Pre trib rapture is fake

[SINNERSAVED]

2 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

So are you calling Jesus Christ a Liar. That He was inaccurate in saying that Only God the Father Knows the timing of the Rapture.  Think about it.

In Christ

Montana Marv

No Jesus is not a liar, but you have made a statement  and have not understand what it is even talking about, and so you need to see the truth in what the scripture is, and what it means, your conclusion, is false, ? this is not what it says

thank you

[Montana Marv]

4 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

this does not say that there is a rapture before His second coming also , ?

 you have taken and picked and choose to  make a point,  what if you read and understand that in matthew it says that when the sun is dark and the son of man comes, he will have His angels gather the elect  and this is after the tribulation, it is all there in black and white, why do you refuse to read that,  it tells you that the gathering is at the second coming, and he does not come in secret, and to not let any man deceive you , so please stick with scripture,  ,not what you want it to say , give scripture,  thank you it makes it clear when that happens  thank you

Look again, Only God the Father Knows the time of the Rapture, it is not in Scripture.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

[SINNERSAVED]

Just now, Montana Marv said:

Look again, Only God the Father Knows the time of the Rapture, it is not in Scripture.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

you are saying that no one knows the day or hour of the rapture, I am telling you if you are saying its not in scripture then you have just really confused me, to make a false statement of scripture and force it, on another brother, , ? what are you trying to do ? you cannot take apart scripture and add your own interpretation , and say it is the word of God, do you know what that means ? and how that looks ?

[n2thelight]

7 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

Are you really that desperate to be 'right'?  None of us are going to know for sure until the Rapture happens.

We are suppose to know,and know where in scripture is this false doctrine taught...

[HeartSearcher]

You know I know from experience that this is a topic that can get ugly and is a never ending debate.

But such debates have their purposes, however if there is nothing more to learn or gain from a debate then it just becomes senseless arguing. Think of why you are debating think of if this debate brings you closer to God or not and search heart honestly for the reason and motive you are debating, it's easy to say and even convince ourselves we are debating for the truth but this is not always the case sometimes we just want to prove each other wrong.

If we begin to notice our emotions rise and influence our responses then we should back down until we are are able to debate in calm mature and Christ like manner. not pointing to anyone just giving a friendly reminder

[Montana Marv]

8 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

you are saying that no one knows the day or hour of the rapture, I am telling you if you are saying its not in scripture then you have just really confused me, to make a false statement of scripture and force it, on another brother, , ? what are you trying to do ? you cannot take apart scripture and add your own interpretation , and say it is the word of God, do you know what that means ? and how that looks ?

SS

The time of the Rapture is definitely not revealed in Scripture.  I have been telling many of you for years, you do not listen.

John 1:1-2 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning.  v14 - And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

If one looks closely, the Word includes Gen 1:1 to and through Rev 22:21.  Both the seen and unseen.  The Word is which is both Spoken and Written.  Our books cannot contain all of what Jesus Christ has done.  So everything which is in the Word existed before the beginning, so the Word has never changed.  The full and complete Word existed before "God created the Heavens and the Earth" of Gen 1:1.

Now to the Rapture.  Jesus himself has said that ONLY God the Father knows the time for the retrieving of the Bride by the Bridegroom.  This is the Harpozo, the catching up, the Rapture.  And of this the Son (Word) does not know, the angels in heaven do do not know (plus also the Holy Spirit does not know).  It is only God the Father who knows.

Where does this take us; since there have been no additions to the Word from before the beginning, and Jesus Christ says that only God the Father knows its timing, one cannot and will not find it in Scripture, it is not there.  For Jesus Christ has implied it is not there, for He is the Word and should know.  When Jesus Christ says that Only God the Father Knows, I have to take it by what He says.

I cannot be more clear.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Ezra]

11 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I honestly don't know what you're getting at.  Are you saying that it is going to take Jesus 1000 years to resurrect those who believe in Him?

The general assumption is that "the last day" is one day which is the last of all the days. That is incorrect.  Christ said that there will be a resurrection of the just in the last day.  But we know that the resurrection of the Tribulation saints is before the Millennium, and the resurrection of the damned (which is also said to be in the last day) is after at least 1,000 years (see Rev 20).  

So to glibly say that everything occurs on "the last day" is to confuse ourselves and others. Furthermore, the first resurrection (which is the resurrection of th saints) is in three phases corresponding to the Hebrew harvest: (1) the firstfruits [Christ], (2) the main harvest [ the Resurrection Rapture] and (3) the gleanings [the Tribulation saints].  This is all a part of "the last day".

[Ezra]

On 04/04/2016 at 2:34 AM, Sister said:

I think it is a salvation issue.

The timing of the Rapture cannot be a salvation issue. The majority of Christians are not very conversant with Bible prophecies. 

[Ezra]

On 04/04/2016 at 7:49 AM, WilliamL said:

The Great Presumption of pre-tribbers: that the Wrath of God is the same as the Great Tribulation. Not a single verse in scripture supports this doctrine of pre-trib, but you all just say it as if it was a proven fact anyway.

There are dozens of verses which connect the Great Tribulation with the Day of the LORD, which is also the period when God's wrath is poured out upon this earth, as shown from Revelation 6 through 18 (and numerous OT prophecies).  So it is "a proven fact" within Scripture. At the same time THERE IS NOT A SINGLE VERSE which connects the Rapture to the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation.

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The time of the Rapture is definitely not revealed in Scripture.  I have been telling many of you for years, you do not listen.

The timing of an event can be known in relation to other events without knowing its specific day or hour.