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The Gospel for a Gay Friend

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For many of my Christian friends who love Jesus and struggle with same-sex attraction, the beauty of the gospel is that it addresses every area of their life, not just one expression of the fall. All believers know this truth. Whether we were once atheists, liars, Muslims, or self-righteous church attenders, there's no magical gospel just for "our sin." At the foot of the cross we are all equally in need of God's amazing grace.

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Amen~~!



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Amen from me, too. "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."



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I believe that people can call themselves of Christ and be gay at the same time. Christ loved all.

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I believe that people can call themselves of Christ and be gay at the same time. Christ loved all.

But Jesus hates the sin of homosexuality.   You cannot be a practicing homosexual and an authentic follower of Jesus.  



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I believe that people can call themselves of Christ and be gay at the same time. Christ loved all.

"Can call themselves...." Change is not a requirement for salvation, but a result of it. We repent and change out of gratitude to Christ for saving us, not to maintain our salvation. Darkness cannot occupy the same space as light; light chases darkness away as the dawn chases away the night. GOD is light. Jesus is GOD. If you think that GOD feels any different about homoexuality now than He did before, than you don't know GOD.



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I believe that people can call themselves of Christ and be gay at the same time. Christ loved all.

But Jesus hates the sin of homosexuality.   You cannot be a practicing homosexual and an authentic follower of Jesus.  

 

 

No, that's true. Every gay Christian has to make a serious effort to abandon their homosexual activity, which I would imagine can be extremely difficult, but then again other people who are not homosexual have their own difficulties too.

Homosexuality is a psychological disorder caused by Satanic influences but Jesus can get rid of all that.



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I believe that people can call themselves of Christ and be gay at the same time. Christ loved all.

But Jesus hates the sin of homosexuality.   You cannot be a practicing homosexual and an authentic follower of Jesus.  

 

 

No, that's true. Every gay Christian has to make a serious effort to abandon their homosexual activity, which I would imagine can be extremely difficult, but then again other people who are not homosexual have their own difficulties too.

Homosexuality is a psychological disorder caused by Satanic influences but Jesus can get rid of all that.

 

"Gay Christian" is a contradiction in terms.   There are NO practicing gays who are Christians, not a single one.  Anyone who practices that sin and claims to be a Christian is either lying or seriously deceived.

 

The Bible says that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the KIngdom of God. (I Cor.6:9).   There may be practicing gays who are Christian "religionists," but there are no practicing gays who are also authentic followers of Jesus Christ.

 

Homosexuality is a spiritual stronghold that only Jesus can deliver from.  There is no personal behavioral reform a homosexual can engage in that will suffice.  



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I still don't get your damnation of homosexuality. It's hardly mentioned in the Bible, IIRC it's only mentioned in Leviticus and Romans.

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I still don't get your damnation of homosexuality. It's hardly mentioned in the Bible, IIRC it's only mentioned in Leviticus and Romans.

God calls it an abomination.  How many times does it have to be mentinoed in the Bible to be a sin.  I condemn it because God's condemns it says He hates it.  I love the homosexual community, but I hate their sin and their lifestyle.

 

People who coddle gays, especially people who claim to love them, are the homosexual's worst enemies.  Christians who tell the homosexual community that they are just fine and that they are not sinning and make them comfortable in their sin, are worse than the Nazis.  Christians who enable and support homosexuality and gay marriage are helping gay people go to hell.   Paul says that those who are gay will not inherit the Kingdom of God.  (I Cor. 6:9)    These Christians will have the blood of homosexual community on their hands because they enabled these people to go to hell.

 

The most loving thing you can do for a gay person is to confront them about their sn and point them to Jesus.   If you love them you won't let them die without hearing the Gospel and that Jesus can deliver them from their perversion.

 

If you don't love them, tell them that God doesn't care about their lifestyle and that it's okay to be a homosexual and that its not a sin and sing them to sleep as they move closer and closer to hell.



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Are the following terms contradictions:

Lying Christian
Fat Christian
Lustful Christian
Gossip Christian
Prideful Christian

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Are the following terms contradictions:

Lying Christian
Fat Christian
Lustful Christian
Gossip Christian
Prideful Christian

The Bible says that no one who practices sin is born of God (I John 3:9)   A person who lives in habitual sin and claims to be a Christian needs to reexamine the authenticity of their profession of faith.   So a person who lives in pride, gossip, lying, lust and has no self control with food, alcohol, or anything else and can live that way with no moral compunction about their behavior, is most likely not a authentic follower of Jesus.

 

I would change "fat Christian"  to something else, because not all fat people are that way due to overeating.



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Are we missing an important element here?  The issue is extremely complex, requiring all sorts of nuances.

 

All Christians are to some extent sinners; either in morals or maybe even in ideas (I am an OEarther, and perhaps others would not call that a sin; still they think it an error)

 

All sins and errors (I presume--maybe even heaven has some form of growth in the intellect) must be purged in Christ before entrance into the new creation.

 

Therefore, I think no one would doubt that each adjective in the following list must be removed at some point (this life, or upon death, or upon the resurrection)

 

gluttonous Christian

gossiping christian

pornographic christian

kleptomaniac Christian

 

But my guess is few would deny the "Christian" label on account of the "sin" attached to it.  That is, their vices do not invalidate their belief in Christ.  If it did, we are all doomed and there can be no such thing as grace.

 

Most here would also say the homosexual Christian must, at some point, be relieved of his or her same-sex attractions.

 

However, things get a little more complicated.

 

There are a good many people who are convinced that homosexuality is not wrong---that the relevant passages in Scripture are talking about something else (sex in a temple) and not marriage between two consenting and faithful persons.  One can say that in fact they "know" deep down, that it is wrong; but I lack the powers of psychological analysis (or mind-reading) implied in that claim.  So the question is,

 

Does a person practicing a homosexual lifestyle (let's omit all factors like promiscuous sex and keep it to marriage) still have a relationship with Christ if he or she claims faith in Christ? Does Christ acknowledge him or her as a disciple, yet in major error in this regard?

 

I struggle to find an analogy here, for I know no one who would say the addictions of porn, or gambling, or gluttony are anything other than addictions. The parallel I seek is one in which the vice is not suspected as a vice....

 

The only parallel I can think of is no doubt the result of too many readings on this site:   I am an OEarther and believe in some form of evolution; yet I (erroneously to some) still think I support the authority of Scripture, though I interpret Genesis differently.  This is obviously not a moral error, but an intellectual one (again, to those who disagree).  If I am wrong, then I presume by the time I get to heaven, my error will have been set straight.....

 

....am I still a Christian?  Is Christ still operating on my being through faith....

 

....is the homosexual Christian still a Christian; does his or her belief in the appropriateness of homosexuality completely invalidate his or her faith in Christ?

 

apologies if that was convoluted.  I am sick in bed and very tired.....but bored, so I write.

 

 

clb


Edited by ConnorLiamBrown, 01 February 2014 - 05:33 PM.


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Are we missing an important element here?  The issue is extremely complex, requiring all sorts of nuances.

 

It's not complex at all, unless you want to muddy water and manufacture problems that don't exist.

 

All Christians are to some extent sinners; either in morals or maybe even in ideas (I am an OEarther, and perhaps others would not call that a sin; still they think it an error)

 

All Christians are sinners in the sense that were all born sinners and separated from God and now we have been legally declared right before God.  Sin has not yet been eradicated from our lives and all Christians still sin from time to time in a sincere attempt to serve God.   But there is a difference between stumbling while trying to serve God and practicing habitual sin as a lifestyle.

Therefore, I think no one would doubt that each adjective in the following list must be removed at some point (this life, or upon death, or upon the resurrection)

 

gluttonous Christian

gossiping christian

pornographic christian

kleptomaniac Christian

 

But my guess is few would deny the "Christian" label on account of the "sin" attached to it.  That is, their vices do not invalidate their belief in Christ.  If it did, we are all doomed and there can be no such thing as grace.

 

All of those are contradictions in terms.   Can Christians stumble in those areas?   Yes and they do.  But there is a difference between committing a sin and living in sin as a lifestyle, as I mentioned above.   If someone can live habitually in sin and enjoy it, they need to reexamne the authenticity of their profession of faith.   A person who lives in pornography, a person who habitually steals, who regularly and inpenitently sows discord through gossip, a person with no self-control over their most base appetites needs to get right with the Lord. 

 

I would also point out that living in sin doesn't ususaly encompass just one type of behavior.   A person living in the sin pornography ususally has other things going on as well, that they are living in that are just as sinful. Sin takes over your entire life, not just one part of it.

 

Does a person practicing a homosexual lifestyle (let's omit all factors like promiscuous sex and keep it to marriage) still have a relationship with Christ if he or she claims faith in Christ? Does Christ acknowledge him or her as a disciple, yet in major error in this regard?

 

No, because the first thing Jesus requires of a person who wishes to become His disciple is that they repent of their sin.   Jesus expects them to make the quality decision to turn from their sin and after that Jesus expects that they will bear the fruit of repentence.   They need to first of all realize that homosexuality is a sin, and that their sin separates them from God and they need turn from it.   And if they have repented from the heart and truly turn from their sin to serve God it will show up in their lives.

 

Jesus is not going to accept them as His disciples while tolerating their homosexual lifestyle.  That is not how it works.  There is no pardon from sin without first their being genuine repentence ake place.   Jesus doesn't tolerate sin.  If He did, then there would have been no reason for Him to die to save us from sin, in the first place.

 

....is the homosexual Christian still a Christian; does his or her belief in the appropriateness of homosexuality completely invalidate his or her faith in Christ?

 

There is no such thing as a "homosexual" Christian,  it doesn't matter what sin you tack on to the title of "Christian," the result is the same.   It is a contradiction to think that person can live in habitual, unrepentant sin and still claim to be an authentic follower of Jesus.  One reason the Church is so messed up today is that we have allowed people to remain comfortable in their sin.   Preachers have abandoned the Gospel to preach on things like, managing finances, how to find happiness, how to make your dreams come true, and they no longer preach on sin, on the coming judgment.   They never talk about man's accountability before a holy God and that they don't tell people what it really means and how much it really costs to serve Jesus.  Preachers preach what sells, not what is true.

 

The Bible says this:

 

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.1Jn 3:9

 

The person who thinks they can live anyway they want and that Jesus will accept them based on a verbal profession of faith without the need to repent or be transformed is a sorely deceived person.   Those who practice sin are not Christians, bottom line.



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I don't think you can be a gay Christian but isn't God forgiving?



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I don't think you can be a gay Christian but isn't God forgiving?

 

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Gay With Abstinence, Straight With Fidelity To One Wife Or Celibate

 

For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 (ESV)

 

I Don't Think A Christian Can Be Anything

 

Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. James 4:4

 

If Not Joyful

 

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Psalms 103:12



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I don't think you can be a gay Christian but isn't God forgiving?

only if you stop the action that he would forgive you for.



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I don't think you can be a gay Christian but isn't God forgiving?

Yes, but first a person has to recognize they have sinned and be willing to repent.  Forgiveness cannot be realized by us unless we repent and turn from our evil ways.  



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I don't think you can be a gay Christian but isn't God forgiving?

only if you stop the action that he would forgive you for.

But then technically, that's not an all loving God. I thought that God forgave even if you still repeated the same mistake over and over again.

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I don't think you can be a gay Christian but isn't God forgiving?

only if you stop the action that he would forgive you for.

But then technically, that's not an all loving God. I thought that God forgave even if you still repeated the same mistake over and over again.

 

Where does the bible say that? You asked in a previous thread what verse you should start with? I told you to pray. My advice is to pray, and perhaps do a study on forgiveness as well?






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