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    • You're way out of bounds here, friend.  This post does not promote the pre-trib rapture. Cheers
    • If I thought you really wanted to learn, then I would be happy to answer. But I saw how you put down another poster and it looked more like entrapment than a civil discussion. Sorry, but I'm not interested in being told something went over my head or I've been snookered.
    • Hey wingnut, My next post will be on another parable.  Regarding every man in his own order, I have yet to find a translation that makes it that clear.  We could assume that everyone will be changed at the same time, but I don't think every believer will be changed at once, only those who are ready when He comes.  The martyrs will then have to go thru the hour of trial before they will be rewarded.  Rev. 14:13 says their deeds or works (reward) follow them.  Then those who fall away will not see a change, as they will have disqualified themselves before Christ even appears. One thing I've noticed about Matt. 24 & 25, Christ did not mention anything about the dead, as He was only explaining the sign of His coming for those who would be alive to see it.  Some believe the judgment of the sheep and goats is the great white throne after the millennium.  But the problem with that is that there is no mention of a resurrection whatsoever.  As I said in my book, which I didn't cover here, was that Christ was actually increasing the knowledge that Daniel was promised.  In Daniel 12, his prophecy began with a time of trouble (great trib.) not seen since there was a nation.  Then he was told about the resurrection just before he was told to shut up the words and seal the book...  He was not permitted to know anything pertaining to the rapture of the living at that time, but it was revealed in the New Testament (Increase of knowledge).  So when we add them together, Daniel revealed the resurrection of the dead, while Christ and Paul revealed the rapture of the living.   There will be only two types of saint that will be living when He comes, those who are ready will go in the rapture (they will be changed at the same time), and then the martyrs, whose souls will be seen under the altar afterward, which will end the first resurrection (Rev. 6:9-11, 20:4). Cheers  
    • fixerupper I am not insinuating anything. The verses I quoted actually do imply that Jesus and God the Father are one in the same. It's ok that you don't see it. Lot's of people don't see it either because they choose not to. The JW's and mormons do the same thing. I am going to place these final thoughts out there. First if Jesus is not fully God then what part of God does He not have? Can you show me from scripture what attributes of God Jesus does not possess? I would say that you will have a hard time finding anything. Second if Jesus was not fully God as you claim then how can I trust in what He did on the cross. Was there a part where he maybe sinned at some point because of the fact that He isn't God. I mean if God cannot sin did Jesus set this part of his Godhood aside? If so did He sin and thus make his death meaningless? See fixerupper when you remove the fact that Jesus is fully and 100% God our salvation could be a sham and Jesus Christ would be nothing more than a good man that did good things. Fixerupper I have this feeling that instead of really looking at the scriptures as they are written and applied you have a quick defense set up to deny something that you really can't deny. Those verses, and there are so many more, show that Jesus is fully God and that God himself indicates this. Since I have read some of your other responses and how they are more attacking than debating I will end my discussion here. 
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