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Iran leader: We must prep for 'end of times'

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(*) Unfortunately I do not have a sexual affinity for young boys, men nor the desire to milk congregations out of their depleted resources (all prerequisites for license to speak in 'legitimate' denominational churches these days).
I've been told I'm a "loose cannon and will not be allowed to speak to "reasonable people", despite my continued belief that God's sheep still possess the ability to come to their own conclusions - given accurate information.



Well, if that were true of every church, pastor, elder, Jesus would have nuked the bejabbers out of us all a long time ago

There could still be 7000 hiding in the caves.

I think the problem might be because you shoot everyone...you offend some and hurt others The truth of what you
say becomes an offense in its delivery. My brother is like that. He does not know his friends from his enemies anymore
sad to say. He shoots at those who love him

But that's just me singing (yes I can) from the platform with my lyre guitar

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Two thousand years ago, Jesus warned his disciples not to give serious attention to false prophets, especially those WHO CAME IN HIS NAME.


Deception is rampant and at its best/worst in the church. I just do not believe we need to be venomous about it

I'm not offended....just reminding you about I Cor 13...and I don't think I've arrived either

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5773? Sorry, I am pretty ignorant on this topic! LOL!


Bornagain, we were on vacation when you posted this and I just saw it in reviewing the thread.

5773 is the Jewish Calender ear. The Zohar is part of the Jewish Mystic Cabala. Basically it's old Babylonian/Egyptian Mysticism and should not be thought of as scripture from God. The messiah that would be coming this year would, to us, be the Antichrist. While it's interesting to ponder, I wouldn't bet much on it. However just about every old pagan civilization is predicting that their old gods are returning this year. If you've studied that subject, it is really kind of exciting to set back and see what comes along.

Wouldn't bee looking for the Lord just yet, but the great deception is more than a possibility.

And with the polls on our presidential elections in mind, it looks like the US at least is prime for a good deception.

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The really strange thing is the role Turkey is playing in all of this. While they pretend to be neutral, they quietly provide the staging for war with Syria.
Revelation 2:12 states that Pergamun, Turkey is the throne of satan. If the Bible is true, then many devious things will come out of Turkey in days to come. Watch Turkey.
Formerly moderate, Ankara is quietly seeking a leadership role in the middle east.

I believe Turkey is a part of the coalition that attacks Israel in Ezekiel 38, so you may have something there.

However, I'm not sure about the Pergamum correlation? "The throne of Satan" is referring to the Temple of Zeus that was there in the ancient city at the time.

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The really strange thing is the role Turkey is playing in all of this. While they pretend to be neutral, they quietly provide the staging for war with Syria.
Revelation 2:12 states that Pergamun, Turkey is the throne of satan. If the Bible is true, then many devious things will come out of Turkey in days to come. Watch Turkey.
Formerly moderate, Ankara is quietly seeking a leadership role in the middle east.

I believe Turkey is a part of the coalition that attacks Israel in Ezekiel 38, so you may have something there.

However, I'm not sure about the Pergamum correlation? "The throne of Satan" is referring to the Temple of Zeus that was there in the ancient city at the time.


It's in Germany now if I remember right....

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The really strange thing is the role Turkey is playing in all of this. While they pretend to be neutral, they quietly provide the staging for war with Syria.
Revelation 2:12 states that Pergamun, Turkey is the throne of satan. If the Bible is true, then many devious things will come out of Turkey in days to come. Watch Turkey.
Formerly moderate, Ankara is quietly seeking a leadership role in the middle east.

I believe Turkey is a part of the coalition that attacks Israel in Ezekiel 38, so you may have something there.

However, I'm not sure about the Pergamum correlation? "The throne of Satan" is referring to the Temple of Zeus that was there in the ancient city at the time.


It's in Germany now if I remember right....



You remember correctly. I'm impressed. Most folks have no knowledge of this subject at all.

A full sized copy of the outer face or facad of the temple of Pergamun was built in Berlin by Hitler's administration. Not the whole building. Its now a museum I think. Oddly, the structure wasn't damaged by all the WWII bombing and shelling. Everything else was blasted to bits. Strange.

Revelation 2:12 says that Pergamun is the throne of satan. You know that Biblical references to satan indicate that this personality is a living spirit, not stone legend or illusory figure. I can't find any correlation or equivalent in scripture or scholarly interpretations maintained between the pagan religion there and Biblical references to satan.

Such references are indeed made in the old testament - the family of baal gods, for example. I've some very interesting information on the baal family, but that would distract from the current discussion. Suffice it to say that the Bible makes specific references in the O.T., but not about Pergamun.

Pergamun is in Turkey as you are aware. Ankara is the current capital, but for many years it was Instanbul - the capital of the caliphate of the Ottoman Empire.
Before that it was Constantinople - named for the first Christian emperor of the Roman Empire and before that it was called Byzantium. It is truly an ancient city.

When the Roman Empire was divided in the fourth century, Byzantium became the capital of the eastern empire as Rome remained capital of the western empire. History recorded the fall of Rome in 476. Oddly, the history DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE was published in the same year as our nation's birthday 1776. Have our people and politicans paid any attention to the lessons taught in the pages of that book? Apparently not.

The western empire collapsed in the fifth century, BUT the eastern empire continued for centuries. Because its capital was Byzantium, it came to be called the Byzantine Empire, but it was still based on Roman law and tradition. The rise of Islam in the seventh century and encroachment upon the lands and administration of the Byzantine Empire not to mention corruption and incompetance of leadership led to the capture of Constantinople by Mehmed II in the fifteenth century, establishing the Ottoman state there. The Ottoman Empire continued until 1922 when the modern nation of Turkey was established. So you see, the ancient Roman Empire continued in one form or another as a viable political entity and from the same capital city until 1922 - the beginning of the twentieth century. As a result, many in Turkey ardently desire a return to the greatness of leadership of the Islamic nations BY MEANS OF A NEW CALIPHATE.

Biblical references to end times political alignments refer to something resembling a revived Roman Empire. Many western interpretations agree on this point. What is missed, however, is that there is an absolutely HUGE number of Christians from the eastern branches of the faith. The orthodox religions of Russia and Greece are almost invisible when considered by western apologists. In the minds of the western divisions of Christendom the only debate is between Protestantism and Roman Catholicism.

What about the east?

It is as if interpretations have miopic vision. They don't see it at all. Similarly, the eastern Roman empire is invisible too. The history of that section simply isn't taught with as much depth as western history. It's like reading the history of people on another planet.

We have all read arguments that pretend to justify the city of Rome as the choreographer of end times wickedness. Ankara isn't even a consideration, yet the ancient Roman Empire DID continue to exist until very recent modern times. What about that? No one speaks or writes to it. Well, almost no one.

Consider Turkey. This European state is the only one that is actually prospering in the midst of continental corrupt and failed financial policies. The rest of Europe is teetering on the edge of collapse. This includes Italy. If interpretations of Rome as the capital of a revived Roman Empire were correct, then Rome would be prospering. Even Roman religion is shuddering under constant attacks and internal misdeeds. The church of Rome is constantly apologizing for one thing or another - not a strong position to rule its own people much less those of a growing empire. Turkey has an increasingly militant view regarding its insinuations into middle east politics. Like it or not they are assuming a major role there. The wise man will WATCH TURKEY.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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You remember correctly. I'm impressed. Most folks have no knowledge of this subject at all.

Yod has spoken about it (the temple being moved to Germany under Hitler).


I heard a documentary about Pergamum and the temple. Jesus mentioned a man who was martyred there -

Rev. 2:13 - 'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

They explained what occurred in the temple and what records they found. There was a hollow bull that they would sacrifice people in (I had not heard before that human sacrifices occurred with the Roman religion!) by lighting a fire under the bull and cooking the person to death. This is how Antipas was killed. The record states he prayed for the body of believers the whole time up to his death.


Interesting commentary on Turkey there, rjp. More possibilities to chew on.

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It seems like some pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. This would deffinently catagorize as a rumor of war. A nuclear or atomic bomb? That is not a fun way to go. But whatever takes me "home".

That is so crazy! The Jews are saying their messiah is here as well. Wonder if the Jews and Islamics can give any specific names as to who they think their messiah's are? Will the Jews believe that the Islamic messiah is theirs as well?? This whole thing sort of confuses me!

I agree with you this is rumour of war,only i think the word rumour is better rendered 'threats' of war. Iran has been under threat from nuclear powers since 2003, consider how they feel. we had years of llies about saddams WMD which was also another threat of war.they proved to be false to justify war. The retaliation against iran if it did attack israel would be suicidal since NATO, the US and israel with hunfreds of nuclear warheads of their own would destroy it many times over. Iranians are a nation od young people who have a zest for life not death The same religious leader has said nuclear weapons are against their beliefs,so why not believe that also?Nuclear wespons are not the most fearful of moderm weapoms anyway. electro-magnetid science based ones are.Clinton's secretary of defence RUBIN refereed to these in a conderence on terrorosm in 1997, that's some time ago and these new breakthroughs are never allowed out into thye public domain within a decade of issue so people are not frightened by it. nor let the enemy know. It's not a new subjet.it is based alegely upon tesla's breakthroughs. there are two types, one is called Haarp which you can goggle, i cant remember the other off hand, it's an old subject,I think the Nazis were first to start recearching this field which may be why Hitler lost interst in atom bombs.
The masons are aslo waiting for a messiah and that will be tied in withe the new ageers and the 21/12/12 new consciousness etc, then further over we have the jesus and mary family thing tied in with a jewish cult that has had a messiah claim in the past, the jews have has many since jesus' days.
Given the inbalance of nuclear power , can you image iran and russia swooping down upon israel living in 'peace', as Ezekial is allegedly saying? Jews living witout walls! what is that 22'concrete wall?
a grafitti-theatre gift to Palsetinian children so they will stop throwing stones and damaging tanks .ETHiopia is not a satelite of russia either.This was very popular during the Cold war but the prophecy books ended up in the second hand book shops in the eighties.They were going to invade the US as well as Israel.
I recommend for the first line of defence for chritians is a healthy tongue-in-cheek disposition, then common sense followed by scripture unadultrated by popular fads.I suspect the ezekial prophevy relates to the 'king of assyria' that god said he would destroy in the holy land in the end.he represents a demonic prince of great power who is behimd those who have come from thr other side of the flood..Gog and magog for instamce are legendry giants , as before and after the flood, that are guardians of the city of london, the City parade wicker figures of them as part of a traditional parade which the city cliams is not serious, but then the masons are also linked to the city so there is more to it.The 'city' is a city state .the ancient model is a temple-tresury that developed after the flood, the model and secret societies surviving the the flood and eventually become Babylon that survives through the 4 beasts shown to Danial.Bare these basic points in mind and you will be amazed at what starts to emerge if you read widely.

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Just wanted to bump this up a bit. Yesterdays there were repeated calles from Iran for the destruction of Isreal. And Isreal apparently is a preparatory mode for a strike against Iran.
Things could get quite interesting in the next few weeks

Hello 'peacefulwidow, the tipping ponit of war has come and gone like the four seasons year after year. The consequences are diabolocal for any side as well as collapse the world economy. The price to destroy iran as russia is too high, that is the most affordable defence, the only winners of this childish nonsense are the speculators who own the oil bousres and we all pay at the pumps for this senstational reporting,Journalits still refer to the president of iran calling for irael to be wiped of the map, which is total fiction , he never said it at all, two websites published the english trans lation of his speach at the time and the words were not there.we have been subjected to blatant lies for years and christians need to be the ones who expose it for the world in darkness not help keep them in the dark.I reject all the claims that iran will be destroyed or invaded becuse god said through jeremiah49:39 'But it will come about in the lt daysthat i will restore the fortunes of Elam, decalres the lord." Elam is the s.w. of iran where i believe the oil deposits are and the nuclear powerststion is being built.their policy id to sell the oil for foreign currency to deveople the nation and use nucler power for energy. IN verse 38 God said he would destroy out of it the kings and princes, that was fulfilled in 1979 by their revolution against the Zionist stooge the shar. I onfirmed thst with a Iranian journalist the anciant royal line ended then fully for the first time in history. By the same tokin i believe the embargo Also has to fail because god's word cannot fail. Elam was a son of Shem.The Zionists used Saddam Hussein to try and destroy iran in an 8 year warfter the rvolution and failed. then they destroyed iraq through george bush who claimed god called him to presecute war on iraq. One of the goals of the revolution which is quite easy to detect is to prevent the iranian people from becoming decadent like what has happened to the west, I give them credit because we have been blind and well as stupid and they have learnt from our lessons we have yet to recognise. a collapse of the US and the west with it's more likely than the failure of prophecy. i know of of no perophecy that cam protect the US with its capital full of pagan symbols whicch Dan brown used to make a successful novel- The lost symbol. While America has been threatening iran jesus has been appearing to iranians in their dreams and converting them. The first line of verse 38 says"I shall set my throne in elam", do Americans want to pr-empt Iran from becoming Christian by war?The symbols in Washington say yes. food for thought?

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The really strange thing is the role Turkey is playing in all of this. While they pretend to be neutral, they quietly provide the staging for war with Syria.
Revelation 2:12 states that Pergamun, Turkey is the throne of satan. If the Bible is true, then many devious things will come out of Turkey in days to come. Watch Turkey.
Formerly moderate, Ankara is quietly seeking a leadership role in the middle east.

I believe Turkey is a part of the coalition that attacks Israel in Ezekiel 38, so you may have something there.

However, I'm not sure about the Pergamum correlation? "The throne of Satan" is referring to the Temple of Zeus that was there in the ancient city at the time.


It's in Germany now if I remember right....



You remember correctly. I'm impressed. Most folks have no knowledge of this subject at all.

A full sized copy of the outer face or facad of the temple of Pergamun was built in Berlin by Hitler's administration. Not the whole building. Its now a museum I think. Oddly, the structure wasn't damaged by all the WWII bombing and shelling. Everything else was blasted to bits. Strange.

Revelation 2:12 says that Pergamun is the throne of satan. You know that Biblical references to satan indicate that this personality is a living spirit, not stone legend or illusory figure. I can't find any correlation or equivalent in scripture or scholarly interpretations maintained between the pagan religion there and Biblical references to satan.

Such references are indeed made in the old testament - the family of baal gods, for example. I've some very interesting information on the baal family, but that would distract from the current discussion. Suffice it to say that the Bible makes specific references in the O.T., but not about Pergamun.

Pergamun is in Turkey as you are aware. Ankara is the current capital, but for many years it was Instanbul - the capital of the caliphate of the Ottoman Empire.
Before that it was Constantinople - named for the first Christian emperor of the Roman Empire and before that it was called Byzantium. It is truly an ancient city.

When the Roman Empire was divided in the fourth century, Byzantium became the capital of the eastern empire as Rome remained capital of the western empire. History recorded the fall of Rome in 476. Oddly, the history DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE was published in the same year as our nation's birthday 1776. Have our people and politicans paid any attention to the lessons taught in the pages of that book? Apparently not.

The western empire collapsed in the fifth century, BUT the eastern empire continued for centuries. Because its capital was Byzantium, it came to be called the Byzantine Empire, but it was still based on Roman law and tradition. The rise of Islam in the seventh century and encroachment upon the lands and administration of the Byzantine Empire not to mention corruption and incompetance of leadership led to the capture of Constantinople by Mehmed II in the fifteenth century, establishing the Ottoman state there. The Ottoman Empire continued until 1922 when the modern nation of Turkey was established. So you see, the ancient Roman Empire continued in one form or another as a viable political entity and from the same capital city until 1922 - the beginning of the twentieth century. As a result, many in Turkey ardently desire a return to the greatness of leadership of the Islamic nations BY MEANS OF A NEW CALIPHATE.

Biblical references to end times political alignments refer to something resembling a revived Roman Empire. Many western interpretations agree on this point. What is missed, however, is that there is an absolutely HUGE number of Christians from the eastern branches of the faith. The orthodox religions of Russia and Greece are almost invisible when considered by western apologists. In the minds of the western divisions of Christendom the only debate is between Protestantism and Roman Catholicism.

What about the east?

It is as if interpretations have miopic vision. They don't see it at all. Similarly, the eastern Roman empire is invisible too. The history of that section simply isn't taught with as much depth as western history. It's like reading the history of people on another planet.

We have all read arguments that pretend to justify the city of Rome as the choreographer of end times wickedness. Ankara isn't even a consideration, yet the ancient Roman Empire DID continue to exist until very recent modern times. What about that? No one speaks or writes to it. Well, almost no one.

Consider Turkey. This European state is the only one that is actually prospering in the midst of continental corrupt and failed financial policies. The rest of Europe is teetering on the edge of collapse. This includes Italy. If interpretations of Rome as the capital of a revived Roman Empire were correct, then Rome would be prospering. Even Roman religion is shuddering under constant attacks and internal misdeeds. The church of Rome is constantly apologizing for one thing or another - not a strong position to rule its own people much less those of a growing empire. Turkey has an increasingly militant view regarding its insinuations into middle east politics. Like it or not they are assuming a major role there. The wise man will WATCH TURKEY.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

This is a very worthy and topical subject and i commend the comment on the short-sightedness towards the eastern church not being recognised and would like to include those across the Arab world currently being destroyed in the wars seeded and armed from the west, Syria being the current victim, where there is some very significant christian hidtory. Forces are at workchanging facst onthe ground at our expence. i don't however equate Perganum with turkey because it is in the country. perganum was the seat o f satan becuse the crown of the king of Babylon wa taken there after the fall to the medes an persians. That triple tiered crown was later taken to Rome and today is the popes crown which is where their blasphemous claim of being king of the world temporal and spiritual comes from. That bablylonian preisthood and the crown were rerest in pergnum when John wrote.The Wahingtom dome is also a salute to zeus, Dr Horn in his book Apollyon Arising covers this and links it to rome which washington is modelled on. Washington was originlly called rome.Obama made some very pointed vidits in Germany prior to his first election and i believe it inclued the nazi portal/stargate, as it probbly was seen as to them. he did it openly so there was no response, same withe the re-swearing in was done without the bible, no response, knock knock anyone at home? Turkey does desire to restore past glory as saddam hussein in rebuiling Babylons great creations.But there appears to be a pecking order and the Bishop of rome rejected Constantinople as their head. Rome has 180 ambassadors offices , how many has turkey got and who has kept turkey out of the union but kept in NATO.to use. the Zionists could turn Turkey into dog meat tomorrow by unleashing the kurds, I suspect they are doing the dirty on Syria to buy credits in the game. Jewish muslims have controlled Turkey since the 'young turks'. The church will be the losers in all the upheavals along with other minorities. this is so easy with the christians world not recognised outside those who speak English. Ask them if there is to be a tribulation and when does it start. Turkey refuses to acknowledge the genocide ofArmenian christians a century ago who were largely the Apostolic church, it's like the west can only sympathise with jews not christians.Histoy shows that there is a price for neglect and self satisfaction as the people of Sodom found out.Fifty five US Churches signed a petition of non suppoort of george bushe's foreign policy at a brazilian intrnational meeing severl years ago, so it's not all bad. how do we compete with lies an peopaganda beamed into everyones home s every day 7 days a week, I cant watch it because it mkes me furious,epecially when three highly paid people disect all the issues and dumb it all down.Intelligence and conscience collapse under the overload.But that i just me whistling out of my letterbox.

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If anyone is interested ... a really good book on the Islamic threat is;

THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST
by Joel Richardson

and

THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT GUIDE TO ISLAM (and the crusades)
by Robert Spencer

The 'guide' is a NY Times best seller.

There are a number of really good works on the shelves now which relate an accurate history of the Crusades, including Islamic aggression throughout its sordid history. I believe its a good idea to read up on this stuff and to be well informed on this part of non-western history that's often neglected in formal education these days.

Militant atheists and Muslims alike seem to be quite good at twisting the truth. The onus is on every thinking person to be well informed.
Current TV presentations of Jeopardy and MTV do not qualify as legitimate sources of information. In fact, I'm even beginning to doubt some of the stuff that's put out by the History channel. I've caught them several times making deliberate mistakes.

"Know your enemy."
- Sun Tzu

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited by rjp34652, 02 January 2013 - 06:10 PM.





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