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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

God is wiser and smarter than you give him credit for.  Look at the earth today,  We are no where near over-crowding that is with only 30% dry land.  Imagine when most of the earth wasn't covered by water.  There would be hundreds of times more land than what we have now.  Overcrowding isn't an issue.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

God is wiser and smarter than you give him credit for.  Look at the earth today,  We are no where near over-crowding that is with only 30% dry land.  Imagine when most of the earth wasn't covered by water.  There would be hundreds of times more land than what we have now.  Overcrowding isn't an issue.

 

He does have a point, though. If nobody died ever, the population would have grown much faster than it does now.  And the Earth may be really big, but eventually it would fill up, even if it was 100% land.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

God is wiser and smarter than you give him credit for.  Look at the earth today,  We are no where near over-crowding that is with only 30% dry land.  Imagine when most of the earth wasn't covered by water.  There would be hundreds of times more land than what we have now.  Overcrowding isn't an issue.

 

Of course it would have been an issue! If no one had died in the history of the Earth then it would have been full by now. Even if it wasn't, it would have became full eventually. That is a fact you can't deny when there is no death... If there is a limited value of space on the earth, shared by a constantly growing number of people (if there was no death it would have been an even faster growth) then eventually the number of people would have became so great that there would be no more space left. 

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

God is wiser and smarter than you give him credit for.  Look at the earth today,  We are no where near over-crowding that is with only 30% dry land.  Imagine when most of the earth wasn't covered by water.  There would be hundreds of times more land than what we have now.  Overcrowding isn't an issue.

 

He does have a point, though. If nobody died ever, the population would have grown much faster than it does now.  And the Earth may be really big, but eventually it would fill up, even if it was 100% land.

 

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

 

Oh, so you are going to have a group of people who don't know the difference between good and evil  judge anything......    Really????

 

Sometimes you just have to use common sense in things........   if you have any.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

 

Oh, so you are going to have a group of people who don't know the difference between good and evil  judge anything......    Really????

 

Sometimes you just have to use common sense in things........   if you have any.

 

Did God decide that we would judge the Angels before or after the fall?

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

 

Oh, so you are going to have a group of people who don't know the difference between good and evil  judge anything......    Really????

 

Sometimes you just have to use common sense in things........   if you have any.

 

Did God decide that we would judge the Angels before or after the fall?

 

it's my personal belief that he decided that before Genesis 1:1

 

I believe that this whole seven thousand year program is to deal with Satan.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

 

Oh, so you are going to have a group of people who don't know the difference between good and evil  judge anything......    Really????

 

Sometimes you just have to use common sense in things........   if you have any.

 

Did God decide that we would judge the Angels before or after the fall?

 

it's my personal belief that he decided that before Genesis 1:1

 

I believe that this whole seven thousand year program is to deal with Satan.

 

I think you have to be careful when you have beliefs outside of what the Bible explicitly states is the truth. So you don't think he made us because he wanted to have a relationship with us? It seems very bizarre to me that we would only be here to deal with Satan. If that were true, I would find it hard coming to terms with that; it seems so cold-hearted and unloving to me. It would almost seem that he is using us for his own selfish reasons, and of course that cannot be the case.

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

 

Oh, so you are going to have a group of people who don't know the difference between good and evil  judge anything......    Really????

 

Sometimes you just have to use common sense in things........   if you have any.

 

Who said that Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil???  You are really jumping to some unfounded conclusions.  Talk about a lack of commonsense.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

God is wiser and smarter than you give him credit for.  Look at the earth today,  We are no where near over-crowding that is with only 30% dry land.  Imagine when most of the earth wasn't covered by water.  There would be hundreds of times more land than what we have now.  Overcrowding isn't an issue.

 

He does have a point, though. If nobody died ever, the population would have grown much faster than it does now.  And the Earth may be really big, but eventually it would fill up, even if it was 100% land.

 

Yes and that fact would not take an all-knowing God by surprise would it??    God knew the future and created our planet just they way it needed to be to accommodate all of the life it needed to accommodate.  So even if God knew that man would not have ever sinned and thus never died, He would have prepared a planet commiserate with that reality as well.

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If Lucifer was allowed to test us and tempt us then why would that not be part of God's plan? We were given free will because God wants a father-child relationship with us, not a master-slave one. The best loyalty comes from them who chose it, not those who are coerced into giving it.

This time on Earth is a test. Satan is the perfect tool for that test. We may suffer because of it, but we will receive a great reward.

Even those who betrayed God and followed Satan will still get their reward (if they repent) because they have learned the hard way that Satan is a cruel father to have.

 

As for over-population, who knows what God could have planned for that? There are lots of options he could have taken. Sex-drive disappears completely as there is no longer a need for it- humans become sterile - the World expands in size - God creates more Earths for us to colonise... and so on.

We have never been told of his entire plan - so far he has not revealed it to us. We can only speculate.

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Blessings Peteeeer!

    I don't really have too much to add to what many have already said,,,,I really don't think so because God does everything perfectly according to "His Plan"......I believe also what took place in the Garden of Eden was also part of His Plan............as Oakwood is saying,God gave us free will and wants our love...to be faithful & obedient  because we love Him,to revere Him because we love Him,to Praise,Worship & honor Him because we love Him..................if He simply wanted those things He could have created a race of robots to do His bidding without love,a certain amount of people that did not pro-create..............but He did not & whatever He does do ,is Perfection according to His Plan,Glory be to God!

    I just really wanted to Welcome you to Worthy,God Bless you & praise the Lord!

                                                                                                                                                             With love-in Christ,Kwik

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I believe he had a plan, but he describes what he had created as 'good' therefore nothing would have needed to change because it was perfect. Am I correct in saying that? If so, then if we had kept reproducing, wouldn't we eventually have too many people living on the Earth? We would have either had to stop having children or the earth would have had to be made bigger. It just seems to me that nothing should have to change when his original plan was perfect..

 

I think I would have to disagree with that....     I truly believe that God intended for Adam and Eve to fail and have Lucifer/Satan responsible for them knowing good from evil...    When he made Adam and Eve they were not qualified to be any kind of judge.....   and since we are told by Paul that we are going to judge the angels, I would find it rather stretching for him to make us not capable of doing that....   just as I think it is beyond a stretch to think he just decided for us to to the judging as a secondary thought after we fell.

 

At the end of the sixth day, everything was set and it was actually well.    The trap for Satan had been set and he fell right into it...   and as they say the rest is history.

 

That is not biblical.  There is nothing in Scripture to support the notion that God "intended" for Adam and Eve to fall.  Man had to fall in order to be  qualified to judge angels???  Where does that find any support in the Bible???   The fall of man was not a trap for Satan and the Bible says no such thing.   You really have  to go around the Bible to arrive at all of that stuff, 'cause you won't get it from the Bible, that is for sure.

 

The crisis of doctrinal purity in the Church  is soooo evident these days

 

Oh, so you are going to have a group of people who don't know the difference between good and evil  judge anything......    Really????

 

Sometimes you just have to use common sense in things........   if you have any.

 

Who said that Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil???  You are really jumping to some unfounded conclusions.  Talk about a lack of commonsense.

 

I agree. Essentially in the beginning God had defined and provided the knowledge of what was good, and thus he had the knowledge of what was good and evil. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was basically representing a choice; do we trust God's definition of good and evil, or are we going to seize the opportunity and try and define it for ourselves? We of course know what they chose to do. The basic point is that we thought we knew better than God (thought we had a better understanding of good and evil), and thus we obviously had some knowledge of good and evil. Otherwise how would we have sinned if we didn't have any knowledge of good and evil? It would, at most, have been an 'accidental' sin when Adam and Eve sinned, and that doesn't make any sense.

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If Lucifer was allowed to test us and tempt us then why would that not be part of God's plan? We were given free will because God wants a father-child relationship with us, not a master-slave one. The best loyalty comes from them who chose it, not those who are coerced into giving it.

This time on Earth is a test. Satan is the perfect tool for that test. We may suffer because of it, but we will receive a great reward.

Even those who betrayed God and followed Satan will still get their reward (if they repent) because they have learned the hard way that Satan is a cruel father to have.

 

As for over-population, who knows what God could have planned for that? There are lots of options he could have taken. Sex-drive disappears completely as there is no longer a need for it- humans become sterile - the World expands in size - God creates more Earths for us to colonise... and so on.

We have never been told of his entire plan - so far he has not revealed it to us. We can only speculate.

In my eyes there can really be only two options:

 

1 - He knew what we were going to sin, and thus death would be part of his plan, and therefore the issue is completely irrelevant.

 

OR

 

2 - Like you said, there would be some sort of adaptations. However, this seems odd that his creation would need to adapt when it was described by Himself as 'good'. This implies to me that it doesn't need to be changed because he made it how he thought was best. To change it later on would imply that the original plan was short-sighted.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

No, because there was more dry land than there is now.  The topography of the earth was completely different than it is now.  Much of what was dry land before Noah's flood is now under water. So there would be plenty of land for people to live on had man never sinned.

 

The Earth would still become full, it would just take longer in that case.

 

God is wiser and smarter than you give him credit for.  Look at the earth today,  We are no where near over-crowding that is with only 30% dry land.  Imagine when most of the earth wasn't covered by water.  There would be hundreds of times more land than what we have now.  Overcrowding isn't an issue.

 

He does have a point, though. If nobody died ever, the population would have grown much faster than it does now.  And the Earth may be really big, but eventually it would fill up, even if it was 100% land.

 

Yes and that fact would not take an all-knowing God by surprise would it??    God knew the future and created our planet just they way it needed to be to accommodate all of the life it needed to accommodate.  So even if God knew that man would not have ever sinned and thus never died, He would have prepared a planet commiserate with that reality as well.

 

 

Of course it wouldn't take God by surprise.  Nobody is suggesting that.

 

  The OP was a hypothetical "What if..." There is no way for us to actually know the answer to this, so we are all speculating here.

 

If the fall of man (and the curse of death) never happened, the population of humans and animals would increase far more rapidly then they do now.  The earth as it was in the beginning would have filled up rapidly.  However, our knowledge and understanding of the universe would increase as well from our time spent walking with God and, you know, not dying.  I think space travel and expansion to other planets would be entirely plausible.  Might possibly be the purpose for those distant planets.

 

I think you're suggesting here that God would have designed a different world if things had gone different in Eden.  I don't see how that's really necessary.  Also, does that mean this world wasn't good enough?

 

Food for thought. ;)

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Of course it wouldn't take God by surprise.  Nobody is suggesting that.

 

  The OP was a hypothetical "What if..." There is no way for us to actually know the answer to this, so we are all speculating here.

 

If the fall of man (and the curse of death) never happened, the population of humans and animals would increase far more rapidly then they do now.  The earth as it was in the beginning would have filled up rapidly.  However, our knowledge and understanding of the universe would increase as well from our time spent walking with God and, you know, not dying.  I think space travel and expansion to other planets would be entirely plausible.  Might possibly be the purpose for those distant planets.

 

No, outer space was really meant to show us His glory.  We ignored its real purpose in exchange for humanistic sci-fi nonsense.

 

I think you're suggesting here that God would have designed a different world if things had gone different in Eden.  I don't see how that's really necessary.  Also, does that mean this world wasn't good enough?

 

If God knew that man would never sin, the of course we would have a planet that would accommodate that reality.  That is just commonsense.  God prepared an earth to accommodate what he knew would be.  It would still be just as perfect as this earth was originally for the reality it would face in terms of population growth.

 

Food for thought. ;)

 

Not hardly.

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When the world was perfect (before sin), there was obviously no death; so wouldn't the world have became too full eventually?

 

:thumbsup:

 

Evidently

 

And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Genesis 5:34

 

Not

 

Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for as the waters fill the sea, so the earth will be filled with people who know the LORD.  Isaiah 11:9 (NLT)

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....Also, does that mean this world wasn't good enough...

 

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Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.

 

For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

 

The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever. 1 John 2:15-17 (NIV)

 

Enough?

 

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.

 

The earth and the heavens fled from his presence,

 

and there was no place for them. Revelation 20:11 (NIV)

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Of course it wouldn't take God by surprise.  Nobody is suggesting that.

 

  The OP was a hypothetical "What if..." There is no way for us to actually know the answer to this, so we are all speculating here.

 

If the fall of man (and the curse of death) never happened, the population of humans and animals would increase far more rapidly then they do now.  The earth as it was in the beginning would have filled up rapidly.  However, our knowledge and understanding of the universe would increase as well from our time spent walking with God and, you know, not dying.  I think space travel and expansion to other planets would be entirely plausible.  Might possibly be the purpose for those distant planets.

No, outer space was really meant to show us His glory.  We ignored its real purpose in exchange for humanistic sci-fi nonsense.

 

What's wrong with science fiction...? :huh:  And how is my suggestion of space travel humanistic or nonsensical?  I merely suggested that they were more than just cosmic wallpaper.

 

Sure, the heavens declare His glory, but so do we. So do the trees and the animals and the oxygen atom and the dirt.   Doesn't meant that's their only purpose.

 

 

 

I think you're suggesting here that God would have designed a different world if things had gone different in Eden.  I don't see how that's really necessary.  Also, does that mean this world wasn't good enough?

If God knew that man would never sin, the of course we would have a planet that would accommodate that reality.  That is just commonsense.  God prepared an earth to accommodate what he knew would be.  It would still be just as perfect as this earth was originally for the reality it would face in terms of population growth.

 

I really don't see how you could know that for sure.  Your guess is just as good as mine. :)

 

 

 

Food for thought. ;)

Not hardly.

 

Um...what exactly was the point of this other than belittling my opinion? :huh:

 

'Tis funny.  I think I joined this conversation by agreeing with you.  What happened?

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....Also, does that mean this world wasn't good enough...

 

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Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.

 

For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

 

The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever. 1 John 2:15-17 (NIV)

 

Enough?

 

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.

 

The earth and the heavens fled from his presence,

 

and there was no place for them. Revelation 20:11 (NIV)

 

 

I wasn't referring to the state of the world now, but before the fall.  The one that God said was good.  It has been suggested that it wasn't good enough.  I was just clarifying. :)

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What's wrong with science fiction...? :huh:  And how is my suggestion of space travel humanistic or nonsensical?

 

My point is that science fiction is rooted in a humanistic worldview.  Star Trek is one of the most humanistic series around.

 

 

I merely suggested that they were more than just cosmic wallpaper.

 

Sure, the heavens declare His glory, but so do we. So do the trees and the animals and the oxygen atom and the dirt.   Doesn't meant that's their only purpose.

 

Our location in the galaxy places us in the ideal location to see the universe, hence to see God's glory in all he made.  The end purpose of all things is to glorify God.  That is why we were made.

 

I really don't see how you could know that for sure.  Your guess is just as good as mine. :)

 

I am not guessing at all.  I don't have to.  We serve an all-knowing God who made a universe and planet perfect for our survival.  He thought of everything and it was perfect the first day it was made.   He made it fully capable of handling what it needs to handle   Had things turned out differently, had man not sinned, God would have had this planet prepared for that eventuality as well.  How does one even suggest that to be guesswork.  I guess you just have to know Him.

 

Um...what exactly was the point of this other than belittling my opinion?

 

You claimed that I suggested that the previous earth wasn't good enough which I never said.  You said your response was "food for thought."   And it wasn't.  It was rather poor theology and  a misrepresentation of what I said.

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What's wrong with science fiction...? :huh:  And how is my suggestion of space travel humanistic or nonsensical?

My point is that science fiction is rooted in a humanistic worldview.  Star Trek is one of the most humanistic series around.

 

You know it's fiction, right?  As in 'not true'.  Like most fiction, there's a deeper meaning below the surface.

 

I had one of my greatest spiritual epiphanies watching Star Trek.  The one with Patrick Stewart, not the original ('twas before my time).  I was about five years old in my pajamas, watching TV with my dad.  I asked him a million questions about singularities, and Klingons and why did they just call the sun a star?  I remember one day he explained to me what a galaxy was.  Blew my inquisitive little mind.  Then he took me out to the backyard and we looked at Andromeda and the Milky Way together.  "You mean galaxies are REAL?!  And God made all that?!  Whoa..."

 

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I merely suggested that they were more than just cosmic wallpaper.

 

Sure, the heavens declare His glory, but so do we. So do the trees and the animals and the oxygen atom and the dirt.   Doesn't meant that's their only purpose.

Our location in the galaxy places us in the ideal location to see the universe, hence to see God's glory in all he made.  The end purpose of all things is to glorify God.  That is why we were made.

 

 

I didn't disagree that all of creation was intended to reveal His Glory.    However, trees have other purposes, like turning Carbon Dioxide into Oxygen.  Oxygen's purpose (one of many) is to sustain us.  Dirt supports the trees and other vegetation, which feeds the animals...need I go on?

 

I don't see the problem with suggesting that distant planets (that we can't even see, by the way) might possibly have another purpose. 

 

 

 

I really don't see how you could know that for sure.  Your guess is just as good as mine. :)

I am not guessing at all.  I don't have to.  We serve an all-knowing God who made a universe and planet perfect for our survival.  He thought of everything and it was perfect the first day it was made.   He made it fully capable of handling what it needs to handle   Had things turned out differently, had man not sinned, God would have had this planet prepared for that eventuality as well.  How does one even suggest that to be guesswork.  I guess you just have to know Him.

 

Bible verses or it didn't happen. :D

 

Otherwise it's purely speculation.  But, you know what, there is nothing wrong with a little speculation. :)

 

IMHO, I think God had both possibilities planned for in this creation.  As in, creation as it was in the beginning was good for both scenarios. 

 

 

 

Um...what exactly was the point of this other than belittling my opinion?

You claimed that I suggested that the previous earth wasn't good enough which I never said.  You said your response was "food for thought."   And it wasn't.  It was rather poor theology and  a misrepresentation of what I said.

 

Thanks for clarifying.  My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

Why didn't you just say that instead of belittling my opinion?

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You know it's fiction, right?  As in 'not true'.  Like most fiction, there's a deeper meaning below the surface.

 

But the worldview in which they couch the story is based on humanism.  it's a lesson in humanism in the form of entertainment.  That is especially true with Star Trek TNG.

 

I didn't disagree that all of creation was intended to reveal His Glory.    However, trees have other purposes, like turning Carbon Dioxide into Oxygen.  Oxygen's purpose (one of many) is to sustain us.  Dirt supports the trees and other vegetation, which feeds the animals...need I go on?

 

But all of that serves the purpose of glorifying God by revealing the mind and the power and the genius of an all-knowing Creator.  All of the universe was designed to glorify God.  It has no other purpose.  The chief end of everything God made it glorify Him and it does so in being exactly what He created it to be and doing what He created it to do.  It's not the case that they glorify God and also do "x, y, z."   They glorify God as they do those things. 

 

I thought you said you went to a Bible college.  You should have known that.

 

Bible verses or it didn't happen. :D

 

Otherwise it's purely speculation.  But, you know what, there is nothing wrong with a little speculation. :)

 

IMHO, I think God had both possibilities planned for in this creation.  As in, creation as it was in the beginning was good for both scenarios.

 

I am not speculating.  You clearly are not theologically equipped to understand what I am talking about.  I am talking about the sovereignty and foreknowledge of God.  God created a planet perfectly suited to us.   How is that something I need to defend to a Christian??? 

 

How could God have two possibilities planned???  That is inconsistent with the fact that God is all-knowing. He knows the future because He is the architect of it.  He knew the future and He made the earth commiserate with that future.  God doesn't need two plans.   I guess that Bible college was rather weak on theology.

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You know it's fiction, right?  As in 'not true'.  Like most fiction, there's a deeper meaning below the surface.

 

But the worldview in which they couch the story is based on humanism.  it's a lesson in humanism in the form of entertainment.  That is especially true with Star Trek TNG.

 

I didn't disagree that all of creation was intended to reveal His Glory.    However, trees have other purposes, like turning Carbon Dioxide into Oxygen.  Oxygen's purpose (one of many) is to sustain us.  Dirt supports the trees and other vegetation, which feeds the animals...need I go on?

 

But all of that serves the purpose of glorifying God by revealing the mind and the power and the genius of an all-knowing Creator.  All of the universe was designed to glorify God.  It has no other purpose.  The chief end of everything God made it glorify Him and it does so in being exactly what He created it to be and doing what He created it to do.  It's not the case that they glorify God and also do "x, y, z."   They glorify God as they do those things. 

 

I thought you said you went to a Bible college.  You should have known that.

 

Bible verses or it didn't happen. :D

 

Otherwise it's purely speculation.  But, you know what, there is nothing wrong with a little speculation. :)

 

IMHO, I think God had both possibilities planned for in this creation.  As in, creation as it was in the beginning was good for both scenarios.

 

I am not speculating.  You clearly are not theologically equipped to understand what I am talking about.  I am talking about the sovereignty and foreknowledge of God.  God created a planet perfectly suited to us.   How is that something I need to defend to a Christian??? 

 

How could God have two possibilities planned???  That is inconsistent with the fact that God is all-knowing. He knows the future because He is the architect of it.  He knew the future and He made the earth commiserate with that future.  God doesn't need two plans.   I guess that Bible college was rather weak on theology.

 

I think some of your comments are a little rude and condescending. Just sayin'.

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