Two Kinds of Christians?

[Blood Bought 1953]

14 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

You've thrown out the Ten Commandments?

 

Nobody here is throwing out the Ten Commandments.......Paul beat us to the punch a long time ago.....They have been “ thrown out” in the sense that they have been “ exposed”........ they have been shown to be “ weak and useless” as far as Salvation is concerned......it has NO POWER to save , it can only condemn......The Law  was given so that “ Sin would INCREASE.” Perhaps God thought if sin would increase enough, people would get sick of it and try to find an antidote to it.Paul said the Law could only benefit us if we knew how to use it.The proper purpose of the Law is  to show us the folly of trying to keep it and let it take us by the hand , “ stop our mouths”  about trying to make the case that we could perform it, and lead us to the One that DID keep it......Jesus.Attempts to keep the Law will all end in failure.If the Holy Spirit opens your eyes to this fact, a Contrite Heart should be the result. A heart that has not been made Contrite will never be ready to receive the Gospel That will save him.

A wise person will try to be obedient to the Ten Commandments- God will bless a person for obedience.The Commandments Bless, But they do not Save. “ Obedience” this side Of The Cross means Obedience to the Gospel.We should respect the Law, make sure we use it for its intended purpose and take it off the pedestal we have put it on and replace it with The Gospel Of Grace— something that actually has the POWER to save......

 

Edited April 24, 2020 by Blood Bought 1953

[Willa]

9 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Nobody here is throwing out the Ten Commandments.......Paul beat us to the punch a long time ago.....They have been “ thrown out” in the sense that they have been “ exposed”........ they have been shown to be “ weak and useless” as far as Salvation is concerned......it has NO POWER to save , it can only condemn......The Law  was given so that “ Sin would INCREASE.” Perhaps God thought if sin would increase enough, people would get sick of it and try to find an antidote to it.Paul said the Law could only benefit us if we knew how to use it.The proper purpose of the Law is  to show us the folly of trying to keep it and let it take us by the hand , “ stop our mouths”  about trying to make the case that we could perform it, and lead us to the One that DID keep it......Jesus.Attempts to keep the Law will all end in failure.If the Holy Spirit opens your eyes to this fact, a Contrite Heart should be the result. A heart that has not been made Contrite will never be ready to receive the Gospel That will save him.

A wise person will try to be obedient to the Ten Commandments- God will bless a person for obedience.The Commandments Bless, But they do not Save. “ Obedience” this side Of The Cross means Obedience to the Gospel.We should respect the Law, make sure we use it for its intended purpose and take it off the pedestal we have put it on and replace it with The Gospel Of something that actually had the POWER to save......

 

God chastens those He loves.  No Christian gets away with sinning.  Getting whupted by God is not fun but it is memorable. 

Heb 12:5  And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.

Heb 12:6  For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives."

Heb 12:7  It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

Heb 12:8  If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Heb 12:10  For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.

Heb 12:11  For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Heb 12:12  Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees,

Heb 12:13  and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed.

[luigi]

4 hours ago, Coliseum said:

The difference in the kind of grace you believe OSAS is and what it actually is, are two different concepts, IMO.  OSAS means that before salvation I did not have to do anything. God came to me in my greatest need as a sinner and asked me to simply believe who He said He is, resting and trusting in the finished work of Christ. After I was saved, I began to experience salvation. My Father does not abandon me anymore than my earthly father abandons me when I am disobedient. He does not say, "you are no longer my son; you were never born to me. I don't know you." He tells me I am His, that He loves me with a covenantal love, an everlasting love, a love He started and promises He will finish. I may hear God say to me, "Son, adultery is not something you want to pursue," and I look back and remember all of the ways God has loved me and brought me up in the image of His Son, I will no longer  want to act contrary to His commands. Instead of being obedient because I have to, I am free to be obedient because I desire to be. But because I am human, and am flawed, blemished, and imperfect, I stumble, and sin. It does not mean that my "sins are acceptable before Him." Where are you getting this misperceived information? Will the God who loves me not correct me? Does He not say in Revelation that, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent"? The idea of repenting means to turn back to Him. If I do not, I am disciplined---not abandoned. Hebrews tells us, "Do not make light of the Lord's discipline nor lose hope when He rebukes you." He is speaking to His own children. He is not abandoning them. No one here is angerly defending themselves who are OSAS, but what I am hearing is judgement from you if I don't "measure up." Romans 7:5 puts into proper perspective those who always are looking at their sins instead of looking to Christ. The more we try to contend with what is wrong with us, the more we want to sin. It actually heightens, not diminishes our desire. Please read it. Your name-calling ("This kindergarten perspective")---even if you were right, will never get someone to change his way---and that is precisely why God knows that the "Do this or else" philosophy doesn't work. It has nothing to do with grace, but it has everything to do with compulsion and outward compliance, begrudging what we do instead of desiring to. Obedience is practiced out of love, not force. "If you love me, you will obey me." It is a statement of fact, not a command. Someone who hates God will not obey Him.

Good morning Coliseum,

Your statement where you do not even attempt to stop sinning because it will only lead to a greater desire to sin, is the same as those who do not attempt to mortify the deeds of the flesh and therefore die in Romans 8:13. If I am wrong in my assessment, please elaborate as to how your continuing to live and walk after the flesh, and not after the spirit (Romans 8:1), qualifies you as being in the Spirit in unison with God? Common sense tells us it doesn't. This type of kindergarten perspective is why so many outsiders say no thanks to what is an obvious flaw in the OSAS camp. The Lord is now commencing to once more shake the earth, and those things that are made, (that is theologies that omit much of the Word), in order to continue living in the flesh, contrary to the Word, shall fall away (Hebrews 12:26-27). The Word is the root we have to endure by, without which, by omitting that Word which does not allow us to live under the flesh as we wish, those individuals without root shall fall away (Matthew 13:21). That is the Word.

So by the way since you brought up Romans 7:5, are you saying you are no longer in the flesh, though you still continuously walk after it?

 Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Matthew 13:21  Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Romans 7:5  For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

 

[luigi]

6 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

Knowing that ALL of my  sins are covered by the Blood Of Jesus Christ makes me want to sin LESS . Once again, it’s  one of those “Christian Paradox” thingies......It becomes more and more clear to me that You have to live it to Understand it.......To have ANY chance to live it , you have to do as God Commands— Abandon your disobedience and unbelief by Resting in the Gospel ......don’t settle for a “ Walk Of Faith” That is crippled......You either Trust God or you don’t ......Your reaction to the Gospel is a test from God........Don’t Be Of the same mind-set that left the Untrusting Jews to die in the Wilderness......have the Courage to step out in Faith...... “ Let go and let God”.....

Very good Blood Bought, I also continue to abandon carnal desires, and hope and pray to continue doing so, as the time for complacency appears to have ended.

[luigi]

5 hours ago, Willa said:

God chastens those He loves.  No Christian gets away with sinning.  Getting whupted by God is not fun but it is memorable. 

Heb 12:5  And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.

Heb 12:6  For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives."

Heb 12:7  It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

Heb 12:8  If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Heb 12:10  For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.

Heb 12:11  For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Heb 12:12  Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees,

Heb 12:13  and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed.

Very nice Willa,

This is how I see Heb 12:13 "And make straight paths for your feet (discern correctly), so that what is lame (Where we do not walk correctly) may not be put out of Joint (never to walk again correctly), but rather be healed (so that we do walk correctly). 

[steve morrow]

IS  IT  NOT  SIN  TO  BE  A  FALSE  WITNESS -- AGAIN -- AGAIN  AND  AGAIN

 

1 CORINTIANS 11:1  be you followers of me even as I also am of  CHRIST

 

                 *******JOHN 8:45  AND  BECAUSE  I  TELL  YOU  THE  TRUTH  YOU  BELIEVE  ME  NOT*******

 

JOHN 8:46  which of you convinceth  ME  of sin and if  I  say the truth --- WHY  DO  YOU  NOT  BELIEVE  ME --- 

JOHN 8:47  he that is of  GOD  heareth  GODS  words ---  YOU  THEREFORE  HEAR  THEM  NOT  BECAUSE  YOU  ARE  NOT  OF  GOD 

---DOESNT  NOT  OF  GOD  MEAN  NOT  CHRISTIAN---

 

1 PETER 4:1  forasmuch then as  CHRIST  hath suffered for us in the flesh arm yourselves likewise with --- THE  SAME  MIND --- for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin  ---4:2---  that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men --BUT  TO  THE  WILL  OF  GOD--

 

EPHESIANS 4:4  THERE  IS  ONE  BODY  --AND  ONE  SPIRIT-- even as you are called --IN  ONE  HOPE  OF  YOUR  CALLING  --4:5--  ONE  LORD  ONE  FAITH  ONE  BAPTISM  --ONE  GOD  AND  FATHER  OF  ALL-- WHO  IS  ABOVE  ALL  AND  THROUGH  ALL  AND  IN  YOU  ALL 

GALATIANS 4:6  AND  BECAUSE  YOU ARE  SONS  GOD  HATH  SENT  FORTH  ---THE  SPIRIT  OF  HIS  SON--- INTO  YOUR  HEARTS  CRYING  ABBA  FATHER 

 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth ---THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING--- THE  WORDS  THAT  I  SPEAK --- they are spirit and they are life

1 CORINTHIANS 8:5  for though there be that are called gods whether in heaven or in earth as there be gods many and lords many 

---8:6--- BUT  TO  US  THERE  IS  BUT  ONE  GOD  THE  FATHER  OF  WHOM  ARE  ALL THINGS  AND  WE  IN  HIM  AND  ONE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  BY  WHOM  ARE  ALL  THINGS  AND  WE  BY  HIM 

 

ROMANS 1:28  and even as they did not like to retain  --GOD  IN  THEIR KNOWLEDGE-- GOD  gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient 

2 PETER 3:18  BUT  GROW  IN  GRACE  AND  IN  THE  KNOWLEDGE  OF  OUR  LORD  AND  SAVIOUR  JESUS  CHRIST  ---TO  HIM  BE  THE  GLORY  BOTH  NOW  AND  FOREVER -- AMEN

 

LUKE 10:2  THEREFORE  HE  SAID  UNTO  THEM  THE  HARVEST  TRULY  IS  GREAT  BUT  THE  LABOUERS  ARE  FEW  ---PRAY  YOU  THEREFORE--- THE  LORD  OF  THE  HARVEST  THAT  HE  WOULD  SEND  FORTH  LABOURERS  INTO  HIS  HARVEST 

PSALM 78:7  that they might set their hope in  GOD  and not forget the works of  GOD  but keep  HIS  commandments 

--78:8-- and might not be as their fathers --A  STUBBORN  AND  REBELLIOUS  GENERATION  A  GENERATION  THAT  SET  NOT  THEIR  HEART  ARIGHT  AND  WHOSE  SPIRIT  WAS  NOT  STEDFAST  WITH  GOD

 

MARK 7:7  HOWBEIT  IN  VAIN  DO  THEY  WORSHIP  ME  TEACHING  FOR  DOCTRINES  THE  COMMANDMENTS  OF  MEN 

 

1 CORINTHIANS  15:10  BUT  BY  THE  GRACE  OF  GOD  I  AM  WHAT  I  AM  ---AND  HIS  GRACE--- WHICH  WAS  BESTOWED  UPON  ME  WAS  NOT  IN  VAIN  BUT  I  LABORED  MORE  ABUNDANTLY  THAN  THEY  ALL  YET  NOT  I  BUT  THE  GRACE  OF  GOD  WHICH  WAS  WITH  ME 

1 THESSALONIANS  1:3  REMEMBERING  WITHOUT  CEASING  ---YOUR  WORK  OF  FAITH--- AND  LABOR  OF  LOVE  AND  PATIENCE  OF  HOPE  IN  OUR  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  IN  THE  SIGHT  OF  GOD  AND  OUR  FATHER

 

PSALM 118:8  IT  IS  BETTER  TO  TRUST  IN  THE  LORD  THAN  TO  PUT  CONFIDENCE  IN  MAN

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

[JustPassingThru]

21 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I think my observation is an accurate one and worth noting. My testimony is consistently disputed by several. What is there to dispute? The Lord led me to repent of sin I was committing and my life was transformed. I think there are some who can learn from that.

No one is disputing "repenting" from our sin...

The major difference in my  testimony is my "repentance" was a "changing of my mind" of who I thought/considered "Jesus" was/is. 

Up until that point of time in my life, ...Jesus was just a name I used in swearing...

Then my "eyes" were opened and the Holy Spirit revealed ALL of my sin to me, ...He then revealed to me I was destined for Hell, ...then He revealed to me "Jesus" was/is God and "Jesus" could be my Savior, ...the choice was mine...

I repented, ...I "changed my mind," ...which is the "correct" Biblical interpretation of the word "repent," and I became, ...not a Christian, ...but rather a born again child of God John 1:12.

Here's how I "repented" from my sin, "before" I became a born again child of God, ...I was a fornicator, ...making no distinction between married or unmarried partners, ...then one day I met one of my "conquests" in public and she had her three daughters with her.

From that day forward I "repented" and was only "sinning" with unmarried partners, ...no way was I going to "commit" the sin of adultery again!

I had "repented" from my sin of adultery, ...as many in the world do from, ...sex, lying, stealing, ....but that didn't make me a born again child of God with the Holy Spirit living inside of me.

As a child of God the Holy Spirit has written His Law, ...what is called the Ten Commandments, ...both in my heart and in my mind, ...He has also taught me the spiritual "principal" of those Ten Commandments, ...which Jesus summed them up for us as LOVE.

As a born again child of God, ...being transformed into the image of my Jesus, ..my thought process, ...the very character of my life is not focused on "keeping" and not "breaking" one of the Ten Commandments, ...but rather to use them to show and manifest the image of Christ being formed in me, ...which is His Love for people so as to not hurt anyone...

Lord bless

[Omegaman 3.0]

12 minutes ago, Cornelius10 said:

There are 2 types of Christians, Pauline Christian, And Jewish Christian.

A Pauline Christian will ignore all other Verses concerning a matter Except for Paul's.

A Jewish Christian will Look at all the scripture.

I think an actual Christian, however you choose to label them, will see all scripture at God breathed, and therefore all true. If one comes to an understanding that pits one portion of scripture against another, and sees a disunity, then that person has not yet come to understand what he/she is reading.

[Refresher]

3 hours ago, Cornelius10 said:

There are 2 types of Christians, Pauline Christian, And Jewish Christian.

A Pauline Christian will ignore all other Verses concerning a matter Except for Paul's.

A Jewish Christian will Look at all the scripture.

The Power of the Cross is in the Blood of Christ after the Resurrection that we received thru>>> the redemption for those who believe Him and accept Him.

And I can only agree if we will say >> 2 Types of Believers of Jesus Christ 1. A Fan or 2. A Follower.

[TheBlade]

Your the God who stays.. Matthew West.

Thats what matters. I don't know any of these "its ok to sin" Christians. Truth the only place I hear read about is on Christian forums.  Well I do remember one. That Church.. gave away anything you needed. I reached out and talked to him.. to make sure because no Church just gives anything.. when in need.  And it was.. bible.. anything to help. He did say they have to be very careful because many try to just abuse it Now those kind of Churches. hard pressed to find. HAHA and it was one of those grace only ones. Wow what are the odds.

I don't know.. if I just think of Christ.. I only see those that believe in Him and those that don't. The SIN ... I don't see it.