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Keep CHRIST in CHRISTmas ?

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KEEP CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS


We've all seen this bumper sticker, and most of us probably used the expression at one time or another. Unfortunately, it does not reflect truth beyond a human tradition in Roman Catholic history when an uninformed (if well meaning, well intended) effort to Christianize a pagan holiday was decreed as the date which Jesus Christ was born. On or about December 25th. It was the pagan fertility feast of Saturnalia frot with pagan ritual and sexual orgies. The current holiday is much better by far... but it is not really about Jesus. For he was born (according to the time of years that shepherds would be out in the fields watching their flocks by night) before winter set in. Going by the timeliness of Jesus' life according to the Jewish feasts (which God implemented, by the way) Jesus was most likely born during the feast of booths / tabernacles. The Apostle John gives us a hint in the Greek in verse 1:14 of his Gospel account that Jesus "tabernacled" among us.

Another point is that Jesus did not tell us to remember his birth, or even his resurrection for that matter, but to remember his death in the communion / last supper / Passover Seder till he returns. Interesting how little we hear when God speaks and how trifling is our obedience to his commands. We don't even know what day of the week he died... not really. If we go by the traditions of men (which Jesus said nullify the Word of God Mark 7:13 and other places in scripture) then Friday is the day people throw God a bone with the gesture of good Friday. If you go by the biblical account it would be with either Wednesday or Thursday (depending on how one actually counts three days and three nights).

As I said, the human tradition holiday Christmas is better than Saturnalia by leaps and bounds. But it is not about Jesus even when it was far less commercialized and selfish. At best it was a time of uplifting one's countenance seasonal cheer in a bleak time of year... the hope for wellness and peace. A good time for family and friends to fellowship. But it was not about Christ even then... not really.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying people never genuinely believed it was about Jesus Christ... good heavens, people sincerely believe it is about Jesus Christ (I certainly did 30+ years ago when my beloved wife and I set our wedding date December 25th). So I a not coming at this from the angle of bashing believers or ridiculing them. I only hope to educate all what the Bible teaches and what the Bible does not teach. "God helps those who help themselves..." is not found in scripture. Neither is Christmas truly about Jesus Christ.

God could have started Christianity from the get go, but instead he set out to teach the world there is no other way. Going through the various dispensations and governments of man (beginning with the familial patriarchy and matriarchy through the time of the prophetic / judges to the monarchy and Judaism itself to teach the world that these things especially religion and religious practices do not work and can become corrupt tainted and opposing the very God originally set out to serve). And God does not want these things from us. He wants fellowship with us. 1 John 1.

God is not interested in platitudes, lip service, naming things as Christian though they really are not.

We fight a spiritual war (waged quite often in our own hearts) with means that transcend this world. Christmas and creches are traditions of man that other men can take away. Atheists tell us we cannot have a creche on public property and the crosses that dot the America landscape should be removed.

God is not about these things.

God is about what man can never take away from us. And for us to do our ministerial part (each and every believer is a priest before God 1 Peter 2:5 Revelation 1:6) using our spiritual gifts which no one can take away from us... laying up for ourselves treasures in heaven...

Matthew 6:19-20 (NIV)
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

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Well, here we go... :sad030:

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Well, here we go... :sad030:


Drivers, start your engines! :whistling:

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My family will celebrate Christmas - all in good conscience and to the Lord. If others don't want to celebrate Christmas - that's their business. I won't criticize them for their decision, and I expect the same in return. I've seen the arguments every year for as long as I can remember, and I view the arguments as a colossal waste of time. I would boil things down to something very simple: be happy with your decision and mind your own business. I'm very happy with my decision and plan to have a wonderful time in the Lord with my family.

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Well, here we go... :sad030:


Drivers, start your engines! :whistling:


Zoom~! Zoom~!

I will sing unto the LORD, because he hath dealt bountifully with me. Psalms 13:6

All Ye Gentle Men

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Galatians 5:22-26

Turn On The Lights And Lift Up Your Voices

And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David: ) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Luke 2:4-14

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Go, tell it on the mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere
Go, tell it on the mountain,
That Jesus Christ is born.
http://www.cyberhymn.../o/gotitotm.htm


Merry Christmas~!

Love Your Brother Joe

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we all think of christmas as Jesus birthday there are many views on when He was born but one thing is for sure He was born
i keep christmas as His birthday i make my cards with Him in mind ...to me its saying
thankyou Lord

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Is it that time again!

what took so long?

Hey you are right! 11 months and 7 days is actually a long time. Wonder what went wrong this year?

Well there is always Easter to look forward to.

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Christ is the true meaning of Christmas! You know how some people say "Happy Holidays?" I don't think that's right. I like the sound of Merry Christmas better, because it reminds us of the real meaning, over the commercial meaning.

Edited by warriorforJesus, 07 December 2012 - 04:09 PM.


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Okay.

Show a bible verse in support of Christmas.

Otherwise it is just another man made tradition.

Mark 7:13 (NASB95)
13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Human traditions (even the with the best of intentions) nullifies the Word of God.

Jesus IS God the Word. How can he be in something that nullifies the Word of God?

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In San Diego, California a local Christian radio station used to run the billboard saying "Jesus is the reason for the season" every Christmas season. Then they would cross out "the" and write "all" and add an "s" to the end of season once the Christmas season passed. I agree with the latter editorial.

Jesus is the reason for all seasons.

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My point in all this is don't allow Churchianity to get in the way of Christianity.

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The First Noel
Christmas Hymn and Carol


The First Noel, the Angels did say
Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep
On a cold winter's night that was so deep.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

They looked up and saw a star
Shining in the East beyond them far
And to the earth it gave great light
And so it continued both day and night.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

And by the light of that same star
Three Wise men came from country far
To seek for a King was their intent
And to follow the star wherever it went.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

This star drew nigh to the northwest
O'er Bethlehem it took its rest
And there it did both Pause and stay
Right o'er the place where Jesus lay.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

Then entered in those Wise men three
Full reverently upon their knee
And offered there in His presence
Their gold and myrrh and frankincense.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

Then let us all with one accord
Sing praises to our heavenly Lord
That hath made Heaven and earth of nought
And with his blood mankind has bought.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!


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The First Noel
Christmas Hymn and Carol


The First Noel, the Angels did say
Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep
On a cold winter's night that was so deep.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

They looked up and saw a star
Shining in the East beyond them far
And to the earth it gave great light
And so it continued both day and night.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

And by the light of that same star
Three Wise men came from country far
To seek for a King was their intent
And to follow the star wherever it went.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

This star drew nigh to the northwest
O'er Bethlehem it took its rest
And there it did both Pause and stay
Right o'er the place where Jesus lay.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

Then entered in those Wise men three
Full reverently upon their knee
And offered there in His presence
Their gold and myrrh and frankincense.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!

Then let us all with one accord
Sing praises to our heavenly Lord
That hath made Heaven and earth of nought
And with his blood mankind has bought.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel
Born is the King of Israel!


Hallelujah~!

The KING Is Born~!


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My LORD And My God~!

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Ephesians 5:19

I Love You So

O God, my heart is fixed; I will sing and give praise, even with my glory.
Awake, psaltery and harp: I myself will awake early.
I will praise thee, O LORD, among the people: and I will sing praises unto thee among the nations.
For thy mercy is great above the heavens: and thy truth reacheth unto the clouds.
Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens: and thy glory above all the earth; Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Psalms 108:1-5

I Love You

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

Happy Birthday Jesus~!

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Is it that time again!

what took so long?

Hey you are right! 11 months and 7 days is actually a long time. Wonder what went wrong this year?

Well there is always Easter to look forward to.


Dibs On The Ears

And Past The Seder Plate~!


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All this stuff about Christmas having pagan origins is a lot of hogwash. A lot of urban legends and conspiracy theories have arisen about the orgins of the Christmas and most of it is based on revisionist history.

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Oh, okay, so the Bible texts you are quoting to celebrate the birth of Jesus are... ... ... ?

Luke 22:19 (KJV)
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24 (KJV)
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:26 (KJV)
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.

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Throughout the holiday's history, Christmas has been the subject of controversy and attacks from various sources. A Puritan led controversy began during the English Interregnum, when England was ruled by a Puritan Parliament.

[^ "Marta Patiño, The Puritan Ban on Christmas". Timetravel-britain.com. Retrieved 2011-02-24.]

Puritans sought to remove the remaining pagan elements of Christmas. During this brief period, the Puritan led English Parliament banned the celebration of Christmas entirely, considering it "a popish festival with no biblical justification", and a time of wasteful and immoral behavior.

[^ "Why did Cromwell abolish Christmas?". Oliver Cromwell. The Cromwell Association. 2001. Retrieved 2006-12-28.]

In Colonial America, the Puritans outlawed celebration of Christmas in 1659.

[^ Christmas in the Colonies Time. Retrieved December 25, 2011]




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