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It is amazing Biblical IGNORANCE to think that the children of Israel are all unbelievers on Christ, which is essentially what your pre-trib rapture doctrines are saying right there in your post! You should automatically know those kind of ideas are false, and do not align with God's Holy Writ! And I'll remind you to be very 'careful' on the ground you're treading, with attacking me personally, saying I have no hope, etc. The majority of the Christian Churches in the western Christian nations are likely made up of a majority of the children of Israel! Have you not ever considered the Genesis 35 and Genesis 48 prophecies about Israel becoming "a company of nations"??? No, of course not, because teaching REAL Bible history is against what the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors want to do. And did you MISS counting the believing JEWS that were present at Pentecost??? Acts 2:5 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. KJV Acts 2:9-11 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. KJV I really think you ought take your hatred of Jews and Israel somewhere else. The attempt to create an all Gentile only Church is a sick idea those of the likes of Darby created to deceive with.

Blessings Leonardo I think it is possible that because you are adding "INTO" to each of the words above you are understanding all 3 to have the same definition (meaning) & this may be because the English language is a rather difficult & complicated one at that You see the difference is largely based on the actual word "introduce" & that is what I hope to bring attention to because an "introduction",by itself is only a initiation,a launch If you were"introduced" to me then someone only 'presented" me to you but you do not know me at all,now you know "about me',,,,,they have told you my name"This is Leonardo,meet Kwik,she is a friend of mine" Do you understand?There is no relationship here,you know my name & now you can get to know ME......The Relationship has been intitiated Now you have put "into" with it which is to implicate that a Relationship has begun,,,,,,which is correct by your Understanding only we do not want anyone to have a misunderstanding,right? Here is another example of why I wouldn't use the word "introduce" .... "Leonardo,I was so excited today.....a friend took me to the beach & I was introduced to the ocean for the very first time" "Oh,I didn't actually get in the water yet,I'm not ready for swimming but it sure looks great" Hope that cleared it up a bit,that is the purpose of elaborating on the particular word......what is most important would be "INTO".....I don't think your Understanding is wrong,I believe you Understand perfectly.......language can sometimes be a little obstacle-lol With love-in Christ,Kwik

Again, a classic misunderstanding, and you can explain to post tribbers till you are blue in the face, and one week later they will cite the very same, tired old passage, that is irrelevant. We UNDERSTAND there will be people in the Tribulation that give their Lives to Jesus Christ, why do you guys PRETEND we haven't explained this 40 million times ? Of course after the Rapture their will be many converts, we see that God is still sending preachers of the Gospel forth to preach, we understand that 5 of the Virgins were FOOLISH and did not have enough oil (Holy Spirit) to make it to the Marriage of the Lamb. These are the SAINTS who are overcome by Satan. This is elementary. So PEOPLE BECOME CHRISTIANS, after the Rapture (I am sure if you are left behind as 100's of millions are taken, you will repent, as would I and become a true Christian, If I was left behind, I would understand, I had sin in my life somewhere that needed dealing with !! ) and THOSE ARE THE Saints that Satan makes war with and Beheads, because when he can not Get at Israel (Rev. 12) he is angry and turns towards the Christians or Remnant (Small part that is Left) of the SEED of the Woman (Israel).

No it isn't, Jesus marries the Church, ALL OF THE CHURCH that was ready at his SHOUT....Not some of the Church, you see what lengths you guys have to go to to make it work out ? The whole Church will not Marry the Lamb in Heaven, its only the Saints who slept who are in Heaven, even thou 1 Corinthians chapter 15 expressly tells us that those ALIVE and Remaining change into incorruptible bodies and go to Heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. This passage clearly states the Dead in Christ (those asleep) and those Christians alive will be Raptured at the same time. Your biggest problem is just like the Luke 23 passage, you guys get hung up on the "LAST TRUMP" and allow it to confuse and deceive you. The Last Trump is in Reference to what calls forth the Feast of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacle every year for Israel, it is the Feast of Trumpets. At the last Trump, we the Church (of Pentecost as in the Feast of Pentecost) will be called Home, and it will be Israels time of Atonement (Jacobs Trouble will bring Israel to Repentance) then the Last Feast will be when Israel Tabernacles with God (Dwells with God). This is the whole Goal of Daniels 70th Week Decree, to bring Israel back unto God before the 70th Week expires. In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age. 1. Finish the transgression ( Before the 70th Week passes Israel has to finish the Revolt against God ) 2. Make and end of sins ( Only Jesus can put an end to Daily Sins so Israel Repents, then Jesus Rules and Israel Dwell with God ) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Israel has to ATONE for their Sins by accepting Jesus as the Messiah ) 4. Bring in everlasting righteousness ( Only Jesus can do this ) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( All prophecies must be Fulfilled by the time this 70th Week ends ) 6. Anoint the most Holy ( Jesus Christ will be Anointed King of Kings and Lord of Lords ) These taking of single words or passages like "The Last Trump" and running with them like they are a Trump of Revelation, when Revelation had never been Written, and this Trump in 1 Corinthians 15 calls Gods people Home whereas the other Trump brings forth Wrath, is just bonkers to me, it leads to confusion.

Revelation 19 is about Jesus coming 'with'... the "asleep" saints and His angels. That is day of the Lord timing when the following events occur per 1 Thess.4: 1. the "asleep" saints are resurrected, and Jesus descends to this earth bringing those saints and His angels with Him. 2. the saints still alive on earth are changed to the spiritual body at the twinkling of an eye, and then are seized to Jesus and His alseep saints with ALL going to Jerusalem on earth. There is NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE in any of that event.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree there. First off, the life of a Christian is not promised to be a bowl of cherries, it is said to be a life of trials and sacrifices. It sounds like you want proof of God's existence - I don't think that is something you really want to persue. God wnats us to have faith, to trust him, to let go of what we think we want and need, and allow Him to have control over meeting our needs. Proof, displaces faith. It is by faith, that we receive His blessings, especially the permanent, timeless ones. Sure, we have the example of Gideon in Judges 6, where he required God to prove himself, but that is not said to be a good thing, it would have been better for Gideon to just be obedient and trusting. A big difference though in that case, was that Gideon was in actual conversation with an angel of the Lord, a little different that the typical Christian circumstance. What we have though, that they did not, is a complete Bible, a long history of God doing the miraculous, and His Son rising from the dead as the ultimate sign, and now, we have the New Testament and 2000 years of church history. There is little left for us to have seriously legitimate doubts about, if we take the totality of all these things seriously. I am sure, many reading this, will now be praying for you, but perhaps not for what you wish would happen, but for God's will to happen in your life.

The major difference was that Obama had already decided to destroy America before he took office. The others had simply bungled the job. What we may never know is who are the puppet-masters for the presidential puppets. A Shadow Government is not a wild conspiracy theory, but a fact. George Soros is at least one of those puppet-masters.

I'm really depressed, stressed and anxious. I'm only eighteen years old but I feel like I've lived a lifetime. I feel well beyond my age...I feel old. So much negative things have happened in my life up until this point. Bad thing after bad thing...it just doesn't stop. I keep waiting for a break but I never really get one. I've been a Christian in the past but through that period of my life, which was ten years, my life didn't get any better, in fact it got worse, so my faith got less and less strong. This resulted in me questioning God a couple years back, questioning life and everything in it, which led to an existential crisis and me leaving Church and God. Every-day I get worse and worse. I feel like I'm dying day-after-day. I'm at my breaking point. I can't take this anymore. I don't know if God is really real anymore, I need proof. I plan on fasting everything: technology, food etcetera and just push into him by reading his word and praying. I want God to show me that he is real by giving me a full beard...like one day in my fast I'll just wake up with a massive full beard (I don't really have facial hair so hence the beard). This is my way of knowing whether God is really real or not. I don't plan on stoping the fast until this happens. If I die, then I die. But I just really need this, I need to know if he's really real. I need something to live for. I need meaning and purpose in my life. Nothing feels real anymore, the world around me and the people in it. I just need to know that God is real, that he's really real. Do you think this will work?

Hi BacKaran, Pleased to meet you & welcome here. Now I understand about trusting the Lord, for that is what we do every day & not to worry, have anxiety etc. However saying that I think I need to say that it doesn`t mean to not do anything. God expects us to be mindful of the times & able to share with others. Thus we see what has happened in countries recently when the banks closed their doors & only let people have a few dollars from the ATM machines. Food was quickly gone from the shelves etc. So we need to keep some cash on hand plus extra food for others who don`t have much. This is trusting God to be able to help others. regards, Marilyn.

The below Scripture is about today, which I will show how, and it reveals how God feels about the pre-trib rapture theory of flying away to escape: Ezek 13:1-9 13:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, "The LORD saith": and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, "The LORD saith it"; albeit I have not spoken? 8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 9 And Mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of My people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. KJV That "day of the Lord" is an event set for the very end of this world on the last day, the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. God said there the religious leaders of the "house of Israel" have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for them so that they can do what? So that they can STAND in battle in the day of the Lord. The majority of you likely have little clue as to who and where the "house of Israel" exists in the last days leading up to this "day of this Lord" event. It's because most Churches today don't cover Bible history in-depth anymore. God split old Israel in Solomon's day into 2 separate kingdoms and thus 2 separate 'houses'. The ten tribes of Israel made up the northern kingdom of the "house of Israel" (these being spoken of here in Ezekiel 13). The ten tribes God scattered among the Gentiles in Solomon's days. They never returned as the majority of the people of Israel. At the same time of the split of Israel, the southern kingdom was the "house of Judah" in the southern lands, at Jerusalem/Judea. They remained in the land when the ten tribes were removed and scattered. Then about 120 years, the king of Babylon took those of the house of Judah captive to Babylon for 70 years, which only a small remnant of them returned to Jerusalem rebuild the city and 2nd temple prior to Jesus' 1st coming. These became known as the Jews. The majority of the tribes, the ten tribes, remained scattered among the Gentiles. Genesis 35 and 48 contain prophecy that Jacob was to become "a company of nations", and Ephraim, who would become the head tribe over the ten tribes (1 Kings 11 & 12), was to become "a multitude of nations". These nations are the western Christian nations of history. That is where the majority of the people of Israel were scattered to, forming the old European nations. This Ezekiel 13 chapter is specifically to the ten tribed "house of Israel" in the last days. If you have not realized this yet, I'll say it out load. There are TWO SEPARATE HOUSES OF ISRAEL in God's Word, the "house of Israel" (non-Jews) and the "house of Judah" (the Jews, from their head tribe Judah). God made Ezekiel specifically a prophet to the "house of Israel" (ten tribes, the "multitude of nations" under Ephraim). See also Ezekiel 3 about God having made Ezekiel a prophet to the house of Israel. If you don't understand the above, you will not understand how this prophecy is about events at the very end of this world. Ezek 13:17-23 17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? God uses the "daughters of thy people" to show these religious leaders were like women prophetesses. The idea of their sewing pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head people of all age groups, is in comparison to the female pagan prophetess who would lean upon a cushion or pillow with the victim having a veil over their head to symbolize some magical transforming state which would supposedly reveal secrets of the next world, etc. In short, these religious leaders, foxes among the house of Israel God called them, were really putting on a big mystical show to fool God's people. Are we getting closer to what's been going on in many of the Pre-trib Rapture Churches today, with people writhing in the floor uncontrollably making animal noises, shaking uncontrollably, speaking gibberish, and running and jumping up and down the asiles, etc.? And they call those works of The Holy Spirit? No, our Heavenly Father is right on with this Message here in Ezek.13 of what's going on in many Churches today. And just who... does the saving of souls? Is it the preacher? NO! It is GOD. He does the saving. 19 And will ye pollute Me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My people that hear your lies? Man, now here's a big thing going on today in many of the Pre-trib Rapture Churches. Why can't we all have a huge mansion, lots of cars, even a private jet, like Joel Osteen does? What will happen if we go up in a tower and threaten to not come down until we receive $8 million dollars, like Oral Roberts did many years ago? If their preachers are talking about money most of the time, what do you think is on their minds most of the time? Yes, that's right, money! That is what the "handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread" represents here in this verse. What's really bad is, they offer eternal life to save the souls that should not live, while slaying the souls that should not die, all by their lies! 20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Because of this, God is against their pillows they use to hunt the souls to make them... FLY! Make them do what??? Make them fly. That is exactly what the Pre-trib Rapture doctors are doing today in some churches, hunting souls to make them fly... away! Oh, fly away... you've heard the Gospel song. God said He is going to tear them out of those false prophet's arms. 21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver My people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. KJV

I personally believe that there will be another GFC, (Global Financial Crisis) late this year, (or early next year). It will be 10 times bigger than the last because of the huge debt bubble. As to how it will affect the food, well....it will make all our currencies devalued & thus our food will be dearer. Smaller banks & those who get caught will be swallowed up by the larger ones. Power getting into fewer hands. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) is now much bigger, with 5 major currencies in their `basket,` which will turn out to be the `saviour` again of the world`s economic system. It will print money on its own authority & give it out to countries in need - at a price! So it is all about getting rid of the old system & putting a better controlling one in its place. BTW it is a good opportunity to grow some of our own food & share with others. In times of need people are more open to what is real - Jesus. So let`s see this as a great opportunity to trust the Lord, & help others. Marilyn.

As for the idea of the Church not being mentioned after Revelation chapter 3, that is another one of the lies from the false Pre-trib Rapture doctrine of men. Rev 13:7-8 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. KJV You brethren who love God's Word more than doctrines of men like the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, do you see that bold phrase there in verse 8? That is especially about Christ's ELECT servants who were chosen from the foundation of the world. That is... Christ's Church! They are still... on earth there! What? Does the devil have "saints"? Who could that mean then? Hmm... let's see, believers of Buddhism aren't called saints, Muslims aren't called saints, unbelieving Jews aren't called saints, Hindus aren't called saints? Ah! I know! It must be CHRISTIANS, because they ARE called saints! And since when... are saints NOT about Christ's Church?!@!? So brethren, it's up to you who listen to, the simplicity that is in God's Holy Writ, or men's doctrines devised by charlatans who are really more interested in your money than protecting the flock, and who will run when the wolves come after the sheep (John 10). Hirelings they are, and they will have their reward when our Lord Jesus comes!

God is with us through all of our tribulations and there can be many. I have sure had my share. We ask God to be with us during all of these trials and He is. We go through this life suffering just as Christ suffered while He was on this earth. God does not have to prove anything to you. We come to Christ not by sight but by faith. You might try asking Jesus Christ into your life and asking for forgiveness of your sins and reading your Bible everyday. Satan is out there for every opportunity he can get to devour us.

The view of the 24 elders is a future forward look, as they sing the new song, which of course ONLY occurs at the end of this world with Jesus' second coming, standing upon Mt. Zion (Sion) per Rev.14. I don't know why... some like to cloud this matter, the Scripture is clear enough. The rewards are not handed out until Jesus returns and takes possession of all the kingdoms of this world (Rev.11, 7th trumpet forward).

The Luke 23 Scripture is Jesus' words, not mine. Not all the unbelieving Jews will convert during this world, and thus will appear in shame when Jesus comes, like He showed in Luke 23; don't weep for Him, but "weep for yourselves and your children" He said.

I think that it's ok to ask God to prove himself. You're taking a big gamble if you don't have proof. It's not much to ask for in return for your dedication. It's pretty sad to make us follow him or else we'll in hell forever... that's just really sad. I just want to know if he's really real before I give up my everything. It's not too much to ask for; it's logical. If God is really real then he knows what I've been through and have had to suffer so far in my life, then I think he'd understand were I'm coming from. He's supposed to be loving and caring ya know? Wouldn't a loving and caring God answer your prayers? Wouldn't he love to give someone like me closure? If he did this then I'd be a follower and I'd probably give him my everything. It's a win win for him ya know?

Doubtful. It sounds like putting God to the test to me. We are fortunate to live in a time of scientific discovery. The world and universe around us screams that God is real, that He must be real. Look up Doug Powell's apologetics video on Youtube for starters. We are not called to vague, blind faith. God has given us incredible scientific understanding to see levels of his power and majesty through his creation that people in past could never have dreamed of. We can know that the Bible is true! I'd also advise you to try to connect to a good local church that strongly teaches the world of God. God bless you in your search!

Since this is after the Rapture, it could mean a Fullness of the Saints of God, or it could be the Twelve Disciples and the Twelve Saints of old representing the Twelve Tribes of Israel. 12 is a number of Fullness also, and the 144,000 is 12,000 x 12,000 I have often thought this represents all Israel being saved. Elijah turns them back unto God/Messiah Jesus and they are seen as pure as virgins. FINALLY. That last bit is just a thought process I am going through. I do not make up my mind on these things until the Holy Spirit gives me the go ahead, or the unction comes forth.

Good points Montana Marv. By omission the church is not mentioned after Revelation 3:, and the twenty-four elders with crowns show up, and they toss their crowns to Jesus's feet as you stated. The Bible is replete with symbolic numbers. One: Unity. Two: Union, division, witnessing, Three: Resurrection, Divine completeness and perfection. So on and so forth. Twenty-four: Is the number for 'the priesthood'. We shall be kings and priests with the Lord Jesus Christ. This number is representative of the raptured church. And the word "rapture" (from the Greek harpazo - to seize), is in the Bible, the Latin Bible.

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Romans 12:15 The transgender suicide epidemic: is accepting their confusion really the answer? August 18, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – People who suffer from gender confusion are encouraged by the current cultural climate to "be themselves," meaning reject the gender they were born with. "Transgender" teens are taught that what they feel is who they are and that to be happy and fulfilled, they must become the opposite sex. When Bruce Jenner decided to publicly look like a woman, he was supported by the mass media. Even the president of the United States, when Jenner decided to have castration surgery, applauded him as a "courageous" hero. But studies repeatedly show that "transgender" people who seek to become the opposite sex are in fact not happy or fulfilled. In fact, a life-or-death internal war is continually going on within, to the degree that many, if not most, seek to end their lives. That's what the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute found when the foundation analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. The numbers of suicide attempts are heartbreaking. Over 41 percent of active "transgender" people try to kill themselves. That's ten times the average 4.6 percent suicide attempt rate. And this study isn't the only one proving that those who seek to live as if they were the opposite sex are, in fact, killing themselves. Over a dozen other surveys worldwide have found the same alarmingly high suicide rates. A national survey of more than 6,500 transgender people asked the question "Have you tried to commit suicide?" Forty-one percent answered, "Yes." "Chronically high stress levels," "anxiety," and "depression" are most commonly reported among active transgender people. Self-harm by cutting is often reported as well. The suicide hotline for them, Trans Lifeline, handled more than 20,000 calls in its first nine months of operation alone. Greta Gustava Martela, a lesbian who founded the hotline, summarizes, "With 41% attempting suicide, you have to assume something's just not working for transgender folks." The mainstream media attributes the exploding transgender suicide rate to outside influences, such as peer and parental rejection, but does not consider the transgender person's tragic internal battle as intrinsic to living a psychological dichotomy. The facts speak otherwise. The University of Birmingham's Aggressive Research Intelligence Facility (ARIF) conducted a medical review that found that there is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals. In fact, many transsexuals remain severely internally distressed and suicidal after the operation. Chris Hyde, the director of ARIF, explained, "A large number of people who have [sex change] surgery remain traumatized – often to the point of committing suicide." And yet the effort to ignore the suicidal facts and teach even grade school children that transgender people are fulfilling their "true" selves continues. As Stella Morabito of The Federalist writes, "The [transgender] guy isn't allowed to talk about his regret. Not openly. The transgender lobby actively polices and suppresses discussion of sex-change regret." Some transgender patients have said they realized, too late, that sex change operations did not live up to their promise. Alan Finch explains, "You fundamentally can't change sex. ... The surgery doesn't alter you genetically. It's genital mutilation[.] ... It's all been a terrible misadventure[.] ... The analogy I use about giving surgery to someone desperate to change sex is it's a bit like offering liposuction to an anorexic." Tennis champion Renée Richards, who went from male to "female" in the '70s, wrote, "I would have been better off staying the way I was – a totally intact person[.] ... I don't want anyone to hold me out as an example to follow[.] ... I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation ... and I discourage them all." https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gender-confused-suicide-rate-ten-times-national-average

There is quite a bit of confusion where eschatology is concerned. Those who have put the words of Jesus into practice gain wisdom and know His voice. They won't be confused. I guess its your choice though to decide which tree to bark up. Blessings.

Question: "Can a person be born with the wrong gender?" Answer: We live in a confused and fallen world, and that confusion extends everywhere, so that even the most basic questions, like “what gender am I?” become difficult for some people to answer. Some people claim they were born as the wrong gender, or at least in the wrong body. A man may believe he is actually a female, but his soul is “stuck” in a male body. Such claims receive support from others who advocate a “gender-neutral” society. But those who view gender distinctions as nothing more than arbitrary labels or a “box” to be broken out of are actively rejecting God’s design in creation. Fundamental to our understanding of human sexuality is that God created two (and only two) genders. Currently, the world likes to consider gender (based on a social construct) as having nothing to do with sex (based on physicality), but the Bible makes no such distinctions. The Bible cuts through the world’s confusion simply: “Male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). All the modern-day speculation about multiple genders—or even a gender “continuum” with unlimited genders—is unbiblical. An individual may claim to be transgender or “gender-fluid,” but that doesn’t nullify God’s design and purpose in creating him or her. Children growing up in this confused world are bombarded with messages of confusion. Little boys are told they don’t have to be boys; girls are told they might not really be girls. Whatever they feel they are is what they are—boy, girl, or a mixture of the two. The world tells them it doesn’t matter. The confusion and ambiguity are reinforced in many ways: gender-neutral days at school, the banning of terms such as boys and girls in the classroom, the proliferation of unisex restrooms, curricula that promotes homosexual marriage, etc. It’s little wonder that some people grow up struggling with their sexual identity. But our Lord warned against leading children astray: “Jesus said to his disciples: ‘Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble’” (Luke 17:1–2). Some people today state that they have “felt like the opposite gender since they were children.” But how would one know that? To what are they comparing their feelings? How people feel is all they know, and, for each person, how he feels is “normal” for him. Any comparisons to other people’s feelings would only be an assumption. Some people may become convinced that they “felt like the opposite gender” at some point in their lives, but they don’t truly have a baseline comparison. Given enough conditioning, any one of us can be convinced that we identify more as the opposite gender. Too often, certain individuals are labeled as cross-gendered because of natural differences in mannerisms and responses, and those individuals “back-paint” the concept into their understanding of their childhood. But this reimagining of one’s childhood is different from wishing to be another gender. A person can wish he was the other gender for many reasons, but that doesn’t make it internally so. A parent can instill that desire in a child, or a child can observe benefits enjoyed by the other gender and desire them. The child can also desire to be seven feet tall, but it doesn’t change reality. The Bible says that God created “male and female” and He pronounced His creation “very good” (Genesis 1:27, 31). God’s plan was perfect, but, as with everything in mankind’s sphere, perfection was corrupted by sin. Sin brought anomalies, and we would be hard pressed to understand where the touch of this contamination ends in the creation. Could an anomaly sometimes occur in gender, physically or mentally? We acknowledge that a person can be born with a combination of male and female organs—although one’s true, biological sex can be determined through medical tests. This we know, that we are involved in a spiritual battle for our souls. The world seeks to conform us to its mold, which is why we must be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:1–2). Satan attempts to deceive us and urges us to question God’s plan. One of the devil’s ploys is to make us dissatisfied with how God made us. To some he whispers, “You’re fat and ugly.” To others, “You’re stupid and clumsy.” And to still others, “You look like a boy, but you’re really a girl.” In each case, the underlying message is the same: “God messed up on you.” This we also know, that the whole creation groans for release from the curse and damage of sin (Romans 8:20–22). The ruin wrought by sin is addressed through the redemption of Christ. Through salvation, Jesus Christ grants us forgiveness of sin, reverses the effect of our poor choices, and compensates for our brokenness. Each of us faces a different set of battles. Yet Christ sets us on the path to victory. Hebrews 12:1–2 states, “Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” The cross is key. Jesus pioneered our faith, and He will perfect it. His victory will be ours as well. Some may battle heterosexual temptation, greed, pride, anger, or any number of sins. Someone else may battle gender confusion. Regardless of the battle with sin and the devil’s lies, the question we must answer is, “Is Christ and His redemptive work sufficient for our battles?” Jesus definitely claims to be sufficient for any and all of our battles, and He desires to sanctify us through His Word of truth (John 17:17). As children of God, we should be content in this life (Philippians 4:11; 2 Corinthians 12:10). We realize that we all have limitations, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. But through Christ those limitations will not interfere with the plan God has for us to honor Him and serve Him. “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom” (Luke 12:32). If a person feels he or she has been born as the wrong gender, the answer is not gender-reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, cross-dressing, etc. Those are simply worldly ways of acquiescing to the devil’s lies. “Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth” (1 Corinthians 13:6). And God does not make mistakes. The one who feels he or she was born in the wrong body needs, first and foremost, to experience the transformative power of Christ. When we “participate in the divine nature,” we escape “the corruption in the world caused by evil desires” (2 Peter 1:4). https://gotquestions.org/born-wrong-gender.html

If the misunderstanding of the timing of the Rapture meant nothing, it wouldn't bother me, but it throws off all of scriptural understandings. One is correct, and the Holy Spirit tells us which one is correct. Jesus emphasizes being alert in both instances, to those awaiting the Rapture and to those awaiting the Second Coming. Not understanding which one Is correct leads to people confusing the Church and Israel as the same entity amongst many other things.

Jesus did away with the seventh day Sabbath. Rom. 14:5-6. Rom. 14:5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. V. 6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Gal. 4:9-10. Gal. 4:9, But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? V. 10, Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Coll. 2:14-17; Coll. 2:14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; V. 15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. V. 16, ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: V. 17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Paul wrote, But why dost thou judge they brother? or why dost thou set at nought they brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ . . . . So the every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more." If the law of Moses, including the fourth commandment, was in force in the new covenant the above statement would never have been written by Paul. Each Christian can do as he pleases concerning the Sabbath and is not to be judged by his brother "Any More." Christian experiences do not come by the law. "Receive ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?. . . .the law is not of faith: but. the man who doeth them [things of the law] shall live in them. . . . how turn ye AGAIN to the weak beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage?" (Gal. 1:6-9; 2:15-21; 3:1-12, 19-25; 4:1-3, 19-31; 5:1-9, 11-21). "Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years [that the law required]. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed labour upon you in vain" (Gal. 3:1-12; 4:9-11). Going back to observe Sabbaths according to the law is spoken of here as going back into the bondage of the law. If one does this he is a debtor to do the whole law (Gal. 5:3). The law was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED [Christ] SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made . . . But before faith came [that Christ brought in the gospel and the new covenant, Heb. 12:1, 2],we were kept under the law, shut up unto that faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . .Wherefor the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be justified by faith. BUT AFTER that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25). Not being under the law here is explained as being out from under its authority like one who is no longer under a schoolmaster when we graduate from school. The law is not in force and it has no claim or authority over the person under the new covenant. He is under the obligation to keep the new covenant laws and commandments, which include new laws that were never part of the old covenant, as well as those that God saw fit to make a part of the new covenant. The law, including the ten commandments, has been "CAST OUT"; "Tell me YE DESIRE TO BE UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law. For it is written that Abraham had TWO SONS. . . . he who was of the BONDWOMAN was born after the flesh; but he of the FREEWOMAN was by promise. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUNT SINAI, which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, is [Hagar]. . . .and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and IS IN BONDAGE with her children. But Jerusalem which is above IS FREE, which in the mother of us all. . . .Now we, brethren, as Isaac, are the children of promise. BUT AS EVEN SO IT IS NOW. Nevertheless what sayeth the Scripture? CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN [the first or old covenant FROM MOUNT SINAI] AND HER SON [those under the law]; for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then brethren, WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN [the old ten commandment covenant and its many laws], BUT OF THE FREE [the new covenant]. Stand fast therefor IN THE LIBERTY wherein Christ hath made us FREE, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN, WHITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE [the old covenant]. . . . For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [no man had any part in the old covenant unless he was circumcised], that he is a debtor TO DO THE WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 4:21-31; 5:1-5, 18).

Yeah, and post-tribbers say the same thing too. Belonging to one or the other rapture camps is meaningless. Whether one is true or not is irrelevant. God isn't concerned with anyone's view on the rapture, whether you think you have it figured out or not. He's concerned with our lifestyle worship. The whole rapture tiff is a major misdirection. Jesus emphasizes being ready and alert. Shouldn't we do the same?

Yeah, and post-tribbers say the same thing too. Belonging to one or the other rapture camps is meaningless. Whether one is true or not is irrelevant. God isn't concerned with anyone's view on the rapture, whether you think you have it figured out or not. He's concerned with our lifestyle worship. The whole rapture tiff is a major misdirection. Jesus emphasizes being ready and alert. Shouldn't we do the same?

I snipped out parts of your post to quote from. Notice the huge difference. Less than 5% for the nontransgender population and then 41% for the transgender population. That is a tremendous difference. The most important part of what jayne said is this:

I say that as if it is the truth, because it is the truth.

You say that as if it is in some way meaningful. What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’ Mark 13:37

Have a great day!

You do not understand because Elijah will turn Israel back unto God before the Day of the Lord comes, or Gods wrath which starts at the opening of the Seals and lasts through the Seventh Vial, if your understanding was true, then Israel would not be saved until Jesus came back. That is just not what the bible teaches. Again, no matter how many time you say or repeat this bogus claim, it is not going to become "TRUTH", The Rapture is spoken about by Paul, he clearly speaks of the Harpazo, snatching away, which is what Rapio in the Latin Vulgate means and is what Catching Away in the KJV means, Raptured away. You can repeat it all you want, but Harpazo, Rapio and Rapture all means to be snatched away or caught up. You keep repeating that though, even though it will not come true. Zechariah 12 is before the Day of Christ, because it is before the Abomination of Desolation, Elijah brings them back unto God before the Day of the Lord (Malachi 4:5-6). The Hills falling on "THEM" has nothing to do with Israel, that is Babylon or men of the world who Gods wrath is coming against, Israel will be in the Wilderness being protected by God for 1260 Days, and nurtured/fed by God also. They will not be catching Gods wrath if He is protecting them, AFTER THE MID-POINT which is after the Abomination of Desolation which IS THE MID POINT......it doesn't add up man. Israel turns back to God before the Abomination of Desolation, that is why they are protected BY GOD. I think the passage in Luke is speaking about the GREEN which means alive, sappy fresh tree as apposed to what the Romans were going to do in the DRY/PARCHED/ARID Times or in the hard times. In other words there was to come a time shortly that Israel would be driven to all nations of the world for their disobedience. Those same people who rejected Jesus, would be wailing about their circumstances. Can't be true, Rev. 20:4 says the Resurrection of the dead is 1000 years later.

Depends on where in Paul's Epistles you refer to. Paul taught the believers of the seed of Israel and the believing Gentiles are 'one' in Christ Jesus, one body. Paul also showed how the unbelievers of the seed of Israel are only graffed back into their own olive tree when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, which will only be on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. So as of right now, it is Christ's Church that is holder of most all of God's Promises to Israel (Ephesians 2, Paul's "commonwealth of Israel" idea). The unbelieving Jews only have certain Promises still in effect today. (They lost the throne of David in Jerusalem, they do not have the greatest military nor do they rule the gates of their enemies in the world, they don't have the major blessings of good lands living peacefully without walls, the majority of the seed is still not returned, etc.)

No, which is why Jesus is coming to marry Jerusalem, and not the "children of the bridechamber": Matt 9:15 15 And Jesus said unto them, "Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast." KJV

I provided the proof in my first reply to this thread, about Revelation 19, the one you guys stayed away from discussing because it has you cornered. there is zero doubt about there Church being Raptured to Heaven before the Day of the Lord (Gods Period of Wrath). You just have to read the scriptures God has give us. There is no proof of a post trib rapture because it doesn't exist. There is only a lot of misconceptions by post tribbers.

Exactly, just like YOM in Genesis one means a "Period of Time", and the first Day was like 9.2 Billion years..........SMILE

Per John 5:28-29, BOTH the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation happen on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. And that is Jesus speaking. I trust His Word over yours and your common mistake idea you got from men's doctrines that work against Christ.

Blessings BroZach I am so glad you liked it,I really enjoyed it myself These Scriptures are so so so important & often just ignored because like you were once ignorant (me too) many are blinded & do not see that the message is for the BELIEVER With love-in Christ,Kwik

Okay Sis,I'm in!!!" OH but I don't wanna wear a rubber band ,,,,whine whine whine..lol,just kidding!

Not only would we not be dealing with Iran, we would not be dealing with ISIS, ISIS is the direct result of Bush II taking out Saddam.

Bush took out Saddam insane and in doing that took out the hedge that kept Iran in it's place. Iraq was the only country who had made war with Iran in the inervening years between the hostage crisis and today. I don't think we would need to deal with Iran if Saddam was still in power.

Me too. I really did not mind Bush.

Proof in the Bible about a pre-trib rapture ___NO____ Proof in the Bible about a post-trib rapture ___YES ____ It really is that simple !!!!

And Rapture comes from Harpazo............

Yes, we may be seeing some of the stepping stones leading up the the tribulation.

Yep! But we can see the events leading up to it most likely?

The black horse.The 3rd Horse of the Apocalypse in the book of Revelation which represents a great famine. This is future. We do not know how it will play out until it happens. Revelation 6:5-6 Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth 5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

I do believe you're onto something here. In addition to the Obamacare health act, we are insolvent and bankrupt with at least 100 trillion (that's with a 'T') in unfunded entitlements coming due. We can barely pay the interest on the debt we have. Legally speaking, every citizen of the United States owns that debt, not the government. And who owns our debt exactly and how would they collect that massive debt "when" not if, we go belly up? It's interesting to ponder. Man has crossed the threshold or firewall if you will, of God's creation of separation of species and boundaries in plant and animal, genetically tampering in places that He has forbidden. Being the consumate conspiracy theorist that I am, I suspect in addition to your post, something will go horribly wrong with the majority or all of the GMO food plants produced today we depend on. All GMO seeds are grievously restricted and patented by Monsanto and other conglomerates controlling the food industry. I suspect there is a gross shortage of organic / heirloom seeds because Monsanto fought vigorously to replace them with GMO, and basically forced farmers to switch to their product by incentive and the force of law. There's a lot of scenarios that could play out, but at this moment in history and barring direct intervention by God Himself, it's logical to assume this path could very well play out on its own. Like you stated, food is essential for survival, those who control the food control mankind and will bring it to its knees and bend people to their wills.

Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps I have watched this documentary a while back and very interesting and well put together. Everyone should see this. The beast system of draconian measures can be introduced at anytime as the computer systems control about everything we do for commerce and trade today. Food prices have increased by hundreds of percent with some goods in the last few years and the GMO products are being forced on the population at large or at least the lower wage earners. From work today, just popped into a sport store to see buy a running T shirt and shorts, you cannot get anything decent for less that fifty dollars. A nike shorts can run you a hundred dollars. You may have to go to a thrift shop to get bargain price items. Yes the screws are tightening and the buy and sell function is getting closer to biblical revelation mark of the beast scenario. Negative interest rates are becoming the norm as the system is forcing you to go to the stock market to take your chances of keeping your wealth or to get wealthier. Days are gone or closing on put your money in the financial system for without risk returns , like Gic, bonds ect. Those are there, but worth nothing and inflation eats away at your savings doing nothing. Is a 2008 around the corner, as some seem to think ?, who knows. Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps can be seen on youtube. Just type the the above on the youtube search box and scroll down till you see the one for 57. minutes.

Dear brothers and sisters in the Lord, I have been reading several threads dealing with the 'trinity' and 'oneness' and I thought I might assist in trying to explain the Godhead. The word 'z'roah' in Hebrew means ARM. Think of your ARM. Your arm is attached to your body, is part of your body, yet will not do anything independently of your head. It always follows what your mind tells it. It works in conjunction with your head, yet at the same time is a distinct part of the body. With that being said, let's dive into the scriptures. Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. Think about it -- God made bare HIS Z'ROAH! Isaiah 63:5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. Isaiah 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. Because there was no one to intercede, God's Z'ROAH brought salvation unto himself and the Z'ROAH's righteousness sustained Him! Isaiah 51:9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon? The Z'ROAH of the Lord wounded the dragon! Isaiah 51:5 My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust. The Z'ROAH of the Lord shall judge the people! Isaiah 40:10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. The Z'ROAH of the LORD shall RULE for HIM and with HIM comes His reward! Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? Isaiah 53 is the famous passage describing why Jesus had to suffer! Has the Z'ROAH of the Lord been revealed to you? Your brother in Messiah with much agape love, George

Some more scriptures -- Jeremiah 27:4-5 And command them to say unto their masters, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters; I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee: The Z'ROAH of the Lord was an integral part of creation! Your brother in Messiah with much agape love, George