Syrian Refugee Crisis? Who's Ultimately Responsible?

[other one]

As I see it, the enemy, satan, is to blame, and we were stupid enough to fall into his trap.  This is why Jesus wants to rescue us from his grasp.  But does He get a thank you?  No, much of the world insists on denying His deity.  This problem is not a political one, but one of sheer ignorance.  We humans are not as smart as we think or pretend to be.

wow, I knew all that so I must be one smart dude....

[Littlelambseativy]

I often wonder as I watch the mass migration, why they are all choosing to leave and spread to all the world...then I recall the words of Revelation and the tribulation realizing that God is letting us fulfill His Word. We do not have any way of identifying the "who" that will invade our shores we just see the people desperate to enter the North and west..not China, India..not Hungary!! I ask myself ..why? It is the Christian countries that are being sought. We are perhaps closer to the end of times than we think.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Littlelambseativy

[Bible_Gazer]

God still rules in the kingdom of men.

He sets up and tears down.

He must has a purpose for the Middle east and Europe.

What ever the Devils does God allows it and can change it anytime he wants to.

The Devil is weak when it come to God. Gods plans always overrides the Devils plans.

God can use the Devils children for whatever is in his plans.

Its just interesting how God is moving things around or letting it happen.

What ever will transpire its the will of God.

 

[OakWood]

There is a chain of responsibility.

Brutal Ba'athist dictators such as Saddam Hussein kept radical Muslims in line.

Bush removed Saddam Hussein...... bad move. Bush can take a small portion of the blame.

The Arab Spring came. Another dictator, Mubarak was removed from power in Egypt. Obama encouraged this. He takes a share of the blame.

The dictator in Syria, Bashir al-Assad is now struggling to keep radical Muslims in line. Obama has tried to get Assad removed from power. Obama takes more share of the blame.

George W. Bush takes a tiny piece of the blame but the major culprit without any shadow of a doubt is Obama and his colleagues.

I would go so far as to say that Bush's intentions were well-meaning so although he takes some of the blame, his tinkering was not deliberate. Obama has made the same mistakes time and again. He has no excuse and he knows what he is doing. His intentions are malicious.

 

 

[OldSchool2]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.html

Iraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS....

Such things don't happen in a  a few months.  It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....

I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.

That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil.  That's where this all started and the year was 2003.  He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. 

Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... 

NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab Spring

It is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

Spiritually it is Satan's plan but there are human agents that are working to the same end.

Coincidentally the same human agents who have been transforming the Middle East have also been "fundamentally transforming" what was the United States of America. 

[MorningGlory]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.html

Iraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS ...

Such things don't happen in a  a few months.  It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....

I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.

That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil.  That's where this all started and the year was 2003.  He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. 

Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... 

NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab Spring

It is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

Again....it goes back years BEFORE the Arab Spring.  The beginning of the downward spital in the M.E. started with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

So, the beginning of the downward spiral in the Middle East started with the toppling of a dictator who had previously started an eight year war with Iran -- that threatened the international shipping of oil in the Persian Gulf -- and who then invaded Kuwait and threatened its border with Saudi Arabia, two nations where I had to spend the next 6 months of my military life?

No.

Yes, but not for the reasons you give.  Because he contained Iran and there is the key.  The genie got out of the bottle when Saddam was deposed and it has been straight down hill from there.  Iran is behind everything that is going on now and there is no way to deny that.  Cause and effect, OldSchool.

[*Zion*]

As I see it, the enemy, satan, is to blame, and we were stupid enough to fall into his trap.  This is why Jesus wants to rescue us from his grasp.  But does He get a thank you?  No, much of the world insists on denying His deity.  This problem is not a political one, but one of sheer ignorance.  We humans are not as smart as we think or pretend to be.

wow, I knew all that so I must be one smart dude....

Lol, I believe we all do, but get stuck on what we see rather than going with what we know, if you know what I mean

[OldSchool2]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.html

Iraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS ...

Such things don't happen in a  a few months.  It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....

I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.

That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil.  That's where this all started and the year was 2003.  He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. 

Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... 

NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab Spring

It is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

Again....it goes back years BEFORE the Arab Spring.  The beginning of the downward spital in the M.E. started with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

So, the beginning of the downward spiral in the Middle East started with the toppling of a dictator who had previously started an eight year war with Iran -- that threatened the international shipping of oil in the Persian Gulf -- and who then invaded Kuwait and threatened its border with Saudi Arabia, two nations where I had to spend the next 6 months of my military life?

No.

Yes, but not for the reasons you give.  Because he contained Iran and there is the key.  The genie got out of the bottle when Saddam was deposed and it has been straight down hill from there....

IMO, that "genie" was un-bottled when the ayatollah left France and toppled the Shaw of Iran under then President Carter. And after 8 years of war with Iran, even Saddam had to finally sue for peace.

[MorningGlory]

IMO, that "genie" was un-bottled when the ayatollah left France and toppled the Shaw of Iran under then President Carter. And after 8 years of war with Iran, even Saddam had to finally sue for peace.

That's going back a little too far for me to speak about without researching it. But the fact remains; Iran is the problem.  Blaming the U.S. for the condition of the M.E. is simply not logical (although we DO bear some of the blame).  That region has always been a problem and will be until the Lord comes back. I don't feel that the U.S, Canada or Europe has a responsibility to take in millions of refugees either. Humanitarian aid yes; resettlement, no.

[missmuffet]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/antiisis-paris-summit-world-ministers-meet-to-discuss-strategy-to-wipe-out-terror-group-10290638.html

Iraqi PM Haidar al-Abadi has hit the nail on the head. The Syrian refugee crisis cannot be separated from the success of ISIS/ISIL and the "failure of the world" to deal with ISIS ...

Such things don't happen in a  a few months.  It began with removing Saddam Hussein and the rest followed like dominoes....

I seem to recall an "Arab Spring" that began when a Tunisian burned himself to death in protest.

That was years later....removing Saddam was like removing the stopper from your sink....he was the evil holding back the evil.  That's where this all started and the year was 2003.  He was a monster but was the only restrainer of Iran. 

Saddam was not holding back the "Arab Spring" ... 

NY Times: Obama Jump-Started Arab Spring

It is now possible to trace precisely what Obama knew and when he knew it, and it proves that installing the Muslim Brotherhood into power was a conscious and deliberate strategy developed by Obama before the "Arab Spring" began.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

Again....it goes back years BEFORE the Arab Spring.  The beginning of the downward spital in the M.E. started with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

So, the beginning of the downward spiral in the Middle East started with the toppling of a dictator who had previously started an eight year war with Iran -- that threatened the international shipping of oil in the Persian Gulf -- and who then invaded Kuwait and threatened its border with Saudi Arabia, two nations where I had to spend the next 6 months of my military life?

No.

Yes, but not for the reasons you give.  Because he contained Iran and there is the key.  The genie got out of the bottle when Saddam was deposed and it has been straight down hill from there....

IMO, that "genie" was un-bottled when the ayatollah left France and toppled the Shaw of Iran under then President Carter. And after 8 years of war with Iran, even Saddam had to finally sue for peace.

That's going back a little too far for me to speak about without researching it. But the fact remains; Iran is the problem.  Blaming the U.S. for the condition of the M.E. is simply not logical (although we DO bear some of the blame).  That region has always been a problem and will be until the Lord comes back. I don't feel that the U.S, Canada or Europe has a responsibility to take in millions of refugees either. Humanitarian aid yes; resettlement, no.

That is a good solution.Many of those refugees are already very unhappy and want to go home.