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Why Are Republicans Waging War on Food Stamps Now?


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Why Are Republicans Waging War on Food Stamps Now?


By Jordan Weissmann, The Atlantic
Updated: June 22, 2012 | 12:33 p.m.
June 22, 2012 | 12:07 p.m.


Here is a fact that should disturb everyone, regardless of their politics: Today, about one out of every seven Americans receives food stamps. That's a population of 45 million people -- roughly the size of Spain -- who rely on government help to feed themselves.
There are two ways to interpret this number. On the one hand, you could take it as evidence of just how crucial the social safety net has become in the wake of the Great Recession, as families are quite literally struggling to put food on the table. On the other, you could just read it as an example of government welfare run amok.
Guess which view is popular among conservatives these days.
This past week, Republican Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama proposed a handful of amendments to the farm bill that would tighten food stamp eligibility and end payments to states that increase the size of their rolls. They were relatively modest, reaping up to $20 billion in savings from a program expected to cost $770 billion over the next ten years, and were rejected by Senate Democrats as well as a handful of GOP moderates. But the cuts were part of a growing Republican animosity to the food stamp program. Libertarian hero Rand Paul had previously proposed cutting it by more than 40 percent. The Republican-led House, where Oversight Committee chair Darryl Issa has been rampaging about alleged fraud in the program, has passed a bill that would nix $34 billion from its budget.

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Then there's the commentariat. The Wall Street Journal editorial page has declared that food stamps are becoming "the next middle-class entitlement." Fox Business says the same.

There is no question that the food stamp program is expensive and growing. Enrollment in the federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), as its officially called, increased 70 percent between 2007 and 2011. Annual spending more than doubled to an all-time-high of $78 billion. It's now the second largest welfare program behind Medicaid, which cost the federal government about $275 billion last year.

But here are a few facts to keep in mind. According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the food stamp program's growth "has been driven primarily by the weak economy." About 65 percent of the increased spending was the result of people simply getting poorer. Another 20 percent was due to the stimulus act, which boosted the maximum benefit at a time when the recession was absolutely grinding up vulnerable families. As the CBO notes, there have been no -- I repeat no -- significant legislative changes to who is eligible since Obama took office.
Meanwhile, the average household receiving food stamps had an average income of $731 dollars, including other welfare payments. Around 85 percent of recipients were below the poverty line, which amounts to a measly $18,500 a year for a family of three. The vast majority are elderly, disabled, or have children. Among single, young, and healthy recipients, the average income is $268 a month.
Meanwhile, we're not even handing out benefits to everyone we could be. By 2009, only 72 percent of those eligible were enrolled. Despite an investigation by Scripps Howard that uncovered some scattered instances of fraud, the U.S. Department of Agriculture believes abuse of the program is at an all-time low. Ninety-eight percent of food stamp payments went to houses which should have been eligible, and overpayment rates are miniscule.

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The Republicans have argued that there are hidden ways people could be cheating the system. People enrolled in other welfare programs can automatically receive food stamps, no matter what their savings are. Technically, you could own a $1 million house and be on the government's dole.
These are the sorts of specters people raise if they are philosophically opposed to government safety net programs, no matter how well run they might be. States enroll families automatically because it cuts down on administrative costs, which has helped make the food stamp program extremely efficient. Just because some people theoretically could be scamming the system doesn't mean they are in any meaningful numbers. And paranoia isn't a reason to start pulling food out of people's mouths.
If I wanted to impugn the GOP's motives, I might say that they were trying to snuff out an incredibly successful stimulus program. Because food stamps go to families literally living hand to mouth, they're quickly cycled back into the economy. Moody's Analytics has suggested that every dollar spent on the program generates $1.72 in economic activity.
But I don't think that's necessary. The GOP has always been philosophically opposed to lower-class welfare (middle-class welfare, well that's a different story). It's a pity though. Because right now, they're obviously needed more than ever.

As Senator Sessions said as he argued for cuts, "This is more than just a financial issue. It is a moral issue as well." Exactly. At least we can all agree on that.
Jordan Weissmann is an associate editor at The Atlantic. He has written for a number of publications, including The Washington Post and The National Law Journal.

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http://www.stateheal...sp?cat=1&ind=26

Average Monthly Food Stamp Benefits Per Person, FY2011
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Click again to reverse the order. Average Monthly Food Stamp Benefits per Participant United States $133.84 Alabama $135.18 Alaska $170.83 Arizona $128.70 Arkansas $123.52 California $147.11 Colorado $140.48 Connecticut $142.47 Delaware $126.80 District of Columbia $141.68 Florida $139.55 Georgia $135.37 Hawaii $215.38 Idaho $131.95 Illinois $139.15 Indiana $131.66 Iowa $126.33 Kansas $126.34 Kentucky $127.60 Louisiana $130.59 Maine $128.43 Maryland $129.19 Massachusetts $132.29 Michigan $136.18 Minnesota $115.08 Mississippi $123.29 Missouri $127.05 Montana $129.66 Nebraska $122.69 Nevada $124.36 New Hampshire $119.54 New Jersey $133.26 New Mexico $127.07 New York $148.63 North Carolina $124.58 North Dakota $131.25 Ohio $139.87 Oklahoma $128.43 Oregon $128.25 Pennsylvania $128.40 Rhode Island $142.95 South Carolina $132.21 South Dakota $132.70 Tennessee $133.82 Texas $125.57 Utah $117.41 Vermont $122.10 Virginia $129.55 Washington $126.19 West Virginia $119.81 Wisconsin $116.28 Wyoming $122.96 Guam $216.25 Puerto Rico NA Virgin Islands $176.11

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The way to get people off of food stamps is for the government to lower taxes, not raise taxes on small business owners and provide low interest loans to provide incentive to grow or start new business with good paying jobs and that will increase the tax base. My contention is that we don't need to raise taxes. We need more tax payers. We need to start jobs that will pay families a living wage and give them earning and buying power that will drive the economy out of the ditch. Let the private sector grow and business owners and the corporate sector won't sit on the money any more they will build new businesses and grow existing ones and we can watch the numbers drop from the food stamp roll, and hopefully the welfare roll. Instead raising taxes, you create more tax payers and the larger your tax base the less you need to raise taxes.

Cutting off illegal aliens who number in the tens of millions and are drawing off of food stamps would help as well. They are a big drag on out economy.

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Monthly Number of Persons Participating in the Food Stamp Program

July 2012



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View by Census Regions July 2011 June 2012 July 2012 United States 45,345,473 46,670,301 46,681,833 Alabama 873,174 908,345 909,525 Alaska 91,100 94,298 93,031 Arizona 1,102,573 1,116,483 1,119,607 Arkansas 492,080 500,190 502,287 California 3,776,195 4,011,628 4,034,260 Colorado 464,088 494,316 496,559 Connecticut 386,724 404,164 405,613 Delaware 137,840 148,295 147,509 District of Columbia 140,295 141,266 142,028 Florida 3,125,331 3,419,492 3,426,193 Georgia 1,828,053 1,936,525 1,959,113 Hawaii 164,325 179,700 180,733 Idaho 232,349 231,059 228,432 Illinois 1,791,592 1,874,051 1,891,581 Indiana 884,325 908,458 911,977 Iowa 388,973 412,889 412,187 Kansas 301,926 307,886 309,715 Kentucky 832,178 853,820 857,677 Louisiana 905,323 901,586 901,593 Maine 251,630 253,903 253,305 Maryland 688,816 719,507 722,629 Massachusetts 825,084 873,891 877,542 Michigan 1,928,071 1,806,925 1,805,450 Minnesota 522,258 541,786 542,858 Mississippi 633,764 659,191 660,743 Missouri 945,985 943,835 938,829 Montana 126,203 126,048 124,902 Nebraska 173,674 175,930 176,193 Nevada 342,462 355,349 355,940 New Hampshire 114,046 117,734 117,650 New Jersey 778,822 829,584 829,379 New Mexico 422,123 440,267 440,019 New York 3,043,751 3,095,534 3,094,677 North Carolina 1,614,848 1,674,350 1,687,148 North Dakota 62,956 58,243 57,901 Ohio 1,756,228 1,790,955 1,677,543 Oklahoma 616,494 610,448 608,952 Oregon 788,165 823,852 821,247 Pennsylvania 1,754,322 1,795,920 1,793,687 Rhode Island 164,055 174,069 175,014 South Carolina 850,183 872,149 875,828 South Dakota 103,343 103,914 103,934 Tennessee 1,277,706 1,342,885 1,341,252 Texas 4,051,042 3,951,184 3,976,675 Utah 279,293 275,698 257,736 Vermont 92,643 96,854 97,243 Virginia 876,522 917,816 919,909 Washington 1,075,482 1,115,286 1,111,084 West Virginia 346,088 341,853 362,023 Wisconsin 821,212 837,565 841,062 Wyoming 34,793 34,184 34,223 Guam 41,655 43,824 43,973 Puerto Rico NA NA NA Virgin Islands 23,310 25,317 25,663

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What are the above number about? Just putting numbers out there without an explanation doesn't explain a thing ... :noidea:

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The total people on food stamps is 46.681,833. With a population of just over 300 million that puts the people on food stamps at about 15%


The number of people on fool stamps has gone up during President Obama's administration, however the requirements for food stamps has not changed. The food stamp usage has gone up because our economy has gone down.......


So if you want to get people off food stamps make the economy grow.....

Shiloh, our economy was much stronger when Bill Clinton was in office and I don't see how you can justify saying that the economy will go to pot more if we go back to those days. The problem we have with the economy is that our government isn't doing anything but spending money everywhere. but we don't need to be talking about taking food out of the mouths of hurting people and calling them freeloaders when we spend a couple of hundred million dollars on some sets of video's to keep Chinese hookers from getting aids.

Stop the spending on things we don't really need, I agree.......

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Republicans are going the way of the Whigs.

Who are we going to blame for all of our ills when there are finally no more republcans?

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What are the above number about? Just putting numbers out there without an explanation doesn't explain a thing ... :noidea:


Hummm, the top lines didn't copy over. I'll fix it.

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Oklahoma has 16% of it's people on food stamps. They average 128 dollars for each person and the median income for food stamp recipients is less than $900 a month


From Tom Coburn's waste book page 7


The National Football League (NFL), the National Hockey League (NHL), and the Professional Golfers’ Association (PGA) classify themselves as non-profit organizations to exempt themselves from federal income taxes on earnings. Smaller sports leagues, such as the National Lacrosse League, are also using the tax status. Taxpayers may be losing at least $91 million subsidizing these tax loopholes for professional sports leagues that generate billions of dollars annually in profits.28 Taxpayers should not be asked to subsidize sports organizations already benefiting widely from willing fans and turning a profit, while claiming to be non-profit organizations.
InIn 2010, the registered NFL nonprofit alone received $184 million from its 32 member teams. 29 It holds over $1 billion in assets.30 Together with its subsidiaries and teams – many of which are for-profit, taxed entities – the NFL generates an estimated $9 billion annually.31 Each of its teams are among the top 50 most expensive sports teams in the world, ranking alongside the world’s famous soccer teams. Almost half of professional football teams are valued at over $1 billion.32
Touchdown! Grass is always greener when a sports league can score with loopholes to avoid paying taxes.

In 2010, the registered NFL nonprofit alone received $184 million from its 32 member teams. 29 It holds over $1 billion in assets.30 Together with its subsidiaries and teams – many of which are for-profit, taxed entities – the NFL generates an estimated $9 billion annually.31 Each of its teams are among the top 50 most expensive sports teams in the world, ranking alongside the world’s famous soccer teams. Almost half of professional football teams are valued at over $1 billion.32
Touchdown! Grass is always greener when a sports league can score with loopholes to avoid paying taxes.


One major sports league – Major League Baseball – filed as a nonprofit for years, but chose to become a for-profit limited liability corporation in 2007. At least partly motivating the change was an opposition to the IRS’ new salary transparency rules for nonprofits, which require releasing information on salaries above $150,000.49 The NFL lobbied strenuously in Washington against an expansion of the disclosure reporting, but found little support.
Major professional sports leagues should no longer be eligible for general federal tax exemption. Removing them from federal nonprofit status may also benefit states and localities, which lose out on much needed revenue. For example, the NFL may have lived every taxpayer’s dream at this year’s Super Bowl in Indianapolis. According to the Indianapolis Business Journal, “Hotels and restaurants [did not tax] National Football League employees … The NFL [used] its tax-exempt status as a 501©(6) to avoid paying taxes, in addition to fuel, auto rental and admissions taxes.”50
Hardworking taxpayers should not be forced to provide funding to offset tax giveaways to lucrative major professional sports teams and leagues. Based on publicly available information about the NFL and NHL alone, barring major leagues from using the non-profit status may generate at least $91 million of federal revenue every year.51

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A lot of people do not realize that food stamps act as a stimulous and do have some positive aspects. Many small grocery businesses could not survive without them.

Farmers have more people who can purchase their products due to food stamps, which enables them to make a living.

Large box stores make billions each year off food stamps. This creates jobs.

There is more, but that is enough for now.

I am not saying that I approve of food stamp fraud, but if someone really needs them to feed their family, they should get them.


I agree KathnAnn, but who's working to stop the fraud........ no one. They want to just cut and cut with no real plan. Are people cheating the system..... of course they are. Why should Starbucks need to take food stamps..... or taco bell or any fast food place.

The fraud would be very easy to fix if it was someone's agenda. But I don't think the fraud is that much of a percentage of what good is done.

When you see someone buying beer at the grocery store do you report it....... I do. if we all did so the grocery stores would stop doing it for they can't afford to loose thier business. I personally have seen both Walmart and Homeland tell people that they can't use their cards to purchase things...... but I think it's different in each state.

Is our voice greater than the fast food lobbyists

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WASTEBOOK 2012

6) Out-of-this-world Martian food tasting – (HI) $947,000
Imagine pizza so out of this world, you would have to travel to Mars to have a slice.
That is the goal of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration’s (NASA) Advanced Food Technology Project, which has already developed a recipe for pizza and about 100 other foods that could be served some day on Mars.109
Of course, NASA no longer has a manned spaced fleet and no current mission plans for human space flight to Mars, but some are hopeful a trip to the red planet could possibly be taken in the mid-2030s at the earliest.110 111 Even this goal is optimistic, however, due to budget constraints that have reduced the appetite for costly space missions.
Yet, NASA spends about $1 million annually “researching and building the Mars menu.”112 This year, NASA also awarded $947,000 to researchers at Cornell University and the University of Hawaii to study the best food for astronauts to eat on Mars.113
Six volunteers will head into a barren landscape in Hawaii to simulate a 120-day Mars mission. In exchange, they receive an all-expenses-paid trip, plus $5,000 each, for
NASA will spend almost $1 million to test what astronauts might eat on Mars.
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completing the journey.114
Volunteers will perform the activities Mars explorers might do, including wearing space suits and taking “Navy showers,” in order to see how different foods might affect their moods and health.115 In keeping with the purpose of the food study, one of the stated primary procedures for the participants is to “consume only ‘instant’ foods and foods prepared from shelf stable ingredients…and rate these foods.”116 Preparation for this extreme food-tasting challenge starts before the 120-day “mission.” Participants will attend a four-day workshop, and a two-week training exercise in the months leading up to the simulation, slated for early 2013.
Though anyone could submit an application, the research team was not looking for just anyone. They needed “people who are interested in food, who know how to cook.”117
Ultimately, NASA wants to know what the best food options might be for long-term travel. The study organizers note “humans eating a restricted diet over a period of months
The millions of dollars NASA is spending to develop recipes for pizza and other foods to be served on Mars may be lost in a black hole since it could be decades before man sets foot on the red planet.

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ultimately experience ‘menu fatigue,’ also known as food monotony.”118 Astronauts currently have over 100 different food options.119 Preparing meals on Mars, however, offers new culinary opportunities. In space, “the lack of gravity means smell — and taste — is impaired. So the food is bland.”120 Because gravity does exist on Mars, astronauts would be able to “chop vegetables and do a little cooking of their own.”121 All the recipes developed so far are “vegetarian because the astronauts will not have dairy or meat products available. It isn’t possible to preserve those products long enough to take to Mars — and bringing a cow on the mission is not an option,” according to the senior research scientist at Lockheed Martin leading a team of three who are building the Martian menu.122
You do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize the millions of dollars being spent to taste test Martian meals that may never be served is lost in a black hole.

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8) USDA’s caviar dreams – (ID) $300,000
Many Americans are finding it difficult to afford to put just the basics on their family’s dinner table. Yet, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) spent $300,000 this year to promote caviar.134
As “one of the world’s most expensive delicacies, selling for as much as $400 per ounce, or $14 a gram,” caviar has been considered a “luxury cuisine for thousands of years.”135 136 In fact, Aristotle “described great platters of caviar garnished with flowers, served amid trumpet fanfare” at Greek banquets.137
While there are “no reliable” estimates on world-wide caviar production and profits, the “insatiable appetite among the wealthy” for the delicacy keeps “demand for caviar far outpacing the supply.”138
Fish Processors of Idaho was given a $300,000 Value-Added Producer Grant by USDA to create a website, print flyers and send the company’s owner to trade shows “in places like Boston and Chicago” to “entice distributors to bring his caviar to the masses.”139
“At $28.40 an ounce wholesale (it goes for as much as $100 retail),” the Fish Processors of Idaho has “brought in about $150,000 in revenue annually from caviar sales in the past six years. If all goes according to plan, revenue could skyrocket to $1.5 million soon.”140

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I can go on with this for page after page after page.

We need to get a grip on the total waste of money, not take the food out of needy people's mouths.

I think tomorrow we should take up that 47% that don't pay taxes....... but that's going to take some serious research it may take a day or three.


Medial income for the people in Oklahoma on food stamps is less than $900 a month. We haven't tried to live on that since 1972

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Are you your brothers keeper:

Matt 25:31-26:1

31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 "And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You drink? 38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39'And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


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Yep, I surely am my brothers keeper..... and you should be to.. And I don't personally think that enough of us go to church for the church to take care of people...... nor do I think most would give if we didn't pay taxes at all..... but that's just the view from my perch.

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I agree with all my heart that if our elected individuals had to vote for everything in a bill, one item at a time instead of setting them as riders, there would be far less pork. Critical accounting policies need to be put in place.

When welfare began in the 30's it was due to the depression when people had far less than we do today. It was designed to assist those families who needed help where having a baby out of wedlock is exceedingly less than it is today. Families also took care of their own before they sought out charity from the Church and left to the system.

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The USDA Food Stamps Are Also Directly Supporting The Hardworking (Republican?) American Folk
And Their Hardworking (Illegal?) Workers Who Produce Our Food

And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:5

http://www.fns.usda....ation/about.htm

But As I See It Only Jesus Can Put That Food Where It's Intended

Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.Psalms 127:1

http://www.fns.usda....eligibility.htm

For There Is An Evil Drug Machine Running A-Muck In The Hood You See
That Snatches This Made In America Produce

From The Children's Mouths You See

Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man. For thou art my hope, O Lord GOD: thou art my trust from my youth. Psalms 71:4-5

And Therein Lies The Root Of My Prayer For The Hungry
And The Helpless And The Hopeless
All The Children Of America
Legal Or No

Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street. Lamentations 2:19

Mercy Lord, Save Now~!
In Jesus' Name I Pray
Amen

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Republicans are going the way of the Whigs

Who are we going to blame for all of our ills when there are finally no more Republicans?


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And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 1 Thessalonians 4:11

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A lot of people do not realize that food stamps act as a stimulous and do have some positive aspects. Many small grocery businesses could not survive without them


Farmers have more people who can purchase their products due to food stamps, which enables them to make a living.

Large box stores make billions each year off food stamps. This creates jobs.


Okay... Now for a dose of reality. Food stamps do not stimulate the economy. It was Nancy Pelosi who first made the point that food stamps stimulate the economy. And it is one of the crazy things she says when she is speaking off of script and is allowed to say whatever pops into her head. Evidently neither she nor you understand what real economic stimulus looks like or how it is done.

31 Million people were on food stamps when Georg Bush left office. Over 45 Million are now food stamps after four years of Obama. At means that there are nearly 14 Million MORE food stamp recipients.That is a record. More people are on federal assitance now than at any time in american history. Exactly how does that mean the economy is being stimulated. What it means is that things are getting worse. Food stamp dependency is not a good sign for the economy at all. It means that people don't have money and need help just for basic necessities. It is unrealistic to portray food stamps as economic stimulus.

If food stamps, as liberals tout, is a job creator and we are seeing record numbers of people on food stamps, why are'nt we seeing record numbers of jobs being created??? Why is unemployment still at 8%???

The jobs people are able to find are usually minimum wage, jobs, part time jobs and temp jobs. Jobs that don't pay the bills. The jobs people are getting are not the jobs they lost. People who used to make upwards of $70 or $80 thousand a year are working for minimum wage part time at Walmart or Wendy's.

The notion that spending = economic stimulus ignores the fact that the way people earn money plays a major part in healthy job creation. Liberals have this logic that if you just hand over more money, people will spend and that spending will generate new jobs. Doesn't work that way. In this economy, people are hoarding what money they do have. If Obama gave everyone $1,000 right now, most people would sock it away and only spend what they needed to spend on the necessities. Handing someone $100 is not the same as letting them earn $100. This is because when you have to earn $100 you become more aware of what it is worth because of how hard you worked to earn it. That is why kids who are forced to earn their first car and work in order to have money for fun on the weekend grow up more responsible better money managers than spoiled kids who have everything given to them.

Real economic stimulus results when the government gets out of the way of the private sector and allows for an environment where businesses can thrive and that is where jobs are created. That generates MORE tax revenue than simply raising taxes on the 1%. The government stinks at job creation and always has.

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Republicans are going the way of the Whigs

Who are we going to blame for all of our ills when there are finally no more Republicans?


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And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 1 Thessalonians 4:11

Yeah, Joe. This stupid partisanship IS ridiculous, isn't it?

So I'll join you in just laughing at it.

Blessings!
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Okay... Now for a dose of reality. Food stamps do not stimulate the economy.


hummmm, well from the OP apparently Moody's Analytics and myself disagree with you.




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