Spirit to move in ways we do not expect.” However, that openness to spiritual inventiveness has allowed doctrines and practices to infiltrate its ranks. For example, the so-called “Toronto Blessing” began in a Vineyard Church. To their credit, the Vineyard Movement recognized the danger of the Toronto Blessing and has distanced itself from that particular phenomenon.

The Vineyard Movement is not a cult. Rather, the Vineyard Movement is a part of the Body of Christ that emphasizes the worship experience and seeks the miraculous gifts of Spirit.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Vineyard-Movement.html

Ty MM.

[Neighbor]

If a person wants to know about a group they might also want to visit that group's own declaration about themselves, rather than  some cut and paste from Got Questions.

So  for comparison here is a link to the group's own declarations https://vineyardusa.org/about/core-values-beliefs/ for comparison.

How many of their declared  goals and purposes seem awful? 

How many seem at least worthy for a Christian in service to  their Lord and savior Jesus? They probably are not where my Lord will be sending me for fellowship on a regular basis, but can I not embrace them as brothers and sisters.

[frienduff thaylorde]

15 hours ago, missmuffet said:

It is Christian discernment that needs to be on full alert when choosing a Church.

The thing is lady muffet , most have no discernment.   

And here is the key.   By grace ALONE by GOD ALONE  , we would .

Most have not the love OF truth and righteousness within them.  IF ever they had it , Some lust choked it out , OR they never had it at all.

What we feed from determines how we grow.  AND since all is BY Grace,   IF one has THE LORD TRULY within..........HIS LOVE would put us in

the holy scriptures where by our faith in Christ we would be made wise.    Watch out for the false sensual move that will increase HUGE this year.

You start seeing any men teaching its time to put down divisions , barriers,  start building bridges........YOU FLEE

just some of their terminology.   IF they start focusing on unity ,   and this unity is tied in with unbelievers etc..........YOU RUN, this is another way they approach.

WE witness to all; and are kind to all..............but we are not to be unequally yoked together,  if so, we fall.   

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, Neighbor said:

If a person wants to know about a group they might also want to visit that group's own declaration about themselves, rather than  some cut and paste from Got Questions.

So  for comparison here is a link to the group's own declarations https://vineyardusa.org/about/core-values-beliefs/ for comparison.

How many of their declared  goals and purposes seem awful? 

How many seem at least worthy for a Christian in service to  their Lord and savior Jesus? They probably are not where my Lord will be sending me for fellowship on a regular basis, but can I not embrace them as brothers and sisters.

NOT if we heed JESUS we don't .    our family is and are only those who do the will of the Father.    A false prophet is not our brother or sister .   

only those in Christ .  AND if anyone is in Christ and is in error..............they REPENT when warned .  They don't keep on keeping on in the dark and teaching evil.

THAT is a false prophet.    and those who teach contrary to Christ , truth , righteousness,   if they heed not the correction.  THEY GET FLED FROM.   and WARNED out against .

[4LdKHVCzRDj2]

9 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

but we are not to be unequally yoked together,  if so, we fall.

Listen to Him, listen, believe, and follow Him... And you will not fall.

"But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall." - Matthew 7:26-27

"You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." - 1 John 4:4

 

10 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

WE witness to all; and are kind to all.

To all, except to those who come to us trying to bring a different doctrine from the one we have received from the Lord Jesus.

"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds." - 2 John 1:9-11

 

God bless you! 

[hmbld]

Many find faults with the people in church. Many churches find faults with those who are divisive under the guise of discernment. 

[Neighbor]

3 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

NOT if we heed JESUS we don't .    our family is and are only those who do the will of the Father.    A false prophet is not our brother or sister .   

only those in Christ .  AND if anyone is in Christ and is in error..............they REPENT when warned .  They don't keep on keeping on in the dark and teaching evil.

THAT is a false prophet.    and those who teach contrary to Christ , truth , righteousness,   if they heed not the correction.  THEY GET FLED FROM.   and WARNED out against .

Hi, Well actually hmbld put it so much nicer, I deleted my own comment