Happinessity Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 260 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 188 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 22 hours ago, worthy said: Ok I understand,but why choose women pastors? We all know its a huge topic of debate. Good point. Interesting that a topic of misogyny has a man introducing the topic of women being unfit to pastor due to their gender. That's not misogyny necessarily though misogyny can be a component on an individual basis. It is however, a gender prejudice. Especially when neither Jesus nor God said that women would never be called by God to serve as pastors. The text that gender prejudice typically uses to defend itself is where Paul made remarks about women remaining quiet in church. That has nothing to do with pastoral duties. Further, it would be absurd to invoke Paul as articulating gender prejudice under guidance from God's holy spirit, when it is also believed under guidance from God's holy spirit Paul said there is no Greek, nor Jew, nor any other thing that separates us because we are all one in Christ Jesus. That declaration would be erroneous if it was to be inferred to sustain gender prejudice by saying instead, "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. But you are segregated by gender if women think to preach because they can't. Because they're women!" Which is what gender prejudice attempts to promote of itself when making that stipulation against the oneness of all faithful in Christ. It just doesn't comport with the truth of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 22 hours ago, creativemechanic said: Let's not take it there. Apple's and oranges You are the one who asked the question and then when someone answers, you don't like it, so you dismiss it as being irrelevant. Interesting. Did you have any personal motive for asking this question? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, Happinessity said: Good point. Interesting that a topic of misogyny has a man introducing the topic of women being unfit to pastor due to their gender. That's not misogyny necessarily though misogyny can be a component on an individual basis. It is however, a gender prejudice. Especially when neither Jesus nor God said that women would never be called by God to serve as pastors. The text that gender prejudice typically uses to defend itself is where Paul made remarks about women remaining quiet in church. That has nothing to do with pastoral duties. Further, it would be absurd to invoke Paul as articulating gender prejudice under guidance from God's holy spirit, when it is also believed under guidance from God's holy spirit Paul said there is no Greek, nor Jew, nor any other thing that separates us because we are all one in Christ Jesus. That declaration would be erroneous if it was to be inferred to sustain gender prejudice by saying instead, "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. But you are segregated by gender if women think to preach because they can't. Because they're women!" Which is what gender prejudice attempts to promote of itself when making that stipulation against the oneness of all faithful in Christ. It just doesn't comport with the truth of Christ. Well thought out words my brother or sister. I have taken it a step beyond by questioning how much weight do you give to LETTERS giving instructions to a specific church in a specific culture in a specific time? I agree...we must look at the TOTALITY of the scriptures and then decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 20 hours ago, missmuffet said: How should men treat women? As equals....as one in Christ with every man. And of course, husbands should be willing to die for their wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 19 hours ago, OneLight said: I am sure nobody is saying women cannot server in war or the military. The question I have heard is what position would they serve best in. Look to the nation of Israel for some answers here. How do you think the Israelis do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 53 minutes ago, Happinessity said: No, I'm calling the people who think to interpolate the scriptures to say women can't be called to service by God, when scriptures show that is not the case, naive, ignorant, and arrogant. And prideful thinking their ego's know more than does God. As if God would deliver the message that we're all one in Christ and then say, but because we're women he'd never see us fit to preach his word. Speaking for God in a way that denotes prejudice is far worse than naive. You realize this, don't you? Can you show me where anyone on this site ever said that women cannot be called into service by God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 21 minutes ago, Spock said: Look to the nation of Israel for some answers here. How do you think the Israelis do it? I am speaking of the US military when I posted, as that was what the question derived from. There are many other nations who place women in heavy combat, we all know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinessity Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 260 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 188 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, OneLight said: Can you show me where anyone on this site ever said that women cannot be called into service by God? For some reason the search page of over 1,100 results won't post the full link so that I can cut and paste. But if you search all forum for "women pastors" you'll find plenty of posts.I posted a copy of the first search page being the link to search results doesn't show in the browser window. misogyny Happinessity replied to creativemechanic's topic in General Discussion ...Interesting that a topic of misogyny has a man introducing the topic ofwomen being unfit to pastor due to their gender. That's not misogyny necessarily though misogyny can be a component on an individual basis. It is however, a gender prejudice. Especially when neither Jesus nor God said that wome... 48 minutes ago 47 replies 1 Why I Do Not Believe in Any of Today's "End Times" Prophesy Badjao33 posted a topic in Eschatology I am new here and after reading through many threads, I know in advance that I am going to be in the minority with the following point of view. Of course I didn't read each and every thread, so maybe there are some others here that believe the same as I do. For a little back ground, I was once... May 4 74 replies 1 misogyny Wolf Bridges replied to creativemechanic's topic in General Discussion ...People can say that claimingwomen aren't fit for thepastors seat, an example from this thread, is misogyny. When that can be the underlying motive in someone who says that, it isn't actually what the embodies the meaning of the word misogyny itself. 22 hours ago 47 replies 1 misogyny worthy replied to creativemechanic's topic in General Discussion ...but why choosewomenpastors? We all know its a huge topic of debate. 23 hours ago 47 replies 1 Parasha "Emor" (say) LEV 21:1-24:23 Jacob Ben Avraham posted a topic in Understanding Hebrew Roots ...pastors, rabbis, evangelists, etc. The Sabbath day was NEVER changed to Sunday. Not that it was bad to come together on Sundays, any day of the week is a good time to come together. It just became customary for the believers in the first century to come together on the “first day of the week” like... Saturday at 06:17 PM 1 reply 1 holiness of the levitical priesthood Things only Christianwomen hear Davida replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion How many threads has this been debated in?? you know what I will say to you, we've done this dance before. Take it up with the Word of God if you disagree. I'm too tired to take time to type words that are just a repeat from other threads & it will just be ignored by those that will make excuses to... April 29 123 replies Things only Christianwomen hear Fidei Defensor replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion My thoughts onwomen's role in the Church, from my Blog: "WarriorWomen: The Role ofWomen in the Church There is a major move in Church, withwomen now leading and preaching. There are warriorwomen who want to pray and preach. There are some resisting this, taking Paul's words out... April 30 123 replies 2 Things only Christianwomen hear daughterofGrace replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion ...Since the subordination ofwomen was part of the curse, we no longer have to live with that set-up today. In fact, if we do, we are not honouring Christ and his work on the cross. So why is it that many churches persist in treatingwomen like second-class citizens? I think it has to do with... April 30 123 replies 3 Things only Christianwomen hear Davida replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion Ifwomen were to have the Exact same role as a men as far as Teaching , Pastoring then why then didn't Jesus pick 6women to be His disciples? Why not 2 or 1 even? The Jewish culture at the time would not have held Him back if that was HIS desire, for He is the Son of God, Jesus could have appointe... April 27 123 replies 3 ShouldWomen Be In Leadership Positions in Church? JohnD replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A In another thread I wrote in response to one who found themselves resentingpastors... ---------------------------------------- Well... You probably need to go into ministry. You see, Christianity has been hijacked by the Roman Empire (which morphed into Roman Catholicis... April 26 24 replies 3 ShouldWomen Be In Leadership Positions in Church? Willa replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A I agree thatwomen can teach young boys, girls andwomen. We have male leaders for middle and high school, and it is needed because middle school boys can be disruptive. The boys need a male example at this time, and many don't have one at home. I think a couple in leadership is optimal. S... April 26 24 replies 1 Things only Christianwomen hear lemurchampagne replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion ...Women had a very subservient role in the time of Christ. Jesus flew in the face of that and hadwomen in his company of Apostles. Thewomen traveled with him , thewomen were at the foot of the cross when he died. Andwomen carried forth the ministry after he departed. Pastor doesn't appear i... April 27 123 replies 2 "Women"Pastors, .... you say? Behold posted a topic in General Discussion ...do you have your point of view about "womenPastors"? im aware of Paul's scriptures about "" teachers, bishops, and "silence in the church" just like you are, but, what is your POV about it, as everyone has one, ive noticed. MIne is......just as soon as a woman can become the "Husband of... August 25, 2016 531 replies 2 Things only Christianwomen hear lemurchampagne replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion ...The argument that Paul is speaking of allwomen is a misunderstanding of scripture and culture of the time. Paul was speaking to one church, not the universal church. It doesn't follow that Paul would say that we are all one in Christ and there is no division. And then later create division b... April 30 123 replies 2 Why is speaking in tounges controversal? Spock replied to Heavenunlimited's topic in General Discussion ...but on another thread you basically said PAUL doesn't allow forwomen to bepastors (even though Jesus did not say they couldn't be), and then here you say Jesus never spoke in tongues, so why should we? Although Paul did speak in tongues, and even encouraged people to seek the gift. Correct... April 24 61 replies 2 Things only Christianwomen hear nebula replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion ...it could be argued that thewomen who followed Him were disciples as well. 2. Where does the Bible saywomen are not to be "pastors"? Put the word "pastor" in a Bible search, and let me know how many times you even see the word "pastor" and what these verses imply is the job of a pastor!... April 29 123 replies 2 Things only Christianwomen hear shiloh357 replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion ...In that sensewomen could be included as disciples. But Jesus chose 12 men to the leaders of the Church, to be Apostles. We have no record of the female disciples every starting churches or in any kind of leadership such as pastor. We have no records of sermons preached by female disciples of J... April 29 123 replies Why is speaking in tounges controversal? Riccardo replied to Heavenunlimited's topic in General Discussion ...As forwomenpastors once again don't read into something that Jesus did not say as an affirmative. How big would the Bible have to be if that were the case. God Bless brother May 4 61 replies 1 THE MODESTY DEBATE Neighbor replied to creativemechanic's topic in General Discussion ...I found one of thepastors who was in the church and asked him if it was appropriate for me to wear t shirt and shorts, like he was wearing. He confirmed that it was. I felt better about myself. Modesty, excessive concern about it only leads to individuals eventually wantingwomen conf... May 3 408 replies 2 What does the bible says aboutwomenpastors? Your Brother In Christ posted a question in Worthy Q & A What does the bible says aboutwomenpastors? February 1 21 replies women pastors (and 2 more) can women be pastors CanWomen BePastors? Your Brother In Christ posted a topic in Biblical Topics February 4 women pastors (and 2 more) ShouldWomen Be In Leadership Positions in Church? RustyAngeL replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A ...women are not to be over men in the church. There are many wonderful teachers that arewomen. I have no problem with that. However to be leaders, such aspastors, deacons.... NO. April 27 24 replies 2 ShouldWomen Be In Leadership Positions in Church? JohnD replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A ...I believe the Bible interprets it thatwomen can teach otherwomen and children of both genders (til the males reach adulthood). But that's when there is not a drastic shortage of malepastors / teachers. My point and premise is that we in the Body Christian are all priests of God but we:... April 26 24 replies Things only Christianwomen hear lemurchampagne replied to nebula's topic in General Discussion ...I would caution though that you not attempt to take your opinion that is against God's calling ofwomenpastors and make remarks that present your point of view as one of intolerance and entitlement to judge the whole of the faith and those in service to. Because they are female and in positions of... April 28 123 replies 1 ShouldWomen Be In Leadership Positions in Church? missmuffet replied to Annette's question in Worthy Q & A The Bible tells us thatwomen should not bePastors. Although they can take a teaching roll in the Church. 1 Timothy 2:11-14 April 26 24 replies 1 Edited May 15, 2017 by Happinessity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Davida said: Misogyny is hatred for women. Is that the correct label? I thought we decided to use this definition that Happiness gave: 1.hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women. It is more than just hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted May 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Davida said: What is labelling others as naïve, ignorant and arrogant called? What do you call Catholics who believe in Mary worship and all those other Catholic doctrines you and I are both opposed to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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