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The Glory of earning it.

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The glory of earning it. (w.Glyn Evans

 

I must settle once and for all the difference between my right and my privileges. To be called a "son of God" is my right (1 John 1:12) but the expression of that sonship is a privileges that I must earn

 

Even Jesus,the eternal Son of God,had to earn a better name then the angels (Hebrews 4 1:4)

 

Sonship with God come to me when I express faith in Jesus Christ,but the glory of my sonship comes to me only when I am faithful  to my calling.

 

How I love the "overwhelming" of Revelations 2 and 3 :To him who overcomes ,said Jesus to His followers ,I will give ......

 

What wonderful things He grants or bestows on ,His servants,the tree of life ,hidden manna ,power over nations,open praise,a new name,and a throne of glory .

 

And yet each of these is not given unconditionally,it is bestowed on me as I overcome. The overcomes earns the privilege,and unless he does indeed earn

it,none of it will be given,even through he is a son of God.

 

That is what I read about Jesus.

 

Therefore....God highly exalted Him,and bestowed on Him the name which is above every other name. (Phill 2:9 )

 

The glory that Jesus earns now is earned glory,a glory that the Father bestowed on Him only after He made Himself on no reputation,took upon Himself the form of a servant ,became a man,and obeyed even to the cross.

 

So it must be with me.

 

My sonship with  God is merely the seed out  of which I am to reap a harvest of dedicated discipleship ,the result of which will be rewards,recognition ,honor and praise.

 

God forbid that it should ever be said of me he did not live up to his birth promise !

 

Rather ,by Gods help ,may I hear Him say "I have counted you worthy of the kingdom ( 2Thess.1 :5 . I am in the Kingdom by grace .

 

I am worthy of the kingdom by obedient sonship."

 

"Althrough He was a Son,He learned obedience from the things which He suffered" (Hebrews 5:8) 

 

 

 


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To be counted worthy is also by God's grace. Only He is worthy, and that is why we will cast our crowns at the feet of Jesus, the Lamb of God. God enables us both to will and to do His good pleasure. He will give us grace to endure what we must endure.
We are told that he who endures to the end shall be saved. That means that those who are apostates and fall away during the end times will not be saved. But Jesus kept all that the Father gave Him in John, and He continues to keep His own who are fully committed to Him as their Lord and Savior.
So I fail to understand this post very well. I don't see that I will ever be counted worthy of anything but for the grace of God. There will be nothing for me to boast about. I will owe it all to Jesus.

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Wiilamina,something went wrong with the post I posted sorry..........I will go over it again!



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To be counted worthy is also by God's grace. Only He is worthy, and that is why we will cast our crowns at the feet of Jesus, the Lamb of God. God enables us both to will and to do His good pleasure. He will give us grace to endure what we must endure.
We are told that he who endures to the end shall be saved. That means that those who are apostates and fall away during the end times will not be saved. But Jesus kept all that the Father gave Him in John, and He continues to keep His own who are fully committed to Him as their Lord and Savior.
So I fail to understand this post very well. I don't see that I will ever be counted worthy of anything but for the grace of God. There will be nothing for me to boast about. I will owe it all to Jesus.

Amen..I completely agree,it's only by Gods grace we will see the Kingdom and reap rewards,the rewards we get will depend on our life on earth.

Only God knows who are really born again,if you are really born again you do want to follow Jesus -

It is only through Jesus death and by believing He died for us that God will say "I have counted you worthy of the Kingdom of God.

 

What a day that be be ,when my Jesus  I shall see!



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Blessings Angels & to you also,Willa!

   I heard a beautiful sermon this morning about being counted as Worthy......I was half asleep & thought I was dreaming the wonderful Word I was hearing ,only to wake up & realize that it was the television-LOl    It is not that we have never heard it before but the way in which it was said was refreshing...lets see if I can share this with you & bring you the joy that I have this early morning?

    In the Old Testament when the people would err & wanted to be freed from their sins & receive forgiveness they would make a sacrifice to the Lord.They would pick out the very best lamb from their flocks,they looked for the lamb that had no defect,no imperfection,no spots,no blemish...the perfect lamb.They would then bring that lamb to the high priest for inspection,the high priest would closely examine that lamb to make sure it was perfect...less than perfect would not be an acceptable sacrifice to present to God.The high priests did not question the person who brought the sacrificial lamb (the sinner) he did not cross examine this person & ask if he truly sought forgiveness if he really had a repentant heart,he only looked at the perfect lamb to be sure it was worthy to be sacrificed.

      When we confess that Jesus is our Lord & Savior,He is that perfect Lamb.....We can stand before God and the only thing God sees is The Worthy Sacrifice,without spot,without defect or blemish,acceptable,approved...The Perfect Lamb!So if ever you may feel not worthy,not approved by the weight of sin condemnation....just be reminded that you are counted as righteous,pleasing & acceptable by God because of the Worthy Lamb Of God..........Holy,Holy,Holy,Hosannah in the Highest!

                                                                                                                                                   With love,in Christ-Kwik



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Amen this is what it is all about to praise God for so much grace and we shall praise Him !

We serve a Holy God full who loves sinners like you and me and the whole world.for whosoever comes...

 

Holy,Holy,Holy,Hosannah in the Highest!

 

 

And whosoever comes let Him take the water of life freely Rev.22:17 :)

 

 

Jesus said :It's free and why are there so many people who don't want to drink of this water? It's the best water availibe  !

 

But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”



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Yes!!! Amen!!!! :) God is SO WORTHY TO BE PRAISED as he is GOOD!!!!



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glorify God in everything we say, think, and do.... always dangers and difficulties ahead but as a christian with right focus on God's will and not my own to press onward and upward.



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So I don't understand this fully, but do you mean christians are needing to earn certain aspects or things from god? how? and in what way?  Maybe Im not understanding the post properly.

 

ps, you're in canada? nice! canucks unite!!



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So I don't understand this fully, but do you mean christians are needing to earn certain aspects or things from god? how? and in what way?  Maybe Im not understanding the post properly.
 
ps, you're in canada? nice! canucks unite!!


The only people who are counted worthy by God are those who have received Jesus Christ into their lives. They have repented of their sins and lean wholy on the perfection of Jesus, who is totally sinless; when He went to the cross and took our imperfection and sin on Himself, he paid for our ransom by dying in our place. But he bestowed His perfect righteousness on us, which is placed on our account. So God finds us to be righteous because of what Jesus has done. We are then born again of and sealed by the Holly Spirit; God writes our names in the Lamb's book of life. Nothing we can do will earn or add to our salvation. But we do want to bring glory to His name by living a life worthy of our calling. We give our lives to Him. We read His word daily so that we can grow to think about things the way God does. Slowly we learn to act more like Jesus, to love like He does and to forgive the way He does.

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What I think.

God chooses us apart from anything we do in life, to eternal life. Those He has chosen reciprocate and choose to follow Him. In this transaction, lies our salvation, our sonship, and all who have this right to be called sons (or children to be politically correct)of God, will enter into Heaven justified. That means that we have right standing before God, our place in Heaven was earned by Jesus for us.

Between that point where we have become aware of our new life, our born again status, we are being conformed to the image of God's Son, Jesus, the perfect man. This stage is called sanctification, and means that we have been set apart for God's purposes. It is a stage of growth, were we in increasing measure, produce the ninefold fruit of the Spirit, and in our actions, do the works that God has planned for us to do.

Because we still have our old sin nature, we have an ongoing battle with our own flesh, but the Spirit is in us, encouraging, convicting, and enabling us to do better. Some succeed more than others, while other cling to the temptation of the flesh, and rebel.

All believers get certain benefits in the after life, as coheirs with Christ, none of that is earned by us. To those who overcome the world and the flesh to a greater degree, those who live more holy and selfless lives, lives of sacrifical giving and love of others, I believe will have additional rewards.

I would hesitate however, to say that we earned them, since even in that prosess of sanctification, the desire to do good, the knowledge of what to do, the power to resist temptation etc, all come from God. So personally, I don't think there is any glory in earning it, only glory to God for His merciful and loving gifts.

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What I think.
All believers get certain benefits in the after life, as coheirs with Christ, none of that is earned by us.

What do you do with the Judgment Seat of Christ unto believers and Paul's expectation of running the race for
reward?

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So I don't understand this fully, but do you mean christians are needing to earn certain aspects or things from god? how? and in what way?  Maybe Im not understanding the post properly.
 
ps, you're in canada? nice! canucks unite!!

In John 15 Jesus refers to himself as a vine and we are the branches which produce fruit. Unfortunately christians do not like to leave the church, therefor do not produce fruit. It is about giving yourself to your community be it physically or monetarily. Galatians 6:2, says "bear one another's burdens", but Jesus always sent his deciples out in two's and proper guidance is neccesary for de4aling with poverty, churches do not deal with local poverty well.
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Edited by OneLight, 23 December 2013 - 10:44 AM.
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So I don't understand this fully, but do you mean christians are needing to earn certain aspects or things from god? how? and in what way?  Maybe Im not understanding the post properly.
 
ps, you're in canada? nice! canucks unite!!

In John 15 Jesus refers to himself as a vine and we are the branches which produce fruit. Unfortunately christians do not like to leave the church, therefor do not produce fruit. It is about giving yourself to your community be it physically or monetarily. Galatians 6:2, says "bear one another's burdens", but Jesus always sent his deciples out in two's and proper guidance is neccesary for de4aling with poverty, churches do not deal with local poverty well.
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I see Jesus speaking to each individual to love their neighbor as themselves. To help our neighbor is our personal responsibility. The responsibility does not rest only on the church, where the church is the organized body that maintains the structure that one gathers to worship. By people passing on the responsibility to the "church", which is not based in scripture, we limit the amount of people who are reached and try to hide behind the idea that "I supported this or that project, I did my part." justification, which will not fly when Jesus asks what you have done for the least of these.

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What I think.
All believers get certain benefits in the after life, as coheirs with Christ, none of that is earned by us.

What do you do with the Judgment Seat of Christ unto believers and Paul's expectation of running the race for
reward?


Actually, I do not think Christians properly 'run the race' for the rewards, nor do we do so for salavion. Salvation is a totally done deal, believers were redeemed at the cross, or in another sense, chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. I beleive our works are judged at the Bema, and the bad ones are burned up, the good ones survive. I think that it is possible for us to work, motivated by rewards, but our real reward is salvation and eternity with God, and our real motivation is the overwhelming gratitude and love we have for our saviour, both as our creator and redeemer.

I do beleive we will suffer some sort of loss for our bad works, but I have no idea of the nature of the rewards or the losses.

12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

This article looks pretty informative: https://bible.org/ar...eat-bema-christ

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What I think.
All believers get certain benefits in the after life, as coheirs with Christ, none of that is earned by us.

What do you do with the Judgment Seat of Christ unto believers and Paul's expectation of running the race for
reward?


Actually, I do not think Christians properly 'run the race' for the rewards, nor do we do so for salavion. Salvation is a totally done deal, believers were redeemed at the cross, or in another sense, chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. I beleive our works are judged at the Bema, and the bad ones are burned up, the good ones survive. I think that it is possible for us to work, motivated by rewards, but our real reward is salvation and eternity with God, and our real motivation is the overwhelming gratitude and love we have for our saviour, both as our creator and redeemer.

I do beleive we will suffer some sort of loss for our bad works, but I have no idea of the nature of the rewards or the losses.

12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

This article looks pretty informative: https://bible.org/ar...eat-bema-christ

Thank you for the article! I agree with you but with addition:
I see reward as purpose for why we remain here after New Birth. As this gives us motive in
all that we do, yet not to receive for self but to engage in that which will enable us to have
objective substance spiritually to add to Him Who 'IS' worthy to receive all... leaving a perfect
living possible by consumption of this purpose of 100% focus YET we do not because of sin in us Rom 7.
The Judgment seat is to receive in us the things done in this regard so that we in perfection will
give back to Him the result of that which we are - signed sealed and delivered as His Bride from God
The Father... Love, Steven

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Thanks for the input on that



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I thank the Lord that I'm saved by grace!!

 

There is absolutely nothing I can do to save myself,but because I'm so thankful that Jesus saved me !

 

2 Cor  5:10:

For all of us must appear before the judgement seat of Christ, so that each may receive recompense for what has been done in the body, whether good or evil.

 

Each one will receive His own reward ACCORDING TO HIS OWN LABOR.” (1 Corinthians 3:8)
 

 

1. THE INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN:     (I Corinthians 9:25).  25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air.27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

2. THE CROWN OF REJOICING:     (I Thessalonians. 2:19).  19 For who is our hope or joy or crown of exultation? Is it not even you, in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His [a]coming?

3. THE CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS:     (II Timothy 4:8).  This crown will be given for those who love His appearing and who live their lives anticipating Christ's soon return.

4. THE CROWN OF GLORY:     (I Peter 5:4).  And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading [a]crown of glory.

5. THE CROWN OF LIFE:     (Revelation 2:10).  10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days.[a]Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

         

 

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Problem is, there is no way for you to earn it.



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Problem is, there is no way for you to earn it.

1) The Imperishable Crown – (1 Corinthians 9:24-25) “Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate [disciplined] in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown” (NKJV). All things on this earth are subject to decay and will perish. Jesus urges us to not store our treasures on earth “where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal” (Matthew 6:19). This is analogous to what Paul was saying about that wreath of leaves that was soon to turn brittle and fall apart. But not so the heavenly crown; faithful endurance wins a heavenly reward which is “an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you” (1 Peter 1:3-5).

2) The Crown of Rejoicing – (1 Thessalonians 2:19) “For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Is it not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?” The apostle Paul tells us in Philippians 4:4 to “rejoice always in the Lord” for all the bountiful blessings our gracious God has showered upon us. As Christians we have more in this life to rejoice about than anyone else. Luke tells us there is rejoicing even now in heaven (Luke 15:7). The crown of rejoicing will be our reward where “God will wipe away every tear . . . there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away” (Revelation 21:4).

3) The Crown of Righteousness – (2 Timothy 4:8) “Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.” We inherit this crown through the righteousness of Christ which is what gives us a right to it, and without which it cannot be obtained. Because it is obtained and possessed in a righteous way, and not by force and deceit as earthly crowns sometimes are, it is an everlasting crown, promised to all who love the Lord and eagerly wait for His return. Through our enduring the discouragements, persecutions, sufferings, or even death, we know assuredly our reward is with Christ in eternity (Philippians 3:20). This crown is not for those who depend upon their own sense of righteousness or of their own works. Such an attitude breeds only arrogance and pride, not a longing, a fervent desire to be with the Lord.

4) The Crown of Glory – (1 Peter 5:4) “And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.” Though Peter is addressing the elders, we must also remember that the crown will be awarded to all those who long for or love His appearing. This word “glory” is an interesting word referring to the very nature of God and His actions. It entails His great splendor and brightness. Recall Stephen who, while being stoned to death, was able to look into the heavens and see the glory of God (Acts 7:55-56). This word also means that the praise and honor we bestow to God alone is due Him because of who He is (Isaiah 42:8, 48:11; Galatians 1:5). It also recognizes that believers are incredibly blessed to enter into the kingdom, into the very likeness of Christ Himself. For as Paul so eloquently put it, “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us” (Romans 8:18 NKJV).

5) The Crown of Life – (Revelation 2:10) “Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.” This crown is for all believers, but is especially dear to those who endure sufferings, who bravely confront persecution for Jesus, even to the point of death. In Scripture the word “life” is often used to show a relationship that is right with God. It was Jesus who said, “I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly” (John 10:10). Just as things such as air, food, and water are vital for our physical lives, Jesus provides us what is required for our spiritual lives. He is the One who provides “living water.” He is the “bread of life” (John 4:10, 6:35). We know that our earthly lives will end. But we have the amazing promise that comes only to those who come to God through Jesus: “And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life” (1 John 2:25).

 





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