Waiting for their Messiah

[n2thelight]

On 4/26/2016 at 1:26 AM, TrevorL said:

Greetings "Watching for Jesus",

Neither of these. Jesus is returning to convert the Jews and they will then form the first dominion of the Kingdom of God. Jesus will reign over them from Jerusalem upon the Throne of David and the Temple will be built.

Romans 11:25-28 (KJV): 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.

Micah 4:1-8 (KJV): 1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. 2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it. 5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. 6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; 7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. 8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

Christ is not returning to convert the Jew's or anyone else!!!!If they don't believe before He returns,they're lost like all others.....

[TrevorL]

Greetings n2thelight,

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Christ is not returning to convert the Jew's or anyone else!!!!If they don't believe before He returns,they're lost like all others.....

How then do you understand the two passages that I quoted?

Kind regards Trevor

[douggg]

The Jews are waiting for their messiah, who according to Judaism 101.com, a great politician, fights the battles of God in defending Israel, descended from King David.

The person starts out as the little horn, leader of the EU.    When Gog/Magog develops, he assembles his armies in Greece to stave off the aggression.    Gog/Magog takes place, supernaturally destroyed by God.    The little horn and his army arrive in the middle east, grab up the oil fields. 

The person is perceived by the Jews as the arrival of their messiah, to begin the messianic age.

The little horn accepts the idea and plays the part, overseeing the reading of the law from the temple mount, in compliance with Deuteronomy 31:9-13, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle.    He has officially become the Antichrist

3 years 4 months go by.   The person becomes convinced in his heart that he has achieved God-hood, is temporarily entered into by Satan, and commits the transgression of desolation - going into the temple claiming to be God.

The Jews will be mortified and refuse him as continuing as their king of Israel - ending his Antichrist stage.     He is now the revealed man of sin.   God has him killed for the act.

In disdain for the person, who destroys his land and his people, God brings him back to life, and the man of sin gets possessed by the beast ascending out of the bottomless pit - he is now the beast of Revelation 13.     42 months, until Jesus Returns to end his reign.

Edited May 14, 2016 by douggg

[Willa]

On April 26, 2016 at 10:26 PM, TrevorL said:

8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

 Mi 4:8The Tower of the Flock or Midgel Eder, was predicted to be where Jesus was to be born.  It is just outside of Bethlehem where the temple sheep, those destined to be sacrificed, were pastured.  See Micah 5:2-5  Barnes Notes says:

Micah 4:8

And thou, O tower of the flock - “‘Tower of Ader,’ which is interpreted ‘tower of the flock,’ about 1000 paces (a mile) from Bethlehem,” says Jerome who lived there, “and foresignifying (in its very name) by a sort of prophecy the shepherds at the Birth of the Lord.” There Jacob fed his sheep Gen 35:21, and there (since it was hard by Bethlehem) the shepherds, keeping watch over their flocks by night, saw and heard the Angels singing, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.” The Jews inferred from this place that the Messiah should be revealed there .

[TrevorL]

Greetings Willa,

 

11 hours ago, Willa said:

And thou, O tower of the flock - “‘Tower of Ader,’ which is interpreted ‘tower of the flock,’ about 1000 paces (a mile) from Bethlehem,” says Jerome who lived there, “and foresignifying (in its very name) by a sort of prophecy the shepherds at the Birth of the Lord.” There Jacob fed his sheep Gen 35:21, and there (since it was hard by Bethlehem) the shepherds, keeping watch over their flocks by night, saw and heard the Angels singing, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.” The Jews inferred from this place that the Messiah should be revealed there .

 

That is an interesting piece of information, but I still believe that the following speaks of the regathering of the Jews to their land and then their conversion at the return of Christ:  

Micah 4:6-8 (KJV): 6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; 7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever. 8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

[Sister]

 

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Who will build this temple that the man of sin (who I believe will be the antichrist) sits in?

Hi Jeff

 Daniel 11:36   And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Daniel 11:45   And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

  2 Thessalonians 2:3   Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
  2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 Revelation 19:20   And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

The beast = 10 kings

False Prophet = Son of Perdition, that king who exalts himself.  "He" will set up his office there in Jerusalem.  He will give the order.

The beast and false prophet are working together..

 

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Isn't there a false Messiah coming before Jesus returns?

If so, who will be this false Messiah?  The antichrist?  The false prophet?  Someone else?

Jeff

 

The antichrist is the false prophet.  Same man.  There's only one man coming, not two..  He will be secular and spiritual all rolled into one, hence the two horns on his head.

 Revelation 13:11   And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
 

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, Sister said:

 

Hi Jeff

 Daniel 11:36   And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Daniel 11:45   And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

  2 Thessalonians 2:3   Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
  2 Thessalonians 2:4   Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 Revelation 19:20   And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

The beast = 10 kings

False Prophet = Son of Perdition, that king who exalts himself.  "He" will set up his office there in Jerusalem.  He will give the order.

The beast and false prophet are working together..

 

The antichrist is the false prophet.  Same man.  There's only one man coming, not two..  He will be secular and spiritual all rolled into one, hence the two horns on his head.

 Revelation 13:11   And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
 

No, even in the verses you have quoted the anti-Christ and the false prophet are two different people.  Revelation 19:20 tells us that.  The anti-Christ is the beast and the false prophet is a different person and both will be cast into the lake of fire.  The false prophet promotes the worship of the beast who is the anti-Christ.  So they cannot be the same person.

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

No, even in the verses you have quoted the anti-Christ and the false prophet are two different people.  Revelation 19:20 tells us that.  The anti-Christ is the beast and the false prophet is a different person and both will be cast into the lake of fire.  The false prophet promotes the worship of the beast who is the anti-Christ.  So they cannot be the same person.

The beast comes up out of the abyss.  There is no precedent for humans going in or out of the abyss.

[Guest shiloh357]

50 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

The beast comes up out of the abyss.  There is no precedent for humans going in or out of the abyss.

The anti-Christ is not merely human.

[other one]

how much dna would have to be changed before a human spirit would not enter a new body??