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Love Yourself?

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Heard a message today that got me thinking about a few things. This is one of them. We've heard messages about loving others, but what about loving yourself?

Jesus said:

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. -- Matthew 22:35-40


What does the biblical love of self that Jesus is talking about look like? He's not talking about being conceited or "stuck on yourself" here, but about something else.

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Would you feed yourself if you are hungry, or would you turn away from the hunger you feel and not give your body food? If you are cold, would you put on warmer clothes, or would you allow yourself to shiver? When you are tired, would you force yourself to sleep outside in the cold, or would you ensure you have a warm place to sleep?

I see this as treat others as well as you treat yourself. If you have the means to help others, then do so as He leads. His Spirit will guide you in this matter. I know He has done so with me. There is no greater feeling then being used by Christ to accomplish His will.

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Ran across this thread while searching for something else and thought it might make a good discussion. The question still stands.

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Different take: What is there to love? "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing". The doctrine in the word of God is that of self-denial,

"...If any man will come after me, let him deny himself",
"...first shall be last; and the last shall be first."
"And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." Doesn't sound like self-love to me.

May be a wrong interpretation of scripture on my part, but it is a different view.

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How can you begin to Love others if you don't start from a foundation of Loving yourself? In a completely scriptural way, I mean.

The world has twisted loving oneself to mean pride, arrogance etc, and this is true of a lot of people, and I think in every one of us there is a vestige of this.

However, if we have the Spirit living within us, that is the Love we should feel. For ourselves and others.

It's not about being humble or denying oneself. One can be humble and Love oneself. Matter of fact it is probably a prerequisite.

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I hear what your saying, Fez, but in my mind, to love you need another person, anyway, signing out for tonight.

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How can you begin to Love others if you don't start from a foundation of Loving yourself? In a completely scriptural way, I mean.

The world has twisted loving oneself to mean pride, arrogance etc, and this is true of a lot of people, and I think in every one of us there is a vestige of this.

However, if we have the Spirit living within us, that is the Love we should feel. For ourselves and others.

It's not about being humble or denying oneself. One can be humble and Love oneself. Matter of fact it is probably a prerequisite.


Yep. Its like that old saying about not being able to give something you don't have.

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I hear what your saying, Fez, but in my mind, to love you need another person, anyway, signing out for tonight.

I understand your viewpoint, but let me ask you, do you think a person can love others while hating themselves? I know many people who don't love themselves and it manifests in their daily walk, Christian or not? (remember I am not talking about self pride here, I am talking about self love)

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39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

I always thought of self love as a negative thing. Here I see that I've had a wrong view of it. Thank you for this, Walla.

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The word used there in the Greek is Agapao not Eros and not Phileo.

Here's the translation;

25. agapao

agapaw agapao ag-ap-ah'-o

perhaps from agan (much) (or compare 5689); to love (in a social or moral sense):--(be-)love(-ed). Compare 5368.


Husbands are admonished to Love their wives in the same way. That is because to Love one's wife is to Love ones own flesh.

Ge 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

You are to Love your neighbor as if they were your own flesh. You are to do this in a moral sense.

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walla and Choe, nailed it, I just didn't have my ears on, "as you love yourself", "love your wife even as you love yourself".

I concede you all are right.

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As someone who has been struggling with self-hatred, the Lord recently showed me that "my flesh" is not me. Hating my flesh, my sin, my sin nature, is not hating myself. Even more, you can and should hate your flesh without hating yourself.

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As someone who has been struggling with self-hatred, the Lord recently showed me that "my flesh" is not me. Hating my flesh, my sin, my sin nature, is not hating myself. Even more, you can and should hate your flesh without hating yourself.


Wow, this is something else that is a revelation to me as well. Thank you for sharing this.

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I'm in agreement with Fez here. To love others, you must first love yourself. But not the pridefull, egotistical, arrogant love. That's not what Jesus means. But in the USA anyway, self love means getting everything you want for yourself, and who cares about the other guy., Where I live, to show concern for the other guy is seen as either being foolish, or you're seeen as a 1 in a million type of person. I've had several people tell me that if everyone was like this, what a wonderful world it would be. To that I usually say then let's do it. You can't just sit back and wait for everyone else to do it. We all have to do it.

I tell this to anyone whenever I get the chance. I hope it will sink in on some people.

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As someone who has been struggling with self-hatred, the Lord recently showed me that "my flesh" is not me. Hating my flesh, my sin, my sin nature, is not hating myself. Even more, you can and should hate your flesh without hating yourself.


Sis, wouldn't that be the nature of your flesh?

I would add that the scripture in question is speaking of taking care of and loving yourself in a moral sense. Much like Onelight has posted. Doesn't God want us to take precautions like exercising to stay healthy, or covering our nakedness to stay warm, or feeding our body's so that we do not starve?

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walla and Chloe nailed it,


BTW, off topic I know but, I love your little Pharoah and Moses. :b:

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As someone who has been struggling with self-hatred, the Lord recently showed me that "my flesh" is not me. Hating my flesh, my sin, my sin nature, is not hating myself. Even more, you can and should hate your flesh without hating yourself.


Sis, wouldn't that be the nature of your flesh?

I don't quite understand what you are getting at Nebula? I think I see where you are going with the flesh thing, but as Matthitjah says, is it not one and the same thing?

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We can not divorce man from his sins.

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

BTW, off topic I know but, I love your little Pharoah and Moses. :b:

I wonder how long it would take for someone to say something, they are actually toys. :rofl:


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As someone who has been struggling with self-hatred, the Lord recently showed me that "my flesh" is not me. Hating my flesh, my sin, my sin nature, is not hating myself. Even more, you can and should hate your flesh without hating yourself.

Sis, wouldn't that be the nature of your flesh?

I don't quite understand what you are getting at Nebula? I think I see where you are going with the flesh thing, but as Matthitjah says, is it not one and the same thing?


I am not understanding what you are confused about.

Maybe you are not understanding self-hatred? I hate myself because I speak my mind and discover my words hurt someone. I hate myself because I respond in judgment rather than grace. I hate myself because I don't love as Jesus loved, and in many ways still don't know how to. I hate myself because I'm a louse. I hate myself because I keep messing up. I hate myself because . . . .


Now, can I truly be patient with someone else when I can't be patient with myself?

Can I show grace to another where I can't show grace to myself?

We may appear as if we are extending grace and forgiveness, but the truth is that we are doormats allowing people to plow over us and resentment is growing in us like mildew in the forgotten parts of the basement.


So what the Lord showed me was that I need to hate what is the "flesh" that needs to be overcome without seeing myself as "the flesh" - view the flesh as a parasite or a virus rather than a part of me.

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As someone who has been struggling with self-hatred, the Lord recently showed me that "my flesh" is not me. Hating my flesh, my sin, my sin nature, is not hating myself. Even more, you can and should hate your flesh without hating yourself.

Sis, wouldn't that be the nature of your flesh?

I don't quite understand what you are getting at Nebula? I think I see where you are going with the flesh thing, but as Matthitjah says, is it not one and the same thing?


I am not understanding what you are confused about.

Maybe you are not understanding self-hatred? I hate myself because I speak my mind and discover my words hurt someone. I hate myself because I respond in judgment rather than grace. I hate myself because I don't love as Jesus loved, and in many ways still don't know how to. I hate myself because I'm a louse. I hate myself because I keep messing up. I hate myself because . . . .


Now, can I truly be patient with someone else when I can't be patient with myself?

Can I show grace to another where I can't show grace to myself?

We may appear as if we are extending grace and forgiveness, but the truth is that we are doormats allowing people to plow over us and resentment is growing in us like mildew in the forgotten parts of the basement.


So what the Lord showed me was that I need to hate what is the "flesh" that needs to be overcome without seeing myself as "the flesh" - view the flesh as a parasite or a virus rather than a part of me.

Neb, I think that that is one of the most profound and deeply personal post you have ever written, that I know about. Thank you for it.




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