Pre-Tribulation Proofs

[JoeCanada]

23 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

 

Those killed will be raised at the end of the of the 70th week 

 

 

Hi Daniel 11:36

How does this statement that you made fit will your pre-tribulation view? 

If you are saying that the end of the 70th week is when the Resurrection happens, but in your pre-trib view the Rapture happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation, then how does the teaching of Jesus in 2Thes 4:16-17 line up with your view?......that the Resurrection/Rapture is a simultaneous event

 

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Daniel 11:36]

simple .... the pre-tribulation rapture will occur just before the 70th week begins [Romans 11:25]

There will be some going into the tribulation period who will become believers during the period, and those who are killed will be resurrected at the end of the period 

[Diaste]

2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

simple .... the pre-tribulation rapture will occur just before the 70th week begins [Romans 11:25]

There will be some going into the tribulation period who will become believers during the period, and those who are killed will be resurrected at the end of the period 

Not possible. Believers would then face the wrath of God; exactly what you are getting raptured away from. How come some get to escape Gods wrath but others don't? No believer is appointed to wrath. So either the scriptures are wrong, or you are.

[Daniel 11:36]

"Not possible. Believers would then face the wrath of God; exactly what you are getting raptured away from"

 

No believer will face the Lord's wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]

So if you say you believe and do not you will either die in unbelief or you will enter the tribulation period as an unbeliever

You either believe, or you do not even though you say you do

If you genuinely believe you will either die or exist at the time of the rapture

In either case both will be snatched "caught up'' together just before the tribulation period begins

Those who become believers and die during the tribulation period will be resurrected at the end of the tribulation period

Those that believe and live to the end of the tribulation period will enter the the Lord's millennial kingdom as mortals

I will no longer answer your postings at this juncture because you are teaching falsehood

 

Edited May 9, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[JoeCanada]

7 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

simple .... the pre-tribulation rapture will occur just before the 70th week begins [Romans 11:25]

There will be some going into the tribulation period who will become believers during the period, and those who are killed will be resurrected at the end of the period 

Hi Daniel 11:36

So can you provide a scripture....any scripture........ that shows a 7 year gap between the Resurrection and the Rapture?

Seems like you have the Rapture happening FIRST, then 7 years later, the Resurrection.

Yet Jesus taught that the ...."dead in Christ will rise FIRST, then we which are alive and remain will be caught up TOGETHER with them in the air......"

Scripture teaches that the Resurrection - Rapture happen at the same time.

[Daniel 11:36]

You are failing to see the event of the Lord's coming for the pre-tribualation rapture .... and the event for those who will repent and turn to the Lord during the tribulation period

There is no need for us to continue with this discussion, so you will have to argue your case with someone else  

Edited May 10, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[Diaste]

11 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

No believer will face the Lord's wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]

This is true. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."

So how then would any person come to believe in the time of God's wrath:

11 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Those that believe and live to the end of the tribulation period will enter the the Lord's millennial kingdom as mortals

And then have to endure the wrath of God to the end, when 1 Thess 5:9 is a true statement?

11 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

I will no longer answer your postings at this juncture because you are teaching falsehood

Am I? 

[Last Daze]

16 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

No believer will face the Lord's wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]

Judgment is not the same as wrath.  Wrath is anger.  A judgment is a determination, usually with punitive connotations. 

God's corrective discipline results from His judging our behavior as sinful.  Are we exempt from His corrective discipline as well?  Does not God judge His own house first?

[JoeCanada]

16 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

You are failing to see the event of the Lord's coming for the pre-tribualation rapture .... and the event for those who will repent and turn to the Lord during the tribulation period

There is no need for us to continue with this discussion, so you will have to argue your case with someone else  

Hi Daniel 11:36....

In the spirit of brotherly love, let us continue to engage in a discussion that will lead us to the truth. Iron sharpens iron.

"Perhaps"......... I am wrong. If that would be the case, then I would acknowledge it. No problem.

Scripture tells us that Gods' WORD is TRUTH...... 2Tim 3:16 tells us that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness.

So let us stick to the scriptures only. If there needs to be interpretation, then let scripture interpret scripture. 

You said...."You are failing to see the event of the Lord's coming for the pretribulation rapture"

I take it that you are referring to 1Thes 4:15........"For this we say to you by the WORD of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep"..........(  is this the event of the Lord's coming that you are talking about? )

verse 16....."For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with  the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST....."

So I'll be honest with you.

Yes, I DO FAIL TO SEE the event which you are talking about, that of the Lord's coming for the pre-trib rapture. Because Paul is clearly telling us that the "Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST"

Well, maybe there are other scriptures that talk about a pre-trib rapture. 

Do you know of any?

 

 

 

 

[Daniel 11:36]

"Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST"

 

And those who are alive shall be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air

All of this shall happen in and instant .... in the twinkling  of an eye [1st Corinthians 15:51-58; 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18]

This is the pre tribulation rapture [Revelation 3:10]