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Gay Marriage and the Demise of America

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The issue of gay marriage is an emotionally charged issue (and rightly so) for many people who either support it or do not support it.

 

The family is God's first institution on this earth.  God created marriage.  Marriage is God's domain and He alone possesses the sovereign authority to define what is and is not marriage.

 

The fever pitch of emotion that comes into play when this issue comes to the fore appears to be for two primary reasons.   Those who support traditional marriage understand that the biblical family unit is the bedrock of a healthy nation.   Strong families with two parents, one male and one female committed to one another and to each committed to the Lord is the best hope for America's survival.  So traditional marriage proponents see this as something worth defending and fighting for.  They are fighting for the preservation of the very heart of what makes America the greatest nation on earth.

 

Traditional marriage proponents understand the need to take Deuteronomy 6:6-12 seriously as it is the commandment to parents to erect living memorials to the Word of God in their lives, in their children's lives, to ensure that the Word of God governs their homes.  The result of a nation of Godly families is a godly nation.  The problem is that our nation has all but completely abandoned the Word of God.  We are not a Scripture driven nation as we should be.  That leads us to the second reason this is such an emotionally charged issue.

 

Satan is all about counterfeiting.  Counterfeiters only counterfeit things that are valuable.  What's the point of counterfeiting a one dollar bill?  When I go to the store and hand the cashier a large denomination of money like a $50 bill, she runs a magic marker across it to verify it is genuine.   If I hand her a $5 and two $1 bills she doesn't check to verify those.  There is no major concern that anyone counterfeiting those bills.

 

Gay marriage is Satan's counterfeit to God's original institution.  Many of the more militant supporters of gay marriage understand also how valuable marriage is in terms of how it affects the country.  The goal is to fundamentally remake America and there is nothing more fundamental to our nation than marriage.  Marriage is so important that Satan needs to create a counterfeit version of it.

 

Those who fight to preserve biblical marriage and those who fight to redefine marriage are fighting to either preserve our country as a bastion of God's Word, or to fundamentally transform our country into a humanistic, anti-God society.  

 

The promotion of gay marriage requires a rejection of the authority of Scripture to define marriage and human sexuality.   The Bible addresses both, but the gay marriage proponents have responded with the question so characteristic of Satan in the Garden:  "Hath God said...?"

 

The fight to remove prayer in school was never really about the Constitution or the First Amendment, nor was it ever really about some fear of offending a Muslim or an Atheist.  Those were just pretexts.  Prayer, the Ten Commandments, anything that looked even remotely Christian had to be removed in order that other humanistic philosophies and moral teachings could be introduced without any competing influences.  Without a Christian influence in our schools, Evolution, socialism, gay marriage, and  history revisionism about the Christian founding of our nation could flourish without opposition.

 

The result is that 75% of churched youth abandon their faith within two years of graduation from high school. According to a Barna poll, these youth leave the church for the stated reason: "I no longer believe the Bible is true, and the church as not answered my doubts."   The same poll indicates that the fastest growing "religious group" among young people 18-29 is the category of "no religion."

 

Just about anyone 30 years old and younger by a very wide margin support  gay marriage and that is across the board.  It makes no difference if one claims to be a Christian.  90% of young people these days have become sexually active outside of marriage before their 18th birthday.  Most Christian youth cannot honestly claim that sex before marriage is a sin.  Many of these same kids do not believe that the Bible is the inspired and fully inerrant Word of God.

 

In 20 years these liberalized youth will be pastors and  leaders in both our churches and our government.  It is sad to say that in 20 years the Church in America will be apostate.

 

I write this as a plea for us to return to be a Scripture driven Church and a Scripture driven nation.


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I was in Pennsylvania this past week, and heard a news story that said homosexual couples in Pennsylvania had nothing to worry about with regard to gay marriage being banned in the future, as the Governor would not fight a court decision making gay marriage legal in his state.  This was in spite of the fact he didn't agree with it, and the people had voted to ban it.  The people overwhelmingly said they don't want gay marriage in nearly every state in the union, only to have courts overturn their will.  These judges simply make up a phony Constitutional right and change things to how they want it to be.  They are dictators in black robes, and they are controlling the nation.  If the Governors and the people don't care enough to fight them, the nation is basically lost.  Our votes don't matter.  What our elected representatives do doesn't matter.  You can pass laws, only to have dictators in black robes overturn them, and they don't have to have a legitimate reason.  They simply claim something is not Constitutional, and the ignorant masses assume that is the case.  We have been putting up with this all the way back to the 60s with school prayer being taken out of the schools, and it has continued with abominable and unlawful decisions like "Roe vs Wade."  The question to me is what can we do about it?  I am glad Shiloh brought this up, because it is a serious matter, and it does effect everyone. 

 

It wasn't that long ago when there was a couple running a bakery, and they refused to make a wedding cake for a gay marriage.  Judges ruled that they had no choice but to violate their own conscience an make the cake or face a lawsuit for discrimination.  If they served heterosexuals, they had to serve homosexuals.  There was a similar incident involving a wedding photographer as well.  Our rights are being violated to cater to the will of homosexuals that make up roughly 2 to 4 percent of the entire population of this country.  I am concerned about what is coming next.  I can easily see federal judges overturning gay marriage bans across the country, and then taking things further.  They could easily say that if anyone performs marriage ceremonies for heterosexual couples, they have to perform marriage ceremonies for homosexual couples.  What is to stop them from ordering Christian ministers who perform marriages to marry homosexuals?  They can claim that they are performing a ceremony that deals with a state marriage license, and since that is the case, it goes beyond religion.  Long ago, they told the churches that if they promote politics in the pulpit, they are in violation because they get a tax exemption, and the churches quietly complied.  When there is no push back, they take the ground they got and go further.  There is no question something has to be done, and soon, but what? 

 

There are no good answers here.  I have thought of a few possibilities, but they won't be easy, and I don't know how many would actually support these ideas.  1.  Abolish the federal judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme court with a Constitutional Amendment, called for by the states.  This would leave only state judges to be the final authority, and would give supreme power back to the states.  2.  Pull states out of the union and form a new confederacy.  The nation could be split into more than 2 countries.  We have irreconcilable differences, and the only solution may be to split the country up, as Judah and Israel became two nations after the death of Solomon.  3.  You could have the churches ban together and begin a boycott of state marriage licenses.  Continue to marry people in church weddings, but only give them a marriage license recognized by the church and God.  That way the ministers can't be accused of being tied to the state, giving the state control of them.  Again, look at the numbers.  People that are homosexual make up about 2 percent of the population, and those who are bi-sexual about 4 percent.  Of that number, how many want to get married?  I would imagine 1 percent is a high number.  The state makes money off marriage licenses.  If all the churches said enough is enough and that we no longer need state recognition of marriages, perhaps it would get their attention? 

 

As I said, there are no good answers here, but we need to do something.  I would love to hear suggestions.  If you have a better solution than anything I came up with , I would love to hear it.  The church needs to do some serious brain storming, because we are getting to the point where Christians are going to have to continue to face threats from judges to violate their conscience with regard to homosexual issues, or face lawsuits.  If everyone is content with that, and they are fine with performing marriages for sodomite couples, we can do nothing, but if we care, it will be easier to do something now, before homosexual marriages are being forced on all 50 states. 


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I see that and abortion as two major and catastropic things leading to the downfall of the US.  You just can't thumb your nose at God!


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I see that and abortion as two major and catastropic things leading to the downfall of the US.  You just can't thumb your nose at God!

Not just the US. My country supports both as well. We have posters stuck on street lamps, electrical boxes, etc, (cheap posters), advertising safe abortion. (it is obviously back room stuff...). so sad.


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I see that and abortion as two major and catastropic things leading to the downfall of the US.  You just can't thumb your nose at God!

Not just the US. My country supports both as well. We have posters stuck on street lamps, electrical boxes, etc, (cheap posters), advertising safe abortion. (it is obviously back room stuff...). so sad.

 

Wow Fez.....that is soooo sad man....is heartbreaking really....


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There is one option I forgot to mention earlier that I heard suggested by a radio talk show host.  That is nullification.  The states can just declare a decision by a federal judge illegal and refuse to obey it.  Then let the showdown between the state and federal government begin.  I would fully support my state in any effort to stand up to rogue federal judges with regard to abortion or homosexual marriage. 


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I see that and abortion as two major and catastropic things leading to the downfall of the US.  You just can't thumb your nose at God!

Not just the US. My country supports both as well. We have posters stuck on street lamps, electrical boxes, etc, (cheap posters), advertising safe abortion. (it is obviously back room stuff...). so sad.

 

 

Here a pastor changed his gender and was allowed to continue in the office. Wow, Gonna be interesting as a priest in this world. Let us not forget polygamy, or perhaps these days polyamoric relationships which are also time and again advertised with a positive tone, you have Mormons in the US rocking the boat of marriage as well.

 

The gay marriage is just the start. I am a bit worried if one day I will get a call and asked to give my blessing to a man and a horse. You know, in the name of freedom.


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Satan is all about counterfeiting.  Counterfeiters only counterfeit things that are valuable.  What's the point of counterfeiting a one dollar bill?  When I go to the store and hand the cashier a large denomination of money like a $50 bill, she runs a magic marker across it to verify it is genuine.   If I hand her a $5 and two $1 bills she doesn't check to verify those.  There is no major concern that anyone counterfeiting those bills.

 

Gay marriage is Satan's counterfeit to God's original institution.  Many of the more militant supporters of gay marriage understand also how valuable marriage is in terms of how it affects the country.  The goal is to fundamentally remake America and there is nothing more fundamental to our nation than marriage.  Marriage is so important that Satan needs to create a counterfeit version of it.

 

Thanks for the interesting thought. That's a new perspective for me on the issue, and I'm surprised I haven't heard it before. Though I have been listening to some who have pointed out that marriage is a Godly activity and has been defined as MAN and WOMAN, and since that is a position they disagree with, why do they want to have that term connected to their relationship? The main reason to do so is to devalue what genuine marriage is, and that is why they don't want to settle for a new term, such as Civil Union, for the homosexual relationship.


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I see that and abortion as two major and catastropic things leading to the downfall of the US.  You just can't thumb your nose at God!

Not just the US. My country supports both as well. We have posters stuck on street lamps, electrical boxes, etc, (cheap posters), advertising safe abortion. (it is obviously back room stuff...). so sad.

 

 

 

Gay marriage (a slap in God's face) has been legal in Canada for years.  Abortion is legal also

 

The Mulroney government introduced a bill in 1989 to  restrict abortions to those required for health reasons with maximum jail  sentences of two years for doctors who violated the law. The bill passed in the  House of Commons but died on a tie vote in the Senate. Since then, abortion has  been unrestricted in Canada,  legal through all nine months of pregnancy up until the point of birth. Most  abortions are funded by taxpayers through the publicly funded health system.  There are now over 105,000 abortions a year in Canada.  We are one of the few countries in the Western world that does not have any  legal restrictions on abortion


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That is really sad Sevenseas.  I had no idea that gay marriage was legal in Canada.  I knew abortion was legal, but not without restrictions.  How long can nations that continue to sin against God stand before their enemies?  I feel like we are on borrowed time. 


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For years Butero...for years.  

 

I don't think we are on borrowed time, but whatever time is still allowed before God draws the final curtain.

 

I 'feel' the increased demonic activity and the pressures that have increased in daily living.  Every one of us is being tested in one way or another.

 

I pray every day that I do not fall into deception.  There are more false teachers then those who teach the truth.

 

I guess I don't have to say more.

 

But, now is the time to draw as close as we can to the only One who can help us and save us to the end as He promises to do.


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    I would like to see the Body of Christ come together as one. Our guideline must be the Word of God and it rightly divided. Of the 20 some Bible versions I have, I find the KJV to have the most depth.

Thanks Shiloh for bringing this to the forefront again, and others commenting as the media continues to drive God's Truths away from the masses.

Quote, Shiloh OP: "Gay marriage is Satan's counterfeit to God's original institution.  Many of the more militant supporters of gay marriage understand also how valuable marriage is in terms of how it affects the country.  The goal is to fundamentally remake America and there is nothing more fundamental to our nation than marriage Marriage is so important that Satan needs to create a counterfeit version of it.
Those who fight to preserve biblical marriage and those who fight to redefine marriage are fighting to either preserve our country as a bastion of God's Word, or to fundamentally transform our country into a humanistic, anti-God society. 
The promotion of gay marriage requires a rejection of the authority of Scripture to define marriage and human sexuality.   The Bible addresses both, but the gay marriage proponents have responded with the question so characteristic of Satan in the Garden:  "Hath God said...?"
Quote, Shiloh ..."In 20 years these liberalized youth will be pastors and  leaders in both our churches and our government.  (In many ways, they already are brother) It is sad to say that in 20 years the Church in America will be apostate.

I write this as a plea for us to return to be a Scripture driven Church and a Scripture driven nation."

 

Butero, this looks like a few good possible starts for those that are truly still the church, and for the false church system should they repent, and get back to the God of the Bible. I am aware a number of denominations that are now embracing the sin of sodomy, and allow those in this sin to be ordained within their ranks. This in itself is tragic!

 

Quote Butero, post #2: "3.  You could have the churches ban together and begin a boycott of state marriage licenses.  Continue to marry people in church weddings, but only give them a marriage license recognized by the church and God.  That way the ministers can't be accused of being tied to the state, giving the state control of them.  Again, look at the numbers.  People that are homosexual make up about 2 percent of the population, and those who are bi-sexual about 4 percent.  Of that number, how many want to get married?  I would imagine 1 percent is a high number.  The state makes money off marriage licenses.  If all the churches said enough is enough and that we no longer need state recognition of marriages, perhaps it would get their attention?"

 

Not sure about your suggestions 1&2? Although this nation is being torn apart to be sure.

 

Quote Butero, post #6: "...suggested by a radio talk show host.  That is nullification.  The states can just declare a decision by a federal judge illegal and refuse to obey it.  Then let the showdown between the state and federal government begin.  I would fully support my state in any effort to stand up to rogue federal judges with regard to abortion or homosexual marriage."

 

Without repentance in this nation, and any other nation towards our just and holy God, who IS GOD, Satan's flood of evil will continue nearly unhindered.

 

Props to all here not mentioned that are against this and other sinful vices.

God expects those who are His to prayerfully continue loving Him first and foremost, growing in Him and His Truths as outlined in the Bible no matter how unpopular they may be.

 

May we continue to reach out to homosexuals and other sinners calling for their repentance towards God, with Christ and Him crucified for their sin.
Ultimately, this is their only hope in this world, and certainly in the eternal one to come.


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Thanks for the interesting thought. That's a new perspective for me on the issue, and I'm surprised I haven't heard it before. Though I have been listening to some who have pointed out that marriage is a Godly activity and has been defined as MAN and WOMAN, and since that is a position they disagree with, why do they want to have that term connected to their relationship? The main reason to do so is to devalue what genuine marriage is, and that is why they don't want to settle for a new term, such as Civil Union, for the homosexual relationship.

 

 

 

There is another much more heartfelt desire that drives them to have gay marriage instituted.  They want their sin validated as being perfectly acceptable.  They feel that a state and/or federally accepted marriage will de-stigmatize the sin and turn it into a non-sin.


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I will only say this.

 

When a society down through the annals of history is about to fall apart at the seams, is about to be destroyed / judged by God, the homosexuals run rampant and amok in that society.

 

America (my beloved home for which I served with every intention to give my life if necessary) was blessed because it was a nation of Christians. It based its laws and social expectations on Christian principles (not requiring faith in Christ per se but was intolerant of breaking Christian principles) chiefest among them "love thy neighbor as thyself." This meant thinking of others more than self. Or at least as much as self. Then came the ME GENERATION. And my generation methodically dismantled everything the good citizens and military men and women worked and fought and died so hard to preserve. It went under the guise of freedom, but it could have better been called responsibility. And we destroyed it all with our lust for self desires. 

 

We could not combat the strengthening homosexual / perversion tide because we had no moral high ground from which to do combat. And we ignored our prophets who repeatedly warned us about America sliding down this slimy slope. Now they run roughshod over us daily and the only thing left is the full weight of God's judgment.

 

He has to judge America. He blessed America for abiding by his principles. So he has to judge America for thumbing our noses at his principles.

 

I grieved over this for years.

 

Now I only pray.


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This truly is sad. This is an agenda that's been in the works for quite a while now. The secular media is keeping us so distracted that we don't even realize they are not telling us the important issues and even most believers are fast asleep. Our political leaders are just puppets for the most part, being led by the global elite. Our constitution was the only thing standing in the way of their new world order. They want to remove the God Who made this nation great, so they are working from the bottom up, deceiving our kids in school.

The elite also believe that the earth is over-populated, so abortion and homosexuality is being pushed on us, whether we want it or not. Our Pastors are told not to preach on any political matters in the pulpits of America, and it appears that the persecution of Christians is well under way. It seems everyone is so busy with their heads down texting all their friends that life is passing us by. We won't know what hit us until it's too late. Welcome to the time of the end.


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There is one option I forgot to mention earlier that I heard suggested by a radio talk show host.  That is nullification.  The states can just declare a decision by a federal judge illegal and refuse to obey it.  Then let the showdown between the state and federal government begin.  I would fully support my state in any effort to stand up to rogue federal judges with regard to abortion or homosexual marriage. 

 

 

I would fully support that as well, Butero.  These judges have come to think they've the power to make laws; they need a reality check.  I, along with millions of other Americans, am sick of them and want them ousted from their lofty perches.  We can do this.


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I would fully support that as well, Butero.  These judges have come to think they've the power to make laws; they need a reality check.  I, along with millions of other Americans, am sick of them and want them ousted from their lofty perches.  We can do this.

 

 

But we can only do this if godly, moral people take their place.  And in this country, we are no longer offered those types of political candidates.  And even if they were offered, they would be unable to get elected, for a myriad of reasons.  The way yousee it now is the way it will remain, and grow steadily worse.


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This truly is sad. This is an agenda that's been in the works for quite a while now. The secular media is keeping us so distracted that we don't even realize they are not telling us the important issues and even most believers are fast asleep. Our political leaders are just puppets for the most part, being led by the global elite. Our constitution was the only thing standing in the way of their new world order. They want to remove the God Who made this nation great, so they are working from the bottom up, deceiving our kids in school.

The elite also believe that the earth is over-populated, so abortion and homosexuality is being pushed on us, whether we want it or not. Our Pastors are told not to preach on any political matters in the pulpits of America, and it appears that the persecution of Christians is well under way. It seems everyone is so busy with their heads down texting all their friends that life is passing us by. We won't know what hit us until it's too late. Welcome to the time of the end.


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You would be amazed at how many people will say there is no wide-spread persecution of Christians, both in this country, and world-wide.  Are Christians being killed here?  No, not yet.  But the key words are: not yet.  They are be persecuted, here but right now it is a covert and subversive persecution.  But it will get worse and become more overt.

 

As for what I bolded, It is already too late.  As a child of the 60's, I know what hit us, and the fruit of it has resulted in our current moral abyss.  I used to believe that the Rapture was just around the corner, but I am beginning to shy away from that position.  America is rapidly moving to a post-Christian status and we are also going to become a third-world country.  There is no way around that.  But God is working powerfully in other countries that have not seen major Christian movements before, and He will continue to work in areas until those harvests come in full-term.  So the mess here will get much, much worse, and it won't get cleaned up for a long time.


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This truly is sad. This is an agenda that's been in the works for quite a while now. The secular media is keeping us so distracted that we don't even realize they are not telling us the important issues and even most believers are fast asleep. Our political leaders are just puppets for the most part, being led by the global elite. Our constitution was the only thing standing in the way of their new world order. They want to remove the God Who made this nation great, so they are working from the bottom up, deceiving our kids in school.

The elite also believe that the earth is over-populated, so abortion and homosexuality is being pushed on us, whether we want it or not. Our Pastors are told not to preach on any political matters in the pulpits of America, and it appears that the persecution of Christians is well under way. It seems everyone is so busy with their heads down texting all their friends that life is passing us by. We won't know what hit us until it's too late. Welcome to the time of the end.


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You would be amazed at how many people will say there is no wide-spread persecution of Christians, both in this country, and world-wide.  Are Christians being killed here?  No, not yet.  But the key words are: not yet.  They are be persecuted, here but right now it is a covert and subversive persecution.  But it will get worse and become more overt.
 
As for what I bolded, It is already too late.  As a child of the 60's, I know what hit us, and the fruit of it has resulted in our current moral abyss.  I used to believe that the Rapture was just around the corner, but I am beginning to shy away from that position.  America is rapidly moving to a post-Christian status and we are also going to become a third-world country.  There is no way around that.  But God is working powerfully in other countries that have not seen major Christian movements before, and He will continue to work in areas until those harvests come in full-term.  So the mess here will get much, much worse, and it won't get cleaned up for a long time.


Amen, brother. I agree with everything you said.

I believe the Church in America is fast asleep. Most believe they will escape via the rapture before anything bad happens, and I would guess that 9 out of 10 are not prepared, if they are wrong. I, too, believe the collapse of both our economy and nation will come before the rapture. It's sad to think of what might happen to those who saw the storm coming, yet did nothing to prepare so they could endure it. Oh how it hurts to even think that way.


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I see that and abortion as two major and catastropic things leading to the downfall of the US.  You just can't thumb your nose at God!

 

My perspective is a little different. I do not see these issues as leading to the downfall of the U.S., I see them more as symptoms, results, of the downfall of the U.S.


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