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    • If someone studies from a Theocentric perspective, it should also include Christology.  If they just study Christology, which there are Jesus only groups, this would ignore the Father and the Holy Spirit, wouldn't it?
    • There you go. Some approach Scripture from a theocentric (God centered) perspective and some from a Christocentric (Christ centered) perspective. As an example the Calvinists tend to the former and the Lutherans with the latter.
    • Yes, the "commonwealth of Israel" idea is about a commonwealth of nations attached to God's Israel. That is how it outlaid in the OT prophecies for the future, like the end of Isaiah 19. Too many brethren don't understand that the name Israel represents God's Salvation, as it is tied to both God's Birthright blessings, and directly to The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The name means to overcome with God's help. Now in Europe in John Darby's time who created the Dispensationalist ideas, there apparently was still a lot of hatred against the orthodox Jews who still rejected Christ Jesus. Many countries in old Europe treated them as enemies, and barred them entry into their nations, so many of them became vagabonds, going from one European nation to another. Martin Luther showed a great hatred of the unbelieving Jews, which I think that's where a lot of that comes from. Nevertheless, the European Christian nations told the unbelieving Jews to convert to Jesus or get out. That hatred apparently carried over a lot in Darby's generation, because his Dispensational idea about Israel being 'left-behind', and then by themselves having a nation on earth while Christ's Church is in Heaven ruling over them is actually a self-agrandizement over them, and nowhere is any such idea like that written in God's Word.  
    • Yes, the Scripture is clear enough, IF... it is actually read thoroughly. I've already covered it in a previous post line upon line to show it is a future forward view after Christ's return, just like the Rev.7 view of the "great multitude" which the pre-trib rapture doctors ALSO grossly misinterpret to a rapture.  
    • It is amazing Biblical IGNORANCE to think that the children of Israel are all unbelievers on Christ, which is essentially what your pre-trib rapture doctrines are saying right there in your post! You should automatically know those kind of ideas are false, and do not align with God's Holy Writ! And I'll remind you to be very 'careful' on the ground you're treading, with attacking me personally, saying I have no hope, etc. The majority of the Christian Churches in the western Christian nations are likely made up of a majority of the children of Israel! Have you not ever considered the Genesis 35 and Genesis 48 prophecies about Israel becoming "a company of nations"??? No, of course not, because teaching REAL Bible history is against what the false Pre-trib Rapture doctors want to do. And did you MISS counting the believing JEWS that were present at Pentecost??? Acts 2:5
      5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
      KJV   Acts 2:9-11
      9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
      KJV   I really think you ought take your hatred of Jews and Israel somewhere else. The attempt to create an all Gentile only Church is a sick idea those of the likes of Darby created to deceive with.
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