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Jesus is the only life that was lived within the created format without sin... To A Holy and Righteous God who cannot even give place to sin but extract Himself eternally from it, as it is the rebellion of Lucifer, this means that through His Living obedience God was made able to justify the ungodly. When we look to His Life in exchange for our damned one we are born of His Life, His Glory, His Purpose, awaiting a union with God through His Flesh and His Blood Ge 2:23 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. KJV 1 Co 15:45-49 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. KJV Eph 5:22-28 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. KJV We are taken from the physical realties of Christ into the s/Spiritual realities of Him as well... Love, Steven

Luke 22: 19, 20 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and break it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Hi Sic Jesus is speaking about his doctrine. His flesh is his "words". Spiritual food for the spirit that gives life. Jesus doesn't want us to feed on someone else's flesh...ie strange flesh which is to go outside of the scriptures, and accept a doctrine from someone else, but to keep inside the scriptures and he will feed us directly.

Thank you

Psalm 78:24, 25 24 He rained down manna upon them to eat And gave them food from heaven. 25 Man did eat the bread of angels; He sent them food in abundance. God fed Israelites with the food of angels. It came down from Heaven. Yet they died. Jesus does not talk about physical death. He talks about the spiritual death. They ate the food from heaven yet they could not be saved. Jesus came down from heaven. His body represents his words. His words give life to our soul. It secures the soul from spiritual death. We attained salvation by the blood of Jesus shed on the cross. Just like food gives strength to our body, his words also strengthens our soul. By believing his words and following his words, we will have eternal life.

Well I guess time will tell. If there are a bunch of people mysteriously gone I don't think the mother ship came to take them away.

I think that just from a pragmatic view point a traditional Jew should want a Christian Europe rather than an Islamic Europe--- for the most part Christians are done killing Jews ( which was wrong in the first place and not called for by God) whereas the Muslims are still aggressively waging and plotting war against the Jews. And many Evangelical Christians feel a kinship and support Israel and the Jewish faith

What he seems to be saying is that Christianity is essentially Hebrew, since Christ Himself was Hebrew (as were the apostles). Nothing wrong with that. The Church began with Jews in Jerusalem but ultimately the Church is redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body. What Jews must come to terms with is that they must repent and be converted and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Which would mean the end of Judaism.

Your welcome I am not sure what you have a problem with, or why. I can't really counter your argument without anything to base it on. Would you mind adding specifics? It seems to me that you are having a problem with the whole idea of the Rapture. My last sentence was also just a joke, so don't take it seriously.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22 It comes down to this: Christianity is the Jews’ gift to mankind; the most important gift mankind has ever received. That so many modern leftists would say to themselves, “All the more reason to hate the Jews,” merely underlines the point. The natural enemy of the Jew is the natural enemy of the Christian, too—the conscience-hater, the man who wants no witnesses. http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/03/why-should-a-jew-care-whether-christianity-lives-or-dies

That's not how it works. The New Heavens and the New Earth come after the Millennium and some other events (Revelation 20-22).

You should have done some research before making such a statement. Greek harpagesometha = caught up together = Latin rapiermur = English Rapture

Whatever the Bible does not say, is not necessary the door for creative writing. We understand the methods of deduction and comparison, but they have strict rules of context. Well said Enoob. The idea that there was a canopy of water in some form over and around the earth, perhaps in the upper atmosphere, is possible, but at best it is merely a model put forward by creation science nerds. A bit of ignorance and pride there, because it can easily be shown from scripture, that a uniform temperature and a greenhouse effect did not exist before the flood, and neither did the earth need a reserve of oceans of water in the sky to flood the earth. This idea comes from a lack of knowledge of the cause of rain, and the dynamics of the flood waters. When scientists try to stick up for the Bible, they invariably end up representing God's Word in need of them.

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” I don't quite understand what Jesus meant by eating his body and drinking his blood

The high level of respect Russian President Vladmir Putin demonstrated toward Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week was unprecedented, indicating Russia’s desire to bolster its relationship with Israel. In addition, Russia may now use its veto power at the UN Security Council to thwart anti-Israel resolutions. Read more http://unitedwithisrael.org/russia-might-use-veto-power-to-protect-israel-at-united-nations/

from UCI: "The legitimacy of Israel’s existence as a Jewish state should not be open to question. "This legitimacy has been the guiding principle of the world community since the early 20th century and disproves the claim that Israel is an “occupying” power. How can any nation be considered a pejorative occupying power in its own land. "Yet, Israel’s legitimacy as the historical and biblical home of the Jewish people, continues to be denied by historical revisionists. "These revisionists deny the thousands of years of Jewish history in the land and deny that there was ever a Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. "This has led to a ludicrous conclusion that if there was no Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount, then obviously, there is no Christianity since where else would Jesus have walked if not on the grounds of the Temple on the Temple Mount. All this has led to the insidious charge that Jews are interlopers in what the Arab world considers to be their part of the Middle East and as such have no right to an independent Jewish state. "The record conclusively shows otherwise...." http://unitycoalitionforisrael.org/?p=18325

Daniel Juster? Im curious what those who know about him think of him.

I think it went this far after what I posted on the way that the universe exists - that is by a subjection of power and not the raising up of it. I admit that what I wrote may be extremely difficult to accept, because it is a reversal of the way people think about energy.

Ok. So you are saying he was just talking about the Holy Communion?

This is ridiculous. If you take this list to it's logical conclusion, nobody could talk to or fellowship with anyone else........ Might as well stop going to church , or chatting in worthy for that matter.

(Worthy News) - The United States House of Representatives on Thursday passed a $576 billion defense spending bill which includes $635.7 million for U.S.-Israel missile defense programs, despite a threat by the Obama administration to veto the bill, The Jewish Insider reports. The fiscal 2017 defense appropriations bill includes $268.7 million in research and development funding for U.S.-Israel cooperative missile and rocket defense programs; $25 million in research and development funding for U.S.-Israel directed energy activities, such as laser technologies, to combat missiles and rockets; $72 million for procurement of the Iron Dome rocket defense system; $150 million for procurement of the David’s Sling missile defense system; and $120 million for procurement of the Arrow-3 missile defense system. [ Source ] View the full article

God will come down hard and judge all the nations who persecute Israel, (Isa. 63:1-7 ; Joel 3; Rev. 6:9-10).

(Worthy News) - The White House said Tuesday that it was opposed to a move by the House of Representatives to increase funding for Israeli missile defense procurement by an additional $455 million above the administration’s budget request for the 2017 fiscal year. The announcement was greeted with disappointment by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) which emphasized the importance of the additional funding. In a long letter sent to Congress on Tuesday, the Obama administration listed its numerous objections to the House’s version of the defense appropriations bill for the coming fiscal year. [ ... Read More (Source) ] View the full article

The threat of President Obama's veto shouldn't deter Congress from doing what's right.

Kan: You're an interesting person to converse with. Because I've been away from this thread because of connection problems with my computer at work, and other unspecified issues, I've lost my sense of where this conversation was going. I apologize. If you want to focus on one aspect of your response, pick one if you want to continue our dialog. Again, I apologize for stepping away from this thread for awhile.

That is where a Biblical person shall stand ... till the Bible give us other! I will not in the fancy of my own mind assert anything other than what God allows through a Biblical hermeneutic... this allows me to stand before The Lord without pretense and say I followed Your Word Lord as I best could with You Holy Spirit as my guide. Love, Steven

My Faith For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. My heart faints within me! Job 19:25-27 (English Standard Version) And His Power So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes. Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:19-24 (Berean Study Bible)

Hello PH, I am glad you respond and that what I am looking for an exchange of information, if you can imagine the process for that to happen, please discribe. We don't need to taulk about "_rapture" but the process of putting the dust together. Please and God bless.

I agree completely

raising of the dead = resurrection, right? as far as getting dust back together, well, He made man from dust once; do you not believe He can do it again?

Hello post, you are a good brother and I do read your posts. Neither me or PH mention the word resuraction, but we were talking about something like, not possible to happen, to get dust back together, and I can prove it, thats why I said it is not in the scriptures, cause I can prove it with sound scripture.

i got all the way to the third page and hadn't really seen it yet, but perhaps Joe addressed it finally, and Openly Curious both, by pointing to a very relevant chapter ((Romans 6.. really also 7, and 8, and.. o read the whole book. several times. several times per week.)) -- though perhaps by only quoting scripture and pointing to it, they didn't make it clear: anyone who is "alive in Christ" is also "dead in Christ" it is because we die with Him, that we also live with Him, and will be raised from the dead as He was. this is a very central part of the gospel; it is exactly how we take part in Him: we are crucified with Him. baptism is a picture of this, as though we are drowned, being immersed in Him in His death, and then raise up, a new life. see also Galatians 2:20 where it is said succinctly: "i no longer live, but Christ lives in me" → no longer live = dead, and that's in Christ. so that through Him, we live . . that, and like everyone else has told you, the phrase "dead in Christ" ((i assume)) you are referring to is in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, and it means those whose earthly life is over already when Christ returns. if you would simply read verse 17, since it is actually one complete sentence, you would see that group contrasted with "we who are alive and remain" and it should be quite clear what this is talking about. so . . um, was that it? all you had to do was read the rest of the sentence that phrase is quoted from?

Shabbat shalom, Marilyn. Don't get overly symbolic with this. It's not just imagery; it's a very real description of His throne! This is a blood-red description of what - no - WHOM Yochanan sees. Let's quote the whole thing: Revelation 4:1-11 1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit (literally, "on the wind"): and, behold, a throne was set in heaven (the sky), and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. KJV When we read a little farther, we see... Revelation 5:6-14 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. KJV Yochanan definitely sees TWO Entities ("Persons") here: The "One" who sits on the throne, and the "Lamb," who takes the scroll from the "One" sitting on the throne. IF Yeshua` is the "Lamb," then the "One" is God the Father! See, verses 9 and 13 makes this clear: The "One" who holds the scroll and from whom the scroll is taken is God, Yeshua`s Father. "The Lamb" ("haKeves" in Hebrew meaning a yearling; that is, a male sheep a year old that has just come to maturity) is the one who TAKES the scroll from the "One" holding the scroll." He is the one who "wast slain and hast redeemed us to God (His Father) by [His] blood." By way of explanation, one should go back to the Greek for clarification, but the "Lamb" is "STANDING in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts." First, one typically doesn't stand in a chair! The Greek phrase is "en mesoo tou thronou kai toon tessaroon zoo-oon" (where "oo" represents an omega while "o" is an omicron). It doesn't mean to imply that Yeshua` is in the middle of the throne but rather that He is standing BETWEEN the throne and the four living beings. As I've said before, and must say it again until I'm understood, we MUST keep these two Persons of the Trinity SEPARATE! Without that distinction, we're very liable to make mistakes in our interpretation of various passages. Jasper stone is BLOOD red - BRIGHT red. In the "bloodstone" known as "jasper" today, it is the red flecks in the green chalcedony that is technically "jasper." Sard or "sardius" ("sardine" being the adjective form) is a brownish-red color. So, Yochanan sees a red Image with brownish-red shading representing the Father. However, this Person - God the Father - is shining brightly, seen as great flashes of lightning! So, why the "green rainbow" around the throne? It's the AFTER-IMAGE of what a person would see looking at a shining, red Image! The throne of God has a green AURA around it! Yeshua`, who will be given His own throne, has a DIFFERENT throne! First, notice these other passages that talk about these two Persons: Revelation 6:12-17 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? KJV Notice: TWO Persons are recognized: The "One" who sits on the throne, and the "Lamb." And, these kings, great men, rich men, chief captains, mighty men, every bondman (slave), and evey free man are fearful of the "One's" face, but they are distraught by the WRATH of the Lamb! It is the Lamb's WRATH from which they cower! Revelation 7:9-17 9 After this (the sealing of the 144,000 children of Israel) I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. KJV This is still clearly showing a distinction between the "One" who sits on the throne and the "Lamb." Verses 15 through 17 are references to FUTURE events; that is, they were events that were FUTURE from that time to which Yochanan is transported within his vision. They are references to the New Earth, yet to be discussed in chapters 21 and 22. It's not until Revelation 20 that we read, Revelation 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. KJV and Revelation 20:11-15 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. KJV and finally, Revelation 22:1-4 1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. KJV So, we have evidence in these final locations that Yeshua` will have His own throne, as well. When we use 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 to supplement, we find... 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he (God) hath put all things under his (the Messiah's) feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, (i.e., God is the exception,) which (who) did put all things under him (the Messiah). 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. KJV Since this ties in with Revelation 20:4-6, Yeshua` shall reign for a thousand years subduing his enemies until He has put all enemies under His feet. As the final act of this thousand-year period, He shall resurrect all who remain in their graves and hold the Great White Throne Judgment. Yeshua` Himself said, John 5:21-30 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. KJV At the end of this thousand-year period, this "Millennium," is the time when Yeshua` shall be subject to His Father, that God may be all in all. HOWEVER, that's not when His reign, or His reign on earth, ends! Luke 1:30-33 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. KJV To harmonize and rectify these events, it's clear (to me, anyway) that He shall hand the EMPIRE - the WORLD rulership - over to His Father, while He remains Israel's King forever. Thus, Israel - the MESSIAH'S Israel - shall last forever and shall extend into the Eternal State of the New Earth with its New Sky and the landing of the New Jerusalem. I believe that the reason that this new, huge city will be so named is because it will be centered at the global position of the OLD Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem - God's "Bedouin Tent" - shall be our House, and the whole, New Earth shall be our backyard!

not sure how you can say the resurrection "not biblical" ? or am i misunderstanding you . . ?

X Hello PH, thank you responce. I congratulate you for saying that we are alive in Christ all the time and that he is with us when we are here alive on earth, and then we go to be where he is, after we leave this earthly vessel. The other things i read in your post sounds unbelievable, and I don't think that will ever happen and it is not biblical. Neither it is possible, and I don't think the people who spread them they believe it.

especially since God assuring us that as long as the earth endures, 'the normal course of nature in the universe that God created will take place' is pretty much exactly how we're introduced to the promise, and the rainbow is described as a sign of this promise? The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.” (Genesis 8:22-23) so ((in context)) God declaring a thing He had already created which is always a part of nature after a rain and any other time there is a mist of water in the air to be a sign that nature will continue as it is, and He will not destroy the earth by water ever again -- is that so extraordinary that you cannot believe it ??

i was with you up the point that you wrote "well said Enoob" because from where i am sitting, it sure looks like he is the one engaging in a bit of "creative writing" -- asserting that there was no such thing as rainbows before Noah stepped off the ark, though the Bible does not say this, and more than that, claiming that his opinion is as good as the scripture itself, and anyone who thinks differently is the one engaging in poor 'hermeneutic' -- again all about a minor point that the Bible is silent about. when the Bible is silent, isn't it a bit more reasonable to suppose that the normal course of nature in the universe that God created takes place? instead of imagining a science-fiction world in which the very basis of eyesight ((refraction of light through a transparent medium)) never existed before the floodwaters receded? you really think that's not "creative writing" but supposing that God took a beautiful part of creation that He had already made, and declared it to be a sign to all of creation that He would show it mercy for as long as the earth endures, belongs in the 'speculative fiction' section of the library? weird. for a moment there Kan, i comprehended you. but now my mental issues are rearing their head(s) again.

same with the rainbow -- the Bible does not actually say this was the first rainbow. if we try to use as a rule that whenever the Bible first mentions something, that's when it was created - can we consistently do that with the whole of scripture? is that actually a logical thing to do, and a sound "rule" of hermeneutic ((fancy, pious-sounding word that just means "interpretation"))? were the Nephilim created in Genesis 6? at the very least many hundreds of years after the creation of everything else? was Noah the first person ever to make wine, and that, only after the flood? was Babel the first city, and the tower the first building? was it built from the first bricks? there is no mention of sandals until Genesis 14 - when Abram tells the king of Sodom that he wouldn't take even the thong of one from him. does that mean no one wore shoes before that time? hmm, this could get silly. but if we don't take that as a rule all the time, but only in certain special cases that are to our advantage, aren't we just applying 'rules' haphazardly to the scripture whenever it suits us, to support our own speculations? where the Bible is silent, are we being silent, or are we inserting things that aren't actually there? is that being honest? is that good or right? here's an excerpt from the same article about rainbows -- it's in line with the same train of thought, and it's not just about a lack of scientific evidence or sound scientific logic, it's also about what is actually in the scripture and what is actually not: Rainbow Well, then, how about the rainbow? Didn’t God specially create the never-before-seen rainbow as a sign of His promise? Not necessarily. In Genesis 9:13, God said, “I do set my bow in the cloud,” and the fact that God does not imply that He had never set a rainbow in the clouds before but only that, from now on, the rainbow—appearing as it so often does as rain is ending—would henceforth have a special significance as a token (reminder 1) of God’s promise to never again send a worldwide Flood.

did you read the article? it seems to agree with what i've been saying - that the actual text of the Bible does not say this. it's silent on the issue. so things that the Bible that are silent about, which are completely speculative, that don't really make sense, and require that God arbitrarily change His physical laws, are things we should probably avoid using as arguments and taking strong stances on. here's a quote from it: A Biblical Analysis Proponents of the “no-rain” view refer to Genesis 2 to support their position. Genesis 2:5–6 states that “the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground” (emphasis added). From this passage, all that can really be said is that no rain had fallen up to that time—that is, prior to the creation of man. Remember, Genesis 2 is primarily a detailed recap of Day Six of Creation Week. The passage describes the environment before Adam was created. This mist may have been one of the primary methods that God used to hydrate the dry land He created on Day Three. Furthermore, while this mist was likely the watering source for that vegetation throughout the remainder of Creation Week, the text does not require it to be the only water source after Adam’s creation. Some argue that this mist eliminated the need for rain until the time of the Flood. However, presence of the mist prior to Adam’s creation does not preclude the existence of or the need for rain after he was created. Genesis 2:5–6 reveals that before the Sixth Day of Creation Week, God had watered the plants He made with a mist, but had not yet caused rain or created a man to till the ground. To demand that rain didn’t happen until after the Flood from this passage has no more logical support than to claim, from the passage, that no one farmed until after the Flood.

For some reason the quoting system was bugging. I think the reason why Answers in Genesis avoids that argument is because it is hard to support scientifically, which is kinda their thing. I mean, it seems hard to find evidence that it didn't rain thousands of years in the past. The only real reason the notion exists in because of the Biblical mentions of it.

The phrase"dead in Christ" is referring to the Earthly bodies of Christians who have gone up to meet the Lord. There is no way for a born-again Christ to be spiritually "dead in Christ" this phrase is referring to a physical state of being. Correct me if I am wrong, but every instance of being "dead in Christ" seems to refer to the Rapture. God says that he would call the bodies of the Christian dead up to Heaven before calling the rest. This is one reason I support the idea of Christians being rapture physically as well as spiritually. I am not sure why God will raise the dead bodies first, but the common joke around my church is because the dead have 6 feet further to go than everyone else.

i was looking for something else and happened to notice that Answers in Genesis lists the whole "no rainbows / no rain before the flood" speculation as an 'argument that should be avoided' https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/arguments-to-avoid/there-was-no-rain-before-the-flood/ heh, someone agrees with me. that's encouraging to discover

Perhaps you can show me where I have done otherwise

Thank You LORD Jesus~! The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. Proverbs 21:1

Immediately after the Lord says that He will have His `own throne,` His own authority, we see a `throne` being set up. This indicates an authority being appointed. `To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne...immediately I was in the Spirit; & behold a throne set in heaven,....` (Rev. 3: 21 & 4: 2) Then there is a description of three gem stones – Jasper, Sardius & Emerald. These were on the breastplate of the high Priest & not only represented a tribe but also had a specific meaning. These help us to understand what God the Father is revealing of Christ, His Son. Like a Jasper – The Jasper stone was the last gem on the breastplate It represented the tribe of Naphtali whose name means, to prevail, to conquer . Christ was the last Adam & He prevailed over the world, the flesh & the devil. The `blood-red` colour of the gem indicates the priceless cost of our redemption – Christ`s precious blood. Like a Sardius – This stone was first on the High Priest`s breastplate. It represented the tribe of Judah which means `to use the hand, indicating power & dominion, and a sceptre. Jesus, as we know, came from the tribe of Judah, but His kingship extends over all. A rainbow like an Emerald – The Emerald gem was also on the breastplate of the High Priest & represented the tribe of Reuben, the first born of Israel. We know that the Lord Jesus Christ is God`s only Son & He is called the firstborn. This is not of birth but of manifestation. Christ is the first, the pre-eminent one. It is through Christ that God`s covenant, represented by the rainbow, is fulfilled. Thus we can see that these are pointing to the first-born Son who prevailed over the enemy & is given authority & rulership in the highest realm. To confirm this we are given a pictorial representation of this momentous occasion. The Son, at the Father`s right hand steps forward & receives the appointed authority. `...in the midst of the throne....a Lamb.....he came & took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.` (Rev. 5: 6 & 7) Finally we realise that God Himself has prophesied of this inauguration. `I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion......You are My Son....I will give you the nations for your inheritance & the ends of the earth for your possession.` (Ps. 2: 6 – 8) God`s only Son, His first-born, will be appointed as King in the highest position of authority in all the created realms. Marilyn.

We know that Christ is – equal, of one mind, & in unity with the Father. We also know from God`s word that in function the Godhead operates in divine procession – the Father initiates & the Son administers..... Thus for Christ to have His own `throne,` His own authority & power, then it is from the Father. The Father gives the Son the authority & power for rulership over all, (under the Godhead). I believe this is not to be assumed or to be done quietly in the background but for Christ to be publically recognised & honoured. It is the investiture of regal right – morally & legally, that will be celebrated amid heaven`s throng. It certainly needs a closer & more thoughtful look into. Marilyn.

Curses, Curses Said The Chief And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:3 Blessings Blessings Said The LORD Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. Psalms 122:6

Of course it opposes this. The white house long ago made clear its allegiances.

Maybe you can give an example. You said "a lot" you must be able to point out at least one doctrine you find false? And who are these false teachers? I"m just wondering and there is no disrespect intended. You made a very strong opinion and I wish you would just be able to back up one place where you found false doctrine. Blessings RustyAngeL

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