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In Revelation it talks about the Lamb's Book of Life that will be opened on the Day of Judgement. According to Scripture, your name is written in this Book of Life when you accept Jesus as your Savior. Once written in the Book of Life, can your name ever be erased from this Book? Please give Scriptural references that substantiate your viewpoint.

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Revelation 3:5...

All who are victorious will be clothed in white. I will never erase their names from the Book of Life, but I will announce before my Father and his angels that they are mine.

John 15:5-8...

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In Revelation it talks about the Lamb's Book of Life that will be opened on the Day of Judgement. According to Scripture, your name is written in this Book of Life when you accept Jesus as your Savior. Once written in the Book of Life, can your name ever be erased from this Book? Please give Scriptural references that substantiate your viewpoint.

Exodus 32:33 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Apparently, it can be erased.

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In Revelation it talks about the Lamb's Book of Life that will be opened on the Day of Judgement. According to Scripture, your name is written in this Book of Life when you accept Jesus as your Savior. Once written in the Book of Life, can your name ever be erased from this Book? Please give Scriptural references that substantiate your viewpoint.

I used to think that it was impossible to be saved and then unsaved. Though I don't think a true disciple can fall away, I do think that a mere believer can. So what is the difference?

A disciple multiplies his/her "talents". They seek to please the Lord in all areas of life and to grow in His Spirit

A believer is someone who is just being selfish. They bought into Jesus for personal benefits only. Until they begin the road to discipleship, they are in danger of falling away permanently like the first 3 mentioned in the parable of the seed and the sower.

THIS one verse will keep you out of heaven. Hear O Israel!

Matthew 6:15

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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Deuteronomy 29:19-21 (New International Version)

New International Version (NIV)

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not to say im an expert but i can see a couple of things that need addressing.

whysoblind you may want to rethink that scipture.

we can address that if you'd like.

as for the "blotting out..."

that is a tricky verse. you are talking about letters to Churches so before ones tackles this line one has

to look at the verse in it's entirety.

It is an understatement that can go over people's head if their studies only skim surfaces of scripture.

why do you think it says "6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

is it plain enough for one to look, read and make a fast judgement?

this isnt criticism but more to challenge yourself.

well, many people are going to run to documents and get caught in articles verses trying to make themselves grow. who knows.

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I have to disagree. The context of the Old Testament verses is under the old covanent, where you had to sacrifice to atone for your sins. No sacrifice, no forgivnees. (My assumption is that when you sacrified, you acknowledged your sin. If you didn't, than you are spitting in God's face and spurning Him).

However, Jesus came and made a new covanent. John 10:28-30 reads,

"(28)I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, (29) for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father

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Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, so that we never had to do it again. All we had to do was acknowledge our sin and accept that sacrifice, and all sin was forgiven: what you've done, and what you will do. God already knows what's going to happen. I don't see any reason why God would save me, then withdraw his gift simply because I sinned, like He knew I would. (Note this: I am hardly excusing sin, nor asking for God's forgiveness!!)

God bless,

Akiko

to jump in and out out salvation has no weight.

OT saints had to sacrifice more than once.

Christ is ONE sacrifice for the sins. Past present and future.

Jumping in and out of salvation is like taking Christ and

sacrificing him multiple times over and over over the lifespan of one believer.

EVEN IF I WAS (BUT IM NOT) a believer of losing salvation then I would say that ONCE

you've lost it then you're outta here. IMO

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John 15 The Vine and the Branches

1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

can't get much clearer than that.

john 15:5 occurs at the judgement seat of Christ.

not sure if your familiar with what it is.

besides focus on the word "remain" because in KJV it is "abide"....get the essence of it.

Did salvation make you part of the vine?

because even though you are cut off does not mean you were never part of the vine.

I have a rose bush in my garden. If i cut off a branch...it is cut off nevertheless it is still a branch of the rose bush.

If you can approach this way of thought then you will see the judgement seat of Christ.

Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

well if jumping in and out of salvation is cuting and pasting a tree branch over and over

then that should of been fit into the parable. it says cut then chunked in the fire because it didnt bear fruit.

thats why im saying the judgement seat of Christ.

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

well if jumping in and out of salvation is cuting and pasting a tree branch over and over

then that should of been fit into the parable. it says cut then chunked in the fire because it didnt bear fruit.

thats why im saying the judgement seat of Christ.

In horticulture, and especially with vines, like tomatos, grapes ect, you have what you call suckers. They produce nothing and suck life from the main vine. The horticulturist will prune those suckers and you burn them to prevent any disease transfer to another plants.

Those who claim to be christian, but haven't been saved, only act like it would be like these suckers.

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

well if jumping in and out of salvation is cuting and pasting a tree branch over and over

then that should of been fit into the parable. it says cut then chunked in the fire because it didnt bear fruit.

thats why im saying the judgement seat of Christ.

In horticulture, and especially with vines, like tomatos, grapes ect, you have what you call suckers. They produce nothing and suck life from the main vine. The horticulturist will prune those suckers and you burn them to prevent any disease transfer to another plants.

Those who claim to be christian, but haven't been saved, only act like it would be like these suckers.

now we have 3 different interpretations going about a vine. :21: ... 3xR0c|<stAr

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In Revelation it talks about the Lamb's Book of Life that will be opened on the Day of Judgement. According to Scripture, your name is written in this Book of Life when you accept Jesus as your Savior. Once written in the Book of Life, can your name ever be erased from this Book? Please give Scriptural references that substantiate your viewpoint.

Exodus 32:33 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Apparently, it can be erased.

I've seen a lot of nice statements that God won't blot a name out of his book, yet scriptures indicate he will and has.

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

well if jumping in and out of salvation is cuting and pasting a tree branch over and over

then that should of been fit into the parable. it says cut then chunked in the fire because it didnt bear fruit.

thats why im saying the judgement seat of Christ.

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise, thou also shall be cut off.

Even if you have been graffed in you can be cut off.

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In Revelation it talks about the Lamb's Book of Life that will be opened on the Day of Judgement. According to Scripture, your name is written in this Book of Life when you accept Jesus as your Savior. Once written in the Book of Life, can your name ever be erased from this Book? Please give Scriptural references that substantiate your viewpoint.

Exodus 32:33 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Apparently, it can be erased.

I've seen a lot of nice statements that God won't blot a name out of his book, yet scriptures indicate he will and has.

No, it doesn't.

:21:

The scripture in Revelations says if we overcome we won't be blotted out of his book, and the scripture in Exodus 32:33 has God saying he will blot out the names of those who sinned against him, speaking of those who committed idolatry. That is adequate proof a name can be removed from the Book of Life. If you disagree, please explain?

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

well if jumping in and out of salvation is cuting and pasting a tree branch over and over

then that should of been fit into the parable. it says cut then chunked in the fire because it didnt bear fruit.

thats why im saying the judgement seat of Christ.

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise, thou also shall be cut off.

Even if you have been graffed in you can be cut off.

this is the relationship between gentile and jews. go back to v.13

has nothing to do with personal salvation. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

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I believe that no one can take your name from the book or make you do anything out of your control to take your name from the book, but you can certainly walk away from the Faith and let God erase your name from the Book.

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I believe that no one can take your name from the book or make you do anything out of your control to take your name from the book, but you can certainly walk away from the Faith and let God erase your name from the Book.

Shalom,

In a nutshell, yes. Precisely.

However, if we are just loving G-d with all our heart and soul and might then we won't walk away from Him and we won't have to worry about having our name blotted out. :thumbsup:

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Greetings to All,

Isn't there something in the Bible written in Red ( Luke 9:62) about a person putting their hand to the plough and then looking back then the verse goes on to say a little something about them not being fit for the Kingdom.

But I guess the One Who Spoke it wasn't talking about His Followers and certainly that doesn't apply to God's Kingdom WELL DUH!

DUGMANDO

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Because if i accept your losing salvation theory then the last time i checked..if one

cuts a branch, you cant paste it back on. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Uhmmm technically you can! You can graft a cut branch. In fact, the vine that christ talks about is the House of Judah, and the christian gentiles are grafted into that vine as the house of israel. Sooooo based on that, you can cut a branch and graft it into another.

well if jumping in and out of salvation is cuting and pasting a tree branch over and over

then that should of been fit into the parable. it says cut then chunked in the fire because it didnt bear fruit.

thats why im saying the judgement seat of Christ.

In horticulture, and especially with vines, like tomatos, grapes ect, you have what you call suckers. They produce nothing and suck life from the main vine. The horticulturist will prune those suckers and you burn them to prevent any disease transfer to another plants.

Those who claim to be christian, but haven't been saved, only act like it would be like these suckers.

:thumbsup:

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Greetings to All,

Isn't there something in the Bible written in Red ( Luke 9:62) about a person putting their hand to the plough and then looking back then the verse goes on to say a little something about them not being fit for the Kingdom.

But I guess the One Who Spoke it wasn't talking about His Followers and certainly that doesn't apply to God's Kingdom WELL DUH!

DUGMANDO

Luke 9:62...

But Jesus told him,

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The scripture in Revelations says if we overcome we won't be blotted out of his book, and the scripture in Exodus 32:33 has God saying he will blot out the names of those who sinned against him, speaking of those who committed idolatry. That is adequate proof a name can be removed from the Book of Life. If you disagree, please explain?

its not a matter of explaining. it depends how deep you dig in scripture.

you have to think of the letters in this manner.

1. whatever you interpret has to fit all scripture and make sure there are no contradictions

2. you have to understand that this is a letter to Christians PLUS it has to fit what happened historically to Sardis.

i can add more numbers but dont know if you know the significance of the letters.

"he that has an ear then let them hear...."

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Greetings to All,

Isn't there something in the Bible written in Red ( Luke 9:62) about a person putting their hand to the plough and then looking back then the verse goes on to say a little something about them not being fit for the Kingdom.

But I guess the One Who Spoke it wasn't talking about His Followers and certainly that doesn't apply to God's Kingdom WELL DUH!

DUGMANDO

Luke 9:62...

But Jesus told him,

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Even if you do interpret the John 15 passage that way, the idea contradicts the very foundation of Jesus' preaching.

As has been said... having to be saved multiple times (sinning and getting blotted out of the Book, then repenting and getting back in) means that Jesus' first sacrifice wasn't good enough. It can't cover our sins. Which is a total falsehood; Jesus was the perfect sacrifice.

He covers all of our sins, what we've done and what we will do. God knows that we will sin. If God knew that He was going to blot us out of the Book, why would be save us in the first place?

Jesus preached that you were saved by grace and mercy, not by earning it. The Bible says, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." I'd like to note that it doesn't say, "Unless you're already a Christian, you will have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Otherwise, you've got to be perfect." It says that everyone has. God forgives us multiple times, as Jesus says when he talks about the seventy times seven... which hardly means that you should forgive your friends 490 times, and on the 491st... you're toasted. Turn your back and refuse to forgive. Jesus implied that you were to forgive them so many times, it could not be counted.

Another main point that has been glossed over is that Jesus made a NEW covanent, so that we didn't have to sacrifice to atone for our sins. It's already done. We don't have to worry about it. Quite honestly, this seems to me like a human trying to be "good enough" for God to keep them. Sorry if I stepped on your toes there. :thumbsup:

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