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How Obama Engineered Mideast Radicalization [includes timeline]

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How Obama Engineered Mideast Radicalization [includes timeline]
Unknown - Investor's Business Daily, July 19th, 2012

The Obama Record: After angry Egyptians pelted her motorcade with shoes, chanting “Leave!,” Secretary of State Clinton insisted the U.S. wasn't there to take sides. Too late.

'I want to be clear that the United States is not in the business, in Egypt, of choosing winners and losers, even if we could, which of course we cannot,” Hillary Clinton intoned earlier this week.

Of course, the administration could, and it did, picking and even colluding with the Muslim Brotherhood. And one of its hard-liners, Mohammed Morsi, now sits in the presidential palace, where he refused to shake unveiled Clinton's hand.

This administration favored Islamists over secularists and helped them overthrow Hosni Mubarak, the reliable U.S. ally who had outlawed the terrorist Brotherhood and honored the peace pact with Israel for three decades. The Brotherhood, in contrast, has backed Hamas and called for the destruction of Israel.

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From the article:



The untold story of the “Arab Spring” is that the Obama administration secretly helped bring Islamofascists to power. Consider this timeline:

2009: The Brotherhood's spiritual leader — Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi — writes an open letter to Obama arguing terrorism is a direct response to U.S. foreign policy.

2009: Obama travels to Cairo to deliver apologetic speech to Muslims, and infuriates the Mubarak regime by inviting banned Brotherhood leaders to attend. Obama deliberately snubs Mubarak, who was neither present nor mentioned. He also snubs Israel during the Mideast trip.

2009: Obama appoints a Brotherhood-tied Islamist — Rashad Hussain — as U.S. envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, which supports the Brotherhood.

2010: State Department lifts visa ban on Tariq Ramadan, suspected terrorist and Egyptian-born grandson of Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna.

2010: Hussain meets with Ramadan at American-sponsored conference attended by U.S. and Brotherhood officials.

2010: Hussain meets with the Brotherhood's grand mufti in Egypt.

2010: Obama meets one-on-one with Egypt's foreign minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, who later remarks on Nile TV: “The American president told me in confidence that he is a Muslim.”

2010: The Brotherhood's supreme guide calls for jihad against the U.S.

2011: Qaradawi calls for “days of rage” against Mubarak and other pro-Western regimes throughout Mideast.

2011: Riots erupt in Cairo's Tahrir Square. Crowds organized by the Brotherhood demand Mubarak's ouster, storm buildings.

2011: The White House fails to back longtime ally Mubarak, who flees Cairo.

2011: White House sends intelligence czar James Clapper to Capitol Hill to whitewash the Brotherhood's extremism. Clapper testifies the group is moderate, “largely secular.”

2011: Qaradawi, exiled from Egypt for 30 years, is given a hero's welcome in Tahrir Square, where he raises the banner of jihad.

2011: Through his State Department office, William Taylor — Clinton's special coordinator for Middle East transitions and a longtime associate of Brotherhood apologists —gives Brotherhood and other Egyptian Islamists special training to prepare for the post-Mubarak elections.

2011: The Brotherhood wins control of Egyptian parliament, vows to tear up Egypt's 30-year peace treaty with Israel and reestablishes ties with Hamas, Hezbollah.

2011: Obama gives Mideast speech demanding Israel relinquish land to Palestinians, while still refusing to visit Israel.

2011: Justice Department pulls plug on further prosecution of U.S.-based Brotherhood front groups identified as collaborators in conspiracy to funnel millions to Hamas.

2011: In a shocking first, the State Department formalizes ties with Egypt's Brotherhood, letting diplomats deal directly with Brotherhood party officials in Cairo.

April 2012: The administration quietly releases $1.5 billion in foreign aid to the new Egyptian regime.

June 2012: Morsi wins presidency amid widespread reports of electoral fraud and voter intimidation by gun-toting Brotherhood thugs — including blockades of entire streets to prevent Christians from going to the polls. The Obama administration turns a blind eye, recognizes Morsi as victor.

June 2012: In a victory speech, Morsi vows to instate Shariah law, turning Egypt into an Islamic theocracy, and also promises to free jailed terrorists. He also demands Obama free World Trade Center terrorist and Brotherhood leader Omar Abdel-Rahman, a.k.a. the Blind Sheik, from U.S. prison.

June 2012: State grants visa to banned Egyptian terrorist who joins a delegation of Brotherhood officials from Egypt. They're all invited to the White House to meet with Obama's deputy national security adviser, who listens to their demands for the release of the Blind Sheik.

July 2012: Obama invites Morsi to visit the White House this September.

The Muslim Brotherhood's sudden ascendancy in the Mideast didn't happen organically. It was helped along by a U.S. president sympathetic to its interests over those of Israel and his own country.


Can there now be any doubt as to where Obama's sympathies lie?

Edited by Tinky, 06 November 2012 - 05:26 AM.


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Obama like US leaders before him fueled radicalism by backing unpopular and corrupt dictators like Mubarak. Mubarak was abandoned because he was already doomed. He would have been driven out even with full US backing. Aside from everything else this was a shambolic and incompetent dictatorship Even in more "efficient" that is to say organised and brutal, such as Syria the people are revolting despite the attempts of the regime to hold onto power.

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Obama has gotten quiet a reputation for the "snubs" he gives people he should not ignore.
He might consider the fact that he could possibly want to do some traveling once out of office
and someone may want to get back at him.

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Obama has gotten quiet a reputation for the "snubs" he gives people he should not ignore.
He might consider the fact that he could possibly want to do some traveling once out of office
and someone may want to get back at him.


Obama is just as hated in the muslim world as GWB was.....read THEIR news sites for yourself.

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Obama has gotten quiet a reputation for the "snubs" he gives people he should not ignore.
He might consider the fact that he could possibly want to do some traveling once out of office
and someone may want to get back at him.


Obama is just as hated in the Muslim world as GWB was.....read THEIR news sites for yourself.

That is true. Though he is helping the Muslim Brotherhood take over the middle east (not that they really need his help) Obama has had a lot of osama's people gunned down with drones. that makes him high on the bad list, for the worst thing anyone can do including any Muslim is to kill a Muslim without legal cause.

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Obama like US leaders before him fueled radicalism by backing unpopular and corrupt dictators like Mubarak. Mubarak was abandoned because he was already doomed. He would have been driven out even with full US backing. Aside from everything else this was a shambolic and incompetent dictatorship Even in more "efficient" that is to say organised and brutal, such as Syria the people are revolting despite the attempts of the regime to hold onto power.

Is Egypt better off under the Muslim Brotherhood.

Are the Christians in Egypt better off under the governorship of the Muslim brotherhood?

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Obama like US leaders before him fueled radicalism by backing unpopular and corrupt dictators like Mubarak. Mubarak was abandoned because he was already doomed. He would have been driven out even with full US backing. Aside from everything else this was a shambolic and incompetent dictatorship Even in more "efficient" that is to say organised and brutal, such as Syria the people are revolting despite the attempts of the regime to hold onto power.

Is Egypt better off under the Muslim Brotherhood.

Are the Christians in Egypt better off under the governorship of the Muslim brotherhood?


You write as if Obama could have kept Mubaraka in office, this was never a possibility. Look at Syria, if the USA had been foolish enough to try and keep Mubarrak in power they would have had to send troops in to back him up and taken a side in a civil war. It is clear that in Syria a competent thug is going to be driven from office, Mubbarak was an incompetent thug and never stood a chance.

Egyptian Christians would have had everything to lose in such a civil war, so yes they are better of than under the alternative. I don't like Mursi or the brotherhood but at least Egypt now has an emergent democratic system with a powerful and vocal opposition

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Obama like US leaders before him fueled radicalism by backing unpopular and corrupt dictators like Mubarak. Mubarak was abandoned because he was already doomed. He would have been driven out even with full US backing. Aside from everything else this was a shambolic and incompetent dictatorship Even in more "efficient" that is to say organised and brutal, such as Syria the people are revolting despite the attempts of the regime to hold onto power.

Is Egypt better off under the Muslim Brotherhood.

Are the Christians in Egypt better off under the governorship of the Muslim brotherhood?


You write as if Obama could have kept Mubaraka in office, this was never a possibility.


No, you are reading things into my words that were not in my train of thought. I am addressing you and who or what you support.


Egyptian Christians would have had everything to lose in such a civil war, so yes they are better of than under the alternative. I don't like Mursi or the brotherhood but at least Egypt now has an emergent democratic system with a powerful and vocal opposition


This does not answer the questions I asked.


Is Egypt better off now that the Muslim Brotherhood is in control than they were before?

Are the Christians in Egypt better off now under the governorship of the Muslim brotherhood than they were before?

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All Egyptians including Christians are better of under democracy with all its manifest imperfections than under the dictatorship of Mubarak. That doesn't mean I'm a fan of the reactionaries of the MB. As to what I support. Well I'm a Libertarian Socialist so I would like to see a left-wing government that would introduce policies to give the milllions of Egyptians who currently live in poverty a decent life. Under Mubarak and of course still many of those living in squalor were and are Christians. The families living in filth on the rubbish tips of Cairo and Alexandria eking out a living recycling others trash are Christians. The only thing Mubarak did for them was to use the swine fever hysteria to have their pigs confiscated and slaughtered.

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This article was written by 'unknown'? Yeah, that's credible. :mgclown:

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All Egyptians including Christians are better of under democracy with all its manifest imperfections than under the dictatorship of Mubarak. That doesn't mean I'm a fan of the reactionaries of the MB. As to what I support. Well I'm a Libertarian Socialist so I would like to see a left-wing government that would introduce policies to give the milllions of Egyptians who currently live in poverty a decent life. Under Mubarak and of course still many of those living in squalor were and are Christians. The families living in filth on the rubbish tips of Cairo and Alexandria eking out a living recycling others trash are Christians. The only thing Mubarak did for them was to use the swine fever hysteria to have their pigs confiscated and slaughtered.


I keep hearing about increases in persecution of Christians in Egypt, not less.

Like this article

And if the Muslim Brotherhood succeeds in implementing Sharia Law (see here), what will you say then?

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This article was written by 'unknown'? Yeah, that's credible. :mgclown:


Didn't you know I write for "Investor's Business Daily?"


:shocked: I'm shocked...shocked, I tell you!

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Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776.

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Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776.



The U.S. is often considered to be the arbitrator and supervisor of the world.....we are not. If Egypt wanted to overthrow Mubarak, they wouldn't need American anything to do so. Let's be real here.

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Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776.


I'm not sure how that matters. My concern is that you seem to be celebrating the end results. I am not convinced that with the Muslim Brotherhood in charge there will be any more "democratic processes" in Egypt for long.

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Well, my conrern or rather puzzlement is your seeming enthusiasm for an octoganarian dictator and your seeming belief that Egyptians unlike the British or Americans should not be allowed to choose their own government. As to the MB its success is at least in part down to the fact that it was the only opposition group with any freedom to organise at all under Mubarak. I'd also like to point out that rather than being some unstoppable dark political force their actually riven with division. As to a return to dictatorship well Tahir Square helped show the people how poweeful they are which makes taking such a step near impossible.

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Did I ever show enthusiasm for Mubarak?

I view this as "jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire."

But there was a concept explained I wish I could recall better that explained it is unlikely for Democracy to work in the Mid-East on account of the mindset of the people. "Democracy" as we know it arose out of the thinking of the Enlightenment in Europe. That kind of mindset is needed for "democracy" to work and stick. And that isn't the kind of mindset that exists in these Mid-Eastern states.

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A concept undermined by the fact that there are democracies all over the rest of the non-European world and thst some vile dictatorships have existed within your enlightened zone. The name Adolf Hitler alone sinks your concept. Egyptians are pretty much the same as Americans.

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Obama has gotten quiet a reputation for the "snubs" he gives people he should not ignore.
He might consider the fact that he could possibly want to do some traveling once out of office
and someone may want to get back at him.


Obama is just as hated in the Muslim world as GWB was.....read THEIR news sites for yourself.

That is true. Though he is helping the Muslim Brotherhood take over the middle east (not that they really need his help) Obama has had a lot of osama's people gunned down with drones. that makes him high on the bad list, for the worst thing anyone can do including any Muslim is to kill a Muslim without legal cause.


Obama is not a muslim.....look to actions and not the words of his enemies. I believe he is a Christian; he's just not a strong one. Being raised by an atheist is probably behind that.




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