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Help... I've recently stopped attending a church that I've been a member of for over 15 years. This church has a special place in my heart. I had our pastor visit our home to pray over it, in Jesus' name. (We had been experiencing some spiritual attacks at home.)

He came over and brought a saved church member. He introduced her as a medium/clairvoyant and said she will help in finding open doors for demonic activity in the home. He also said this person would channel the name of the demon so we know who we were standing aga9inst.

All said and done, my spirit was greatly distraught to learn that he uses a medium to channel the spirit world. While it's NOT necromancy, it is consulting familiar spirits (Deuteronomy 18:11).

I was advised that the Scripture put on my heart while he was here was divisive and likely from the demons. He stated 1 Corinthians 12:10 supports this (root word diskrisis for discerning) and also stated Luke 8, regarding the maniac of Gedara is another that supports it. When I brought questions to him regarding this, I was met with defensiveness, though I came in peace.. I asked genuine questions... For example, the maniac was possessed. This person he brought to our home was not possessed and , in fact, is saved. I've been told I just need to agree to disagree; that this isn't a doctrinal issues and, furthermore, is a common practice in spiritual warfare. So, I post here, in genuine interest and research to understand if I'm misunderstanding God's Word on this topic. Thoughts? Further points to study?
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1 samuel chapters 28-31. Saul didnt do so well messing with witches and familar spirits.

there is no need for anything but The Spiritof God to do spiritual battle. I have experienced What its like to have Jesus speak thru you and have a demon tremble. You do not need to know any demons name. Stay away from those people.
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what they are doing is against the Word, and always ends up being destructive..


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Argh. I don't know. Many times we have faced spiritual attacks in our home, and I have invited prayer warriors to come and pray with me.  The Spirit of God was more than happy to show us anywhere that the enemy attacks were coming from.  Now biblically Jesus asked the name of the Spirit in the man in the Gadarenes and was told it's name was Legion.  Having said that we have to look at Acts 19

Acts 19:13-16Amplified Bible (AMP)

13 Then some of the traveling Jewish exorcists (men who adjure evil spirits) also undertook to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, I solemnly implore and charge you by the Jesus Whom Paul preaches!

14 Seven sons of a certain Jewish chief priest named Sceva were doing this.

15 But [one] evil spirit retorted, Jesus I know, and Paul I know [a]about, but who are you?

16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit dwelt leaped upon them, mastering [b]two of them, and was so violent against them that they dashed out of that house [in fear], stripped naked and wounded.

 

Nowhere in the bible are "mediums and clairvoyants" used and personally I think these things are a form of witchcraft.  Now had the pastor introduced this woman as having a gift of knowledge, or a discernment of spirits then I wouldn't feel so uneasy.  I wonder if you should leave. I wonder if you should go to others in the church and make your concerns known and pray for the revelation of the Holy Spirit?  And if necessary for the removal of this woman who may be a wolf dressed up in sheeps clothing?


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Well, that is defiantly not the gifts of the spirit, If Satan casts out Satan....
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Forgive me for asking, but how does a spiritual attack on a home by a demon manifest itself?


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I also have a question, what did the presence of this medium feel like next to you? I don't know but it sounds to me like your pastor mixes the world with the Word as she does and that's always a dangerous combination, you can't walk one hand with the Lord and the other with the enemy. From what I've read and understand, mediums and clairvoyants originally learned their so called gifts from fallen angels, most have forgotten where this knowledge came from making it easier to fall in that deceiving trap.
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Leave that church. It permits forbidden things and even encourages it. They are not open to correction.


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Please, heed our witness, this is not of God, these supernatural, paranormal abilities are lying wonders to deceive, believe it, it will open doors you do not want opened.

Better to say aloud, The Lord (Christ) rebuke you!

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Well, that is defiantly not the gifts of the spirit, If Satan casts out Satan....

?? Not sure who you are talking to in this one?


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Forgive me for asking, but how does a spiritual attack on a home by a demon manifest itself?

Hey Peace. an attack on my home came through my little girl. She was 4 at the time and her dad had taken her to watch Toy Story. When she came home she was acting out and feeling ill.  I put it down to tiredness and excitement.  But it didn't get better, the next day it was worse and I was afraid for her and had a very uneasy feeling in my spirit. I prayed and asked God that if this was a spiritual attack that my daughter would slap me in the face.  I wanted to make sure of what I was dealing with.  Not more than 5 minutes later, my little one, who had never hit me before, slapped me in the face.  So I prayed Psalm 91 over her, over my home and my family.  There have been other minor things that Satan has tried to use to kill my kids and harm myself and my loved ones, but God is faithful and he has always put the enemy under His feet.


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Well, that is defiantly not the gifts of the spirit, If Satan casts out Satan....

?? Not sure who you are talking to in this one?
That would be man whose Pastor who came into his house. :-)
That would be the OP.
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I don't want the above post to be misconstrued it wasn't posted AT anyone, just my thoughts out loud.
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Heartprint says "Nowhere in the bible are "mediums and clairvoyants" used and personally I think these things are a form of witchcraft.  Now had the pastor introduced this woman as having a gift of knowledge, or a discernment of spirits then I wouldn't feel so uneasy.."

 

 

I know this is going to sound snarky, but I must ask: What does it matter what "label" is applied, aren't the contents the same?


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Leave that church. It permits forbidden things and even encourages it. They are not open to correction.


Agree with Jade.
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I was advised that the Scripture put on my heart while he was here was divisive and likely from the demons.

 

He stated 1 Corinthians 12:10 supports this (root word diskrisis for discerning) and also stated Luke 8, regarding the maniac of Gedara is another that supports it.

 

When I brought questions to him regarding this, I was met with defensiveness, though I came in peace..

 

I asked genuine questions...

 

For example, the maniac was possessed.

 

This person he brought to our home was not possessed and , in fact, is saved.

 

I've been told I just need to agree to disagree;

 

that this isn't a doctrinal issues

 

and, furthermore, is a common practice in spiritual warfare.

 

So, I post here, in genuine interest and research

 

to understand if I'm misunderstanding God's Word on this topic.

 

Thoughts?

 

Further points to study?

 

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Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

 

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

 

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:18-20

 

What~!

 

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14


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Spiritual Warfare: Christians, Demonization and Deliverance
Karl Payne
 

 

I have found that this book is the best advice in dealing with demonic activity.   you can get it at amazon as a kindle book for

$7.69


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Help... I've recently stopped attending a church that I've been a member of for over 15 years. This church has a special place in my heart. I had our pastor visit our home to pray over it, in Jesus' name. (We had been experiencing some spiritual attacks at home.)

He came over and brought a saved church member. He introduced her as a medium/clairvoyant and said she will help in finding open doors for demonic activity in the home. He also said this person would channel the name of the demon so we know who we were standing aga9inst.

All said and done, my spirit was greatly distraught to learn that he uses a medium to channel the spirit world. While it's NOT necromancy, it is consulting familiar spirits (Deuteronomy 18:11).

I was advised that the Scripture put on my heart while he was here was divisive and likely from the demons. He stated 1 Corinthians 12:10 supports this (root word diskrisis for discerning) and also stated Luke 8, regarding the maniac of Gedara is another that supports it. When I brought questions to him regarding this, I was met with defensiveness, though I came in peace.. I asked genuine questions... For example, the maniac was possessed. This person he brought to our home was not possessed and , in fact, is saved. I've been told I just need to agree to disagree; that this isn't a doctrinal issues and, furthermore, is a common practice in spiritual warfare. So, I post here, in genuine interest and research to understand if I'm misunderstanding God's Word on this topic. Thoughts? Further points to study?

 

IF those are the terms that were used I definitely would leave that church and also do some cleansing in your house and yourself. This is clearly from the occult and getting involved with that is a sin in God's eyes. One NEVER 'channels' a demon, if doing deliverance with a person sometimes demons start talking, then it can be interrogated like Jesus did with the Gadarene. I would repent and then renounce any clairvoyance, medium, spiritists, conjuring up demons, witchcraft and all involvement in the occult. Then command it out of yourself (just in case something got in from that session in your house) and then out of your house. Plead the blood of Jesus over yourself  (family) and the house. What was the original problem that you had the pastor come over? 


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